2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA tale of two rallies -- who has the passion on their side?
http://usuncut.com/news/how-tonights-bernie-sanders-rally-compared-to-hillary-clintons/"Judging by the size of her rally compared to MSUs Bernie Sanders rally, Hillary Clintons campaign is struggling to maintain enthusiasm despite her Super Tuesday win, with several sources in the media pointing out the key demographic problems in her wins thus far and how it could prove trouble in the general election should she score the nomination. In the meantime, more people seem to be feeling the Bern in the critical primary state of Michigan, which votes in six days, than in Hillary Clintons home state."
hack89
(39,171 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)there is no reason to believe it is going to change significantly.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)They are manipulating you. Heres Hillary in NY.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)US uncut just showed a view from further back. Clearly there were a couple thousand there, but she wasn't filling the stadium.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)errrr.... wait. What?
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I really challenge you to demonstrate that HRC's based is composed entirely of 1%ers.
Good luck.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Drums up enormous enthusiasm and draws bigger crowds. It isn't recognized at the ballot box either. Hasn't actual voting told you anything about Sanders very real enthusiasm? It has very little depth in numbers. That is not dismissing the enthusiasm itself. I would actually venture to say that the small amount of unbridled enthusiasm is what is currently holding him back.
The message of many of these enthusiastic individuals often doesn't even come close to Sanders message and borders more on enthusiastic offensiveness.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The candidate whose fans scream the loudest is the winner.
"And the winner is .... The Seattle Seahawks!!!"
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)And do check out the photo of the Bernie rally--an awesome crowd, as usual!
Bernie Sanders Sweeps to Victory in 4 Super Tuesday States
Tom Cahill | March 2, 2016
http://usuncut.com/news/sanders-wins-4-super-tuesday-states/
(Contains some really interesting stats on Sanders' wins on Tuesday, and on his wins with his core constituencies in the states that he lost; no win/loss actually, as even a state he lost gives him delegates. He captured the youth vote by 24 pts in Clinton's home state of AK, for instance. MN and CO were both big wins for Sanders, by 18 pts and 20 pts, much higher than expected.)
Comments were also interesting--here's one:
Daniel Boggs · Tigard, Oregon
...Bernie swept all the states that are important for him. He was always going to lose the southern states, that was part of his expectation. The only exception is the loss in Mass, but it was a slim margin, and he made up for it by larger than expected margins in the rest of the states. Its certainly not over (in either direction); Hillary only holds a very small lead (relatively speaking) with pledged delegates which are the only ones that are important at this point. All this going into the states where Bernie has the advantage. This is chess, not checkers, you can't look at just the raw numbers and get the whole picture.--from the above url
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How Hillary Clintons Super Tuesday Win Relied on Dismal Voter Turnout
Amanda Girard | March 2, 2016
http://usuncut.com/politics/this-is-the-biggest-super-tuesday-story-no-one-is-talking-about/
(Also has interesting stats. For instance, for the most part, wherever Clinton won, turnout was way down from 2008, and wherever Sanders won, turnout was up.)
...Hillary Clinton succeeds the most when voter turnout is the lowest. Sanders wins when turnout is highest. This is all common knowledge, of course, but think about the implication of all this in the general election.
Meanwhile, the Republicans are seeing a massive spike in voter turnout when comparing this Super Tuesday to 2008.--from the above url
It seems to me that the recent (and past February) national match-up polls are quite important in this context of turnout. Also, the honest & integrity polls. Sanders beats Trump by 12 pts. in the latest one; Clinton beats Trump by 8 pts, and Clinton loses to Cruz and Rubio, whereas Sanders beats all Republicans. Sanders' truthworthiness (honesty & integrity) is a whopping 60%, better than anybody. Clinton, on the other hand, has untrustworthiness of 54%! That is an enormous gap, favoring Sanders as the best candidate for the GE.