Hillary campaign is trying to split Bernie supporters.

[Avalux]

Divide and conquer.

If Hillary gets the nomination she will absolutely need at least a good bit of us to vote for her since her turnout is dismal thus far.

What better way to do that? Plant stories about Bernie supporters harassing Liz Warren, then plant stories claiming that Bernie supporters are fighting among each other over this.

It's a stupidly transparent tactic, but frankly I can't blame them for trying it, they have nothing else. They certainly can't influence Bernie supporters on the issues.

What they don't understand? It's not going to work.

I for one am fed up with the expectation that I would fall in line behind Hillary, like a good little minion, after being maligned and discounted.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. I'm with you on this!

Especially your last line!

[Avalux]

4. Thank you!

I'm going to have a hard time depending on how this shakes out....do I go against my principles? Existential crisis I'm having; how would I bring myself to vote for a corrupt person to make sure the other corrupt person doesn't win?

[haikugal]

6. .

[Armstead]

9. Vote for the least corrupt I guess

The "lesser evil" argument we always seem to get

[platitudipus]

94. Voting for the lesser evil is becoming the status quo.

The DNC and Hillary want us to do it JUST one more time! And when she gets in, she will fix the system...not buying it, not this guy. It may be a bitter pill to swallow, but this country needs a wake up call. Maybe the fear of The Donald coming into power is what the doctor ordered. Bernie has changed politics in this country and I will do my part not to participate in the old status quo.

[Betty Karlson]

26. And you are far from the only one.

:wave

[daleanime]

34. +1

[chknltl]

41. +1

[MissDeeds]

64. Me too

I'm with Bernie all the way.

[dana_b]

92. me too, Peggy

signed - Dana (from California!)

[djean111]

2. There is LITERALLY NOTHING Hillary and/or supporters can spew that would keep me from

supporting Bernie. Nothing whatsoever.

[Avalux]

5. Bravo!

I feel the same way. We have built a movement and they know it (no matter what they say). We have to keep it going even if Bernie doesn't win the nomination.

[Art_from_Ark]

102. I've already cast one vote for Bernie

I'm looking forward to being able to cast a second vote for him.

[RufusTFirefly]

3. Yup. Despicable stuff.

But SOP.
Just ask anyone with a decent memory of 2008.

[Avalux]

11. I remember.

Hillary hasn't changed one iota. Every time I hear her say "love and kindness" I want to pull all my hair out.

[Svafa]

68. I just can't get my head around

the fact that so many people who supported Obama in '08 are so on board with Clinton this time around. Are their memories really that bad?

[SammyWinstonJack]

78. Especially after all the nasty stuff they said about her, worse than

what's being said presently. Yeah bad memories or they dislike Bernie that much.

[RufusTFirefly]

80. Media "influencers" seek to obscure or reframe those memories

For example, the fact that the President appointed Clinton as SoS is often used to suggest that he has buried the hatchet and that we should, too.

Unfortunately, this shows a certain naïveté about the horse trading that's often involved in the political process.

I believe LBJ said it best: "It's better to have your enemy inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in."

[INdemo]

93. Why are African Americans voting for Hillary?

I dont understand. Hillary has done more to hurt the African Americans than anyone...starting in the 90's with her Welfare reform and cutting people off leaving hungry children in her wake.

I challenge anyone to list 5 things that Hillary has done over the last 25 year to help African Americans that would give them any advantages and cause to vote for her.
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[grasswire]

99. and if we ask that question here on DU, we get hammered. nt

[Jefferson23]

7. There is a reason why her trustworthy factor is so low, and if they're doing this it will not work.

Her ties to WS, her hawk approach to foreign polices is only the beginning why
she is unacceptable for Sanders supporters in the primary.

[artislife]

8. As if her career wasn't bad enough

But her campaigning is off the charts.


This is a sad time for America, that is for sure.

[amborin]

10. I and my family and millions of others are with you!

[Avalux]

18. We truly are a progressive movement!

It didn't start with Bernie, but he's brought us together and expanded our ranks. No matter what happens, we must carry it forward and not allow our detractors to stop us.

[amborin]

111. Absolutely! To the convention, and beyond!

[Kittycat]

126. +1

[sufrommich]

12. This is pure paranoia.

It also is an attempt to blame the Clinton campaign for Bernie supporters bad behavior.

[Avalux]

15. I'm sorry you feel that way.

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the way your candidate conducts herself while campaigning.

[sufrommich]

21. Link to any proof that Clinton is secretly behind the

bad behavior of Sanders supporters. This is just silly.

[bettyellen]

51. seen too many Sanders supporters retweeting and posting RW propaganda- unchallenged here...

for those at DU not to own it.

[Svafa]

71. Because the "Bernie bros" myth would give us no reason to wonder

if something nefarious was up yet again?

[RiverNoord]

82. I saw the title and thought to myself 'um... Duh?'

Of course Sec. Clinton's campaign would like to disrupt support for Bernie Sanders. It's kind of... rudimentary politics? That basic premise isn't paranoia, it's, well, not exactly worth even mentioning, since it's to be expected of all candidates for public office.

And I didn't read the content. So, if there's some far-flung stuff in that, maybe there's something to what you say. But, well, in a tight political contest where the Presidency of the United States may be at stake, it's hardly a revelation that candidates' campaigns examine and implement initiatives aimed at reducing support for opponents.

[fun n serious]

119. If all else fails blame Hillary or Obama. nt

This is the 12th OP about this today.

[fredamae]

13. Dumbest Strategy Ever in 2016 n/t

[AgingAmerican]

14. She has abandoned issues as the basis of her campaign

Now it's all about drama and negativity.

Hillary/DWS have ruined the Democratic party's chances of retaining the White House this fall.

[HooptieWagon]

16. Since Brock set up a highly-funded PAC,...

...coordinating directly with the Zclinton campaign, specifically for the purpose of online psy-ops, I'm fairly certain that's the vast majority of trolling being done. Sanders supporters have better things to do with our time.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. I'm not fighting with anyone. Just as I'm not voting for Hillary.

Ironically, those who demand we vote for her call us "purists".

However, some of us believe that our votes belong to us to do with as we please. Rather than to any candidate or label.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche

[Avalux]

20. Brilliant quote!

I believe Bernie has lived this way and why I admire and trust him. I am struggling with the individual vs. the tribe argument, I think the individual will win out. I can't compromise myself.

[fun n serious]

24. Cool. That is your right, nt.

I haven't seen anyone trying to force you to vote for Hillary.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. Here's another apt one in this election.

“A public man has no right to let his actions be determined by particular interests. He does the same thing as a judge who accepts a bribe. Like a judge he must consider what is right, not what is advantageous to a party or class.” Lord Acton

[snowy owl]

73. Posts like yours give me hope

Perhaps one day there will be enough of us to make a difference. I really thought Bernie's honesty, history of doing the right thing, and the number of smart, public supporters he has would make a bigger difference. I guess too many people simply don't know the facts and mainstream media sure isn't giving it to them.

[aquart]

87. Uh huh. Spoiled brats, not Democrats.

[gwheezie]

19. I don't understand what you're worked up about

The way I read your post, you believe Hillary flooded warrens social media pretending to be Bernie supporters begging for her support but really it was Hillary counting on Warren doing the opposite? Huh? That is some story.

[brooklynite]

22. "Plant stories about Bernie supporters harassing Liz Warren....."

So the Clinton campaign is posting the harrassing messages that aren't being posted.

Thanks for clearing that up...

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

100. Yes seriously

What else can I say?

[fun n serious]

23. Nope. What is being reported is true

Elizabeth Warren had 28,000 Bernie supporters commenting and demanding an endorsement on her facebook page, many more on her twitter. Hillary campaign had nothing to do with that. Y'all did. No one is expecting you to vote for Hillary and no one can tell you how to vote. Vote how you please but post like these have been common.. "If I don't get what I want ( Bernie) I'm not going to vote." OK. That's your right. In my honest opinion repeatedly announcing you won't vote for Hillary is a threat for US Hillary supporters to vote for Bernie or fear a Trump presidency. I'm not worried. Historically people under 30 have voiced their opinion loud and clear but come time to vote they're MIA, sadly. Also, there are a lot of Indy Bernie supporters who never intended to vote for a democrat. I for one do not expect or count on your vote. We will fight for a democrat victory and we'll be OK.

[Avalux]

25. Can you prove that "28,000" were Bernie supporters?

I didn't think so.

Thanks for your opinion, and I hope for your sake that if it's Hillary vs. Trump, she and her supporters will be able to carry their own water. You're right that young people won't vote for her; neither will Indies or Republicans.

[fun n serious]

28. They stated they were Bernie supporters. nt

[Avalux]

30. They could be anyone. n/t

[fun n serious]

37. Here is your proof.

Read the whole thread.

It's people HERE doing this FEB 20th before super Tuesday...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511286752

[Avalux]

44. Posts on DU are not proof of 28,000 people directly contacting Warren. n/t

[fun n serious]

46. Keep reading. There are post calling Bernie supporters to do just that. nt

[TheFarS1de]

98. Did'nt Hillary purchase a whole heap of followers ?

Maybe she has broadened the social horizon .

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

101. I don't know

I'm still waiting for my George Soros check. You mean Hillary gives out free money too?

[HooptieWagon]

106. I get emails from Nigerian Princes.

You mean they really are?

[Kittycat]

127. Princes! Lucky you. I just get calls from Windows repair :(

And I use a Mac.

[w4rma]

27. Its especially stupid because Sanders supporters tend to be pretty inoculated against propaganda.

So shoveling more propaganda at us just serves to piss us off in an equally and proportional amount.

[Avalux]

29. ^^This!^^

Like I said, it won't work on us.

[marions ghost]

89. yep

[KingFlorez]

31. Sanders supporters don't like losing or not getting endorsements

I find it hard to believe that every single person who criticized Elizabeth Warren for not endorsing Sanders is a Clinton campaign plant.

[fun n serious]

40. They are HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511286752

[CoffeeCat]

33. No Bernie supporter buys the whole Warren-Facebook page lie

The good news is that the Bernie demographic opted out of MSM years ago. They get their news online and they communicate and share political discourse online. All of this online sharing has led to the revelation that many games are being played and the Clinton/Rovian bullshit it at its peak.

This has been going on for a while now. We saw this when HRC ran against Obama. They tried to do the same thing.

No one--and I mean no one--believes that Bernie supporters "attacked" Elizabeth Warren's Facebook page. We're a tight-knit community--connected by Reddit and plenty of online sources.

It's just bunk that no Bernie supporter believes. Clinton has 69 percent untrustworthy numbers for a reason. We all lived through the Obama/HRC primary. We all know the lows that they will sink.

The only people who are hand wringing over this are the Clinton supporters who are hoping, hoping, hoping that this gains traction.

I spent a great deal of time with Bernie supporters in Iowa. I met thousands from all over the country. The bond is unshakable. As for voting for HRC--some will, some won't. That's just a fact. And maybe HRC and her supporters should have thought of that a long, long time ago.

Do you really think they care though? Based on how they've behaved, I assumed they had written off the "BernieBros" (as the like to call us).

[Avalux]

47. I don't think they care. They'd prefer us to just drop off the face of the earth.

That doesn't change the fact that our votes are needed.

[CoffeeCat]

65. I don't think our votes are needed or wanted

I sincerely believe that they have written us off.

I think they think they're going to win the nomination. And I think they're attempting to cobble together a constituency that does not include true Progressives or the base of the party.

I mean, Bill Clinton engaged in the name calling and said that we were sexist in a very public attack. We've been called racist. They're attempting to divide our party and suggest that Hillary cares about people of color, but Bernie doesn't.

Bill Clinton's bullhorn was nothing but a big FU to all Bernie supporters.

Look at what Debbie Wasserman Schultz did to Elizabeth Warren. She co-wrote legislation that would gut Elizabeth's payday lender reforms that EW has worked hard on for years. DWS is furiously working Capitol Hill to ensure that EW's regulations go down in flames. Payback for failing to endorse Clinton.

Obama has endorsed Grayson's opponent.

They are letting us know that they don't need us and that we can screw ourselves.

[bbgrunt]

130. it's pretty blatant.

[yourpaljoey]

35. She has made no attempt to earn our vote... I find that surprising

[bvf]

74. It doesn't surprise me at all.

She's just assuming we'll come to heel, apparently.

[Lizzie Poppet]

137. I think she has: her transparently fake shift to the left.

If it weren't for Bernie (and the need not to alienate all his voters), you'd have never seen Hillary giving lip service to things like Wall Street malfeasance, etc. That's an attempt to earn our vote. It'll fail in a large number of cases, perhaps the majority...but it's an attempt.

If you think the infighting now is bad (and it is), wait until Hillary gets eviscerated in November.* The exchange of vitriolic accusations of blame for essentially handing all three branches to the orcs will be positively nuclear.

* Of course,I haven't given up on Bernie's run...and won't until he either drops out or is mathematically eliminated.

[HassleCat]

36. I know. We're all jerks.

Because a handful of us (Sandernistas) fly off the handle... or maybe they weren't even real Sandernstas! How about that? Reading through these "attacks on Warren," I was struck by the consistency of the message, and the way they accused Warren of not being a real progressive. Could some of these attack be manufactured specifically for the purpose you suggest? To drive a wedge between the "crazy" Sanders supporters and the others? To make people hesitate because they don't want to associate with nut jobs? Or maybe it's just the obvious, to make all of us look like assholes because a few of us rant and rave.

[Avalux]

45. You've got it! n/t

[azurnoir]

38. she's actually splitting the Democratic party along racial lines

she's cynically attempting to set herself up as the candidate of choice for PoC and women while portraying Bernie as the white MAN's candidate, causing a rift in the Democratic party that may well never heal-this is something the Repukes have only been able to dream of for years

[UglyGreed]

39. David Brock

"He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas"

[NorthCarolina]

42. True, but it's not working. Their efforts are far too organized, juvenile and transparent.

eom

[Jitter65]

43. How??? nt

[Trust Buster]

48. Bernie is in dire need of more votes and not more conspiracy theories.

[Shadowflash]

49. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

[Agschmid]

55. Ugh.

[B Calm]

56. Jury results!

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Hillary as the "Borg Queen"... Really DU? This is what passes for political conversation at this point? Hide this stupid RW meme.

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[Shadowflash]

58. Haha!

Thanks!

Man! They are getting desperate!

[JTFrog]

103. Yeah, the desperation lies in posting ignorant photoshopped bullshit.

That's all you've got. It says way more about you than it does any of our candidates or their supporters.

[Shadowflash]

114. Nope.

It's the best, most appropriate response to calls to give up and get in line.

As much as people want that to happen, it's not going to.

Nonsense demands get a nonsense pic.

[donnasgirl]

50. This is my first post in many Months,

I will be leaving the Democratic Party ASAP for many reasons, the biggest reason is I will not be voting for any Candidate who I view as bought and paid for. I and the whole Family have been watching this process very closely and absolutely will not be involved with the filth we have witnessed from the likes of DWS and many others, In Massachusetts the other day we witnessed Bill Clinton hanging around and going into a polling place, how many times do we voters have to witness wrong doing and nothing being done about it.
My vote will be for Bernie and only Bernie and nothing anyone can say will change our mind's, this decision is not easy but it is a necessity at this time.

[snowy owl]

66. You Go Girl!

You said it. I left the dems some time ago. I will vote Green if it's Hillary. I will not be part of maintaining a status quo that is founded on corruption. I don't understand why people don't see that. It is disheartening. I did send an email to Massachusetts elections. We'll see what happens. The more emails they get from across the country, the more light will be shedded on his behavior. We need to do that. My message was his arrogance that he could flout the intention of the law preventing undue influence and his ability to get away with it. That was so wrong.

Your e-mail has been forwarded to the following division:
Elections Division
Secretary of the Commonwealth
One Ashburton Place, Room 1705
Boston, MA 02108-1513
Tel: [phone]
Toll Free: 1-800-462-VOTE (8683) (within Mass. only)
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CIS

[donnasgirl]

69. We signed the petition and the last i looked 52000 also signed.

[snowy owl]

72. I signed it, too.

But I wanted to do more. I'm sick of it.

[donnasgirl]

75. God do i know how people are feeling

I have family and friends who are actually considering voting for Trump, they say he is actually more in line of how they feeling.
Not accepting money from any big donors
Not folding on healthcare for all
I personally have been hearing this for many weeks now and it is because of Schultz and the fact Clinton taking money from wall street, we are also very disappointed in Elizabeth Warren for not coming out in support of Bernie.

[CharlotteVale]

52. If she wants Bernie supporters' votes, she sure has a funny way of showing it.

[WillyT]

53. K & R !!!

[Jopin Klobe]

54. BERNIE 2016. (period)

[Autumn]

57. The democratic party is underestimating the anger out here.

They do so at their own peril. Young people know whats at stake. Business as usual won't get them to support the democratic party.

[Ivan Kaputski]

113. ^ this ^

[snowy owl]

59. Hillary BEING BERNIE

She started by running on Obama's coattails and "being Obama." Now she's morphed into "being Bernie" - starting sentences with "I believe..." which was Bernie's way to giving Bill the okay to exert undue influence by visiting polling places to featuring on MSNBC people claiming to be "just supporters' but who were shown to have financial ties to her. She started by touting her resume and now she's practically borrowing Bernie's message word-for-word. She is a transparent shape-shifter that shapes herself into whatever sells. That people can't see that is what is wrong with our body politic. We have a society of hero worshipers and she's no hero. Too long in the political arena and to used to the money and power. That people can't see the clear difference between hers and Bill's need to be first-woman President is beyond me.

Bernie, he just wants to help people - he wants justice and he wants fairness and he would get it because just like his putting a hold on another Obama pharma-connected direcdtor for the FDA, Bernie doesn't go to corporations to find his regulators. Like Warren said, the regulations are in place. It is the President who decides if they get enforced or now. The facts are out there if people could just stop loving their candidate and look intellectually and without emotion. The facts are out there.

[Darwin Diplomacy]

60. I'm an independent

Clinton isn't splitting me. It's Bernie or I will just move on to doing something else.

Ignore the next 4 years.

[kgnu_fan]

61. Just ignore them and move on with our own Bernie discussions - we have much to talk about!

[onecaliberal]

62. Hillary abandons any position for expediency to protect the monied interests who finance her life

and campaigns. Morally bankrupt.

[dlwickham]

63. Plant stories?

All you have to do is go to her Facebook page and see the posts that Bernie fans have been leaving her

She is being blamed for Hillary winning Massachusetts

[rockfordfile]

67. I will vote for Clinton if she is the nominee

You sound like a republican trying to divide the Democratic Party.

[snowy owl]

70. You and Thom Hartmann

Why are we always saving ourselves from Republicans? She either has the values you support or she doesn't. I've voted Green several times. It is not my job to save the country with every election. I vote my values. If Hillary reflects your values, I'm good with that. But don't name-call me because I vote my values over and over and just hope the rest of the country will catch up with me and the rest of us who do that.

[Kittycat]

129. I didn't leave my party.

In Hillary, my party will have left me. It's sacrificing too much of what if believe is truly wrong and must be fixed in order for our country to move forward. I can't accept the corporate greed, selling us out, bad trade deals and war. Those aren't my democratic values.

[SammyWinstonJack]

76. Yeah, not going to work. She should quit while she's some what "ahead".

I'll never support her. Not ever.

[turbinetree]

77. The THIRD WAY OR tired way..................doesn't get it...........

there is no lock step in the twenty years of Third Way dogma-----------------------enough is enough---------------we gave your mantra a chance and what did we get------------------- NAFTA, CAFTA, South Korean Trade Deal, TPP, Lack of a Public Option, Talk of a Chained CPI for Social Security, cuts in Medicare funding, the co-sponsor of legislation of dismantling the CFPB on Pay Day Lenders, Glass-Steagall gone, Fairness Doctrine gone, for starters -----------------------yep, Democratic-Socialists Bernie supporters have had it up to our eye balls with Third Way politics and legislation----------------have a nice day




Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Kittycat]

131. Beep-Beep

[MaeScott]

79. Kicked nt

[Jack Rabbit]

81. Of course they are.

Splitting the opposition's base is a common campaign tactic that seldom works.

You're right about it not working with us Sandernistas on the issues. We know we're right on the issues and Mrs. Clinton has been part of the problem for a very long time.

[JDPriestly]

83. I will, as I have frequently stated, vote for all other Democrats on my ballot, but I cannot

in good conscience vote for Hillary.

She is too vengeful, too arrogant, too haughty and contemptuous of others.

Those are bad character traits, far more dangerous than her husband's womanizing, and I will not vote for her under any conditions.

I hope others work as hard as I am to elect Bernie Sanders. He is a gift to our country.

He is a kind, compassionate individual -- not perfect, but you do not see that ugly, haughty look on his face. You do not hear that searing, judgmental, cold tone in his voice.

Outrage at injustice -- yes, that is in Bernie Sanders' voice, but not the contempt that is in Hillary's voice.

Hillary sounds like someone who thinks she is absolutely right about things. Bernie sounds like a person who will listen to and consider the opinions of others.

That's my take.

Listen carefully.

Listen to their voices and not just to what they say. Their voices tell a lot about their feelings and who they are.

If you want to compare a woman's voice to Hillary's, try Elizabeth Warren's.

[Cobalt Violet]

84. After billy boy coming to my state with bullhorn to steal my vote.

And after equating us to tea party I don't see any way to ever trust or vote for anyone with the name Clinton unless they are totally unrelated.

[Thespian2]

85. K & R

Voting for HRH would be akin to poking your eyes out with a sharp stick...

Has Bill been arrested yet for his unlawful activities in Mass?

[aquart]

86. God! Berners take no responsibility for their vile bouts of paranoid hysteria.

Yeah, it's always someone else who did it. Except it wasn't.

[w4rma]

91. Clinton supporters take no responsibility for steadily losing the support of Democratic voters. (nt)

[INdemo]

88. This appears to be Bill Clintons using Karl Roves strategy along with

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David Brock and John Podesta

Bill says "I was not blocking voters and I was not inside a polling place"

[Kittycat]

132. Despite pictures and video.

It's like they forget about the Internet.

[INdemo]

136. When Hillary supporters refuse to

acknowledge that Bill Clinton Clearly broke election laws,isn't that being Repulicanish?

[Kittycat]

138. It's what we have always railed and fought Republicans

For, yes. I always thought it was nice that we claimed the moral high ground for GOTV efforts, trying to ensure every vote was counted, and that everyone eligible was able to vote without any measure of prevention standing in their way.

If we're going to accept this, let's go ahead and start purging voters and support finger blood and retina scanning at the polls.

[Ferd Berfel]

90. K&R

[Utopian Leftist]

95. Ask yourself, have you ever heard anyone use the term:

"Hillarybot"? I have never seen that, even here at DU. And yet I've encountered the term "Berniebot" (not to mention "Berniebro&quot on every social media I use. Why could that be? I think, very simply, it's because Hillary's campaign, lacking anything of substance to sell (i.e. her positions on the issues), has resorted to personal attacks against her rival and his supporters. She has no other ammo to use. It is also because her followers often appear to consider statements of fact to be personal attacks upon Her Majesty.

Most of Bernie's true supporters, that I have encountered anyway, have wanted to talk about issues. If Hillary were competitive in that area, then I might listen to or give any sort of credence to her followers. But she is not competitive with Bernie on any issue, not by a longshot.

[pa28]

96. They're going to split many of us right out of the Democratic party.

What could possibly go wrong with a plan like that?

[Lorien]

97. Since Hillary's fans can't go after Bernie on the issues, all they have left

is to attack his supporters. Bernie is already carrying the Blue states that are necessary for any Dem to win in a general election. Bernie supporters (don't ever call me a "Bernie Bro"; I'm female and more than half a century old) aren't going to "fall in line" for Hillary after the nonstop attacks that her supporters hurl our way. It's bad enough that their reasons for voting for her are kept secret, but attacking those of us who want to SURVIVE ON THIS PLANET for a while longer as unrealistic dreamers who believe in fairies and unicorns is beyond the pale. An unrealistic fantasy is believing that a war with Iran will be dandy, that fracking somehow "helps" anyone not named Koch, that for profit prisons don't ruin millions of lives for nothing more than profit, that Monsanto isn't a threat to our health and food security, that Walmart's business practices are "something to be proud of", and that the uber establishment candidate can beat a faux anti-establishment candidate that the media adores.

Bernie has the best policies, the clearest vision for a better America where everyone gets a fair chance, and he's our best chance to beat Drumpf and heal the partisan divide. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Drumpt. No amount of dreaming will change that!

[Cleita]

104. Yes you a right.

Sad isn't it?

[Nonhlanhla]

105. Yet another example

of Bernie supporters misbehaving and yet it's somehow Hillary's fault. This seems to be a pattern.

I have a vague recollection from my graduate days, of some interesting research into how people tend to blame their mother more than their father for things, because of certain dynamics in childhood development, and how this turns into a cultural meme against women in authority. I'm beginning to think I need to go dig up my notes on that.

[djean111]

108. Too late! Someone here has already announced that if someone did not support Hillary, it

was because they had mommy issues. Bwahahaha!
For me, it is because Hillary stands for war and fracking and the TPP and other things that I hate. Her gender, and my mother, have nothing to do with that.

Anyway, your condescending put-down is not original to DU.

[Nonhlanhla]

110. Did I say NOT SUPPORTING Hillary is the issue?

No, I said BLAMING Hilary for your own wrongdoing is the issue, and it resembles some very interesting psychological theory I read a long, long time ago.

Why can Bernie supporters not take responsibility for their own wrongdoing without making it Hillary's fault? Hmm?

That is quite distinct from not agreeing with her on the issues. Duh.

[djean111]

112. I think the constant sniping at Bernie's supporters is totally due to pissiness because we don't

support Hillary. Oh, and it is not my wrongdoing. Blaming all of Bernie's supporters for something that some Bernie's supporters supposedly did is projection. Daddy issues, perhaps. Anyway, good luck with your theory. Because it is meaningless. Duh. Indeed. 'bye!

[jillan]

116. First of all - My parents taught me to stand up for what I believe in - AND -

it is none of your dam business who I vote for.
I live in the United States of America where I am blessed with the freedom to vote for whomever I wish.

Hillary is a woman of authority? I don't see her that way. I see her as a woman that is a politician. Period.

[Nonhlanhla]

134. Did I say anything about who you support?

No, I did not. I said that this very silly thread is yet another example of Bernie supporters blaming Hillary when the Bernie camp did something wrong. It's been a pattern I've noticed since 'data gate.'

[peacebird]

107. I am with you. Why would I settle for Hillary? She will veer hard right if elected.

Have to keep her bank$ter & neocon buddies happy after all!

[LuvLoogie]

109. The Revolution hunts dragons to sleigh.

A giggling girl is a raging harpie. A choice is a conspiracy. Winning is cheating. Losing is the woe of the ages.

Just vote. There is no box of chocolates.

[jillan]

115. All her campaign has done is push me away. At this point in time I honestly don't know

what I am going to do in November if she is the nominee.

For the first time in my 60 years I might not vote for the democrat. Either write in Bernie or vote for Jill Stein.

[fun n serious]

122. Cool with me! I do not feel threatened if that is what your goal is. nt

[olddots]

117. don't forget we're juvinile ........

[Beacool]

118. Let me get this straight, some of Sander's supporters went online and badmouthed Warren.

Somehow that is Hillary and her supporters' fault?????

Only on DU such a lack of logic is praised and gets almost 150 rec's.

Ahhhh DU, down the rabbit hole on a daily basis.

[Lucinda]

120. +1

[fun n serious]

121. Yes. Blame Hilary and or Obama. Also,

They repeat OP after OP.. " You're going to need our vote and I am not voting for Hillary." I NEVER asked for their vote, never will... I know they will not vote for Hillary. Why do they think I care? I don't! They never intended to vote for a DEM to begin with. I'm so tired of hearing that..

[Beacool]

124. Yeah, that meme is getting old.

They act like they should get a medal for stating that they won't vote for the nominee. I will vote for any Democrat over that disgusting man, Trump.

[Number23]

123. The attempted data theft of her own records was somehow her fault. Why not this too??

[Beacool]

125. Now they are going after Michael Tomasky.

An Ode to My Berniebro Trolls

Sanders’s many, many vocal fans on the Internet need to get it through their heads that people can disagree with them and not be monsters or corporate shills.


I ran into my friend J. on Wednesday, mordant Irish wit, labor organizer, ardent Bern-feeler, and, I suppose unfathomably to many of you, faithful Tomasky reader. It pained him a little, he said, to read my most recent column, in which I argued that the calendar and the math very strongly favored Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders should by all means continue to press his case for as long as he wants to but should pull back on criticizing her, since it looks very much like she’s going to be the nominee.


It pained him, he said, because try as he might he couldn’t really argue with it. Well, I said, if it’s any consolation to you, I’m getting hammered by Bernie people on Twitter. He looked at me with surprise. Really, he said; for that column? What was so objectionable about that?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/04/an-ode-to-my-berniebro-trolls.html

[Number23]

128. For God's sake, PLEASE tell me this is an OP somewhere on this web site. I need to K&R 70 times

[Beacool]

133. It is now.........

[Number23]

139. Where?

[Beacool]

140. Here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511409609

[PatrynXX]

135. this after her minion DWS did what to Warren?

do'h...