Obama's Justice Department Just Gave Bryan Pagliano Immunity and Bernie Sanders the Presidency

[shawn703]

Bryan Pagliano, the person who set up Clinton's private server and email apparatus, was just given immunity by the Justice Department. According to The Washington Post, "The Clintons paid Pagliano $5,000 for 'computer services' prior to his joining the State Department, according to a financial disclosure form he filed in April 2009."

First, this can't be a right-wing conspiracy because it's President Obama's Justice Department granting immunity to one of Hillary Clinton's closest associates. Second, immunity from what? The Justice Department won't grant immunity to anyone unless there's potential criminal activity involved with an FBI investigation. Third, and most importantly for Bernie Sanders, there's only one Democrat in 2016 not linked to the FBI, Justice Department, or 31,830 deleted emails.

These 31,830 deleted emails, by the way, were deleted without government oversight.

Only one person set up the server that circumvented U.S. government networks and this person is Bryan Pagliano. Not long ago, Pagliano pleaded the Fifth, so this new development speaks volumes. His immunity, at this point in Clinton's campaign, spells trouble and could lead to an announcement in early May from the FBI about whether or not Clinton or her associates committed a crime. As stated in The New York Times, "Then the Justice Department will decide whether to file criminal charges and, if so, against whom."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/obamas-justice-department-gave-bernie-sanders-presidency_b_9372012.html

[riversedge]

1. I know it must be delusional HA goodman without even looking.

[BlueMTexpat]

5. Just felt it in my bones ...

HA HA HA Goodman.

Anyone who posts his s*** here is as credible as he is.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. It's gotta be performance art

[Betty Karlson]

41. Shoot the messenger!

Never mind about the message! Onward with the coronation! The power of Debbie commands you!

[Faux pas]

2. Kickin' with gusto!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. I'm going to wait and see what he actually has to say before declaring her campaign dead.

She's really good at sliding out of self-created troubles.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Slick Hilly.

[Tommy2Tone]

4. In your dreams Bernie boy.

There is nothing there that was classified at the time she sent and received them. Granting immunity was a procedural move.

[shawn703]

6. You're funny

Do you really think government employees have someone standing over their shoulder while they compose emails, telling them whether or not something is classified before they click send?

[pdsimdars]

25. we can dream tommy

I think it could be for a number of quite mundane things and not necessarily the big tuna

[fleur-de-lisa]

8. Even if Pagliano broke the law . . .

how does that implicate Clinton? Does anyone really think Hillary knew the details of her server? I think that's ludicrous. She, like any high-level bureaucrat, didn't have time to fool with stuff like that.

Look, I don't like Hillary any more than you do and I don't want her to be president, but I don't see how this could mean the end for Hillary's campaign. What am I missing?

I would much rather go after her record rather than the servers and emails.

[shawn703]

11. Why would she ask for her own private server to begin with?

If she doesn't know what benefits it would provide, why would she want one?

[fleur-de-lisa]

18. I don't have any links handy

but I read somewhere a while back that she wasn't all that savvy with technology while she was SOS. I just find it hard to believe that she had time or the interest to get heavily involved in the ins and outs of her server. I think she followed the advice of her IT team, or more likely, told them to just handle it, like any boss would.

I wish there was more to it than that because I REALLY want Bernie to win, but I just don't think there's anything there. Let's keep hammering away at her record. There's plenty of material there.

[demwing]

14. So the buck stops over there, somewhere?

And that's the Clinton leadership we've all come to know so well!

[fleur-de-lisa]

20. I just don't believe that someone holding the office of Secretary of State

had the time or the interest to get involved in the minutia of an email server.

There are so many other things to hold her accountable for, like her Iraq war vote, her coziness with Wall Street and the big banks, etc. I think this is a losing line of attack.

[demwing]

26. Ok, but even if we ignore it

The FBI won't. This isn't an Internet meme being bolstered by Bernie supporters on DU. This is real shit, in the initial stages of a full-force fan-splatter.

[fleur-de-lisa]

29. I hope you are correct.

But I'm not pinning my hopes on this being resolved before we choose our nominee. I'd rather keep fighting for Bernie by calling attention to Hillary's disastrous record.

[demwing]

30. Agreed, full speed ahead, and damn the emails!

That issue will take care of itself. If it has legs, it will stand and run.

[fleur-de-lisa]

31. Party on!

Now let's go get Bernie the nomination!

[Happenstance24]

33. So using your logic

Bernie Sanders is solely responsible for his multiple staffers stealing Clinton's election data, right? If the buck stops at the top then Sanders is also responsible for his staff pretending to be Union personnel in NV as well. Can't have it both ways chief.

[demwing]

35. Don't spread that lie - no data was stolen

But to ensure there wasn't even the appearance of impropriety, people lost their jobs, and Bernie apologized on national TV.

And that's the leadership we've come to expect from Bernie.

[Happenstance24]

36. It wasn't a lie.

Facts are facts. Deal with them. Data was stolen involving the first 2 races. And look at that, once the third race came along in NV Clinton pulled ahead and never looked back. I'm sure that is just a coincidence, right? BTW Hillary has apologized for the email server multiple times as well, but you already knew that.

[demwing]

37. Snopes disagrees

www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/

WHAT'S TRUE: During a brief security lapse due to a bug on the part of third-party campaign information data company NGP VAN, four staffers from the Bernie Sanders campaign had unauthorized access to limited data pertaining to the Hillary Clinton campaign. The DNC has since pledged to restore the Sanders campaign's access to the voter files.

WHAT'S FALSE: The data were accessed over a lengthy period; the data were "exported" or otherwise extracted; the data were of high value to the Sanders campaign.

WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: What the staffers' intent in accessing the data was; whether the Clinton campaign engaged in similar activity during the 2008 campaign but was unsanctioned (as asserted in a suit filed by Sanders' campaign against the DNC); under precisely which circumstances the staffers accessed the information; the manner in which the proprietary software operated and the ease with which such data might be accessed deliberately or inadvertently.

[Peace Patriot]

40. "and never looked back"? Maybe she should've: MN & CO!

Also OK, and of course VT. Sanders wasn't supposed to win any of these except VT (which he won in a blowout--no delegates at all for Clinton--from the people who know him best). And then there are the big (18 pts to 20 pts) Sanders margins in MN & CO, higher than expected. And the near tie in MA, and the very low turnout in the states where she got the majority of votes. That last is something she certainly shouldn't turn her back on. What's Debbie doing? Not GOTV, I guess. Or, yeah, she's helping the loan sharks in FLA.

I really think you've gotten carried away. She "never looked back" after NV? Isn't it good political leadership TO "look back"--to assess, to spot mistakes, to correct mistakes, as a campaign proceeds?

This campaign is far from over. Best to "look back" NOW. Not only did she have poor turnout in her strongholds, Sanders had much better turnout in each state where he won the majority.

Also, the overall poor turnout for the Dems was contrasted with the above average turnout for the Pukes. This is the DNC's responsibility as well as the campaigns. The Sanders campaign did its part. The Clinton campaign didn't. As for the DNC chair, well, she has better things to do, apparently.

[Betty Karlson]

45. Loved every line of that rebuttal. eom

[FreakinDJ]

9. I have often wondered about Obama's position in all this

Personally I believe there is some serious multi dimension chess going on here

Could Obama trade a Clinton indictment for a Supreme Court nomination

With the GOP fully vested in taking down Trump anything is possible

[artislife]

15. I must admit to liking this scenario...

Obama is a masterful 3 dimensional chess player. Whenever I thought he was out in 2008, some move he had made previously would turn out to be the move that shifted everything. He was/is masterful.

[Betty Karlson]

42. There are occasional signs that Biden and Obama still have some bones to pick with Clinton.

Maybe they have some 'parting gifts' up their sleeves? Some chips off their shoulders? Dishes best served in the midst of a heated primary?

[shawn703]

32. It would kind of go against the meme

That Obama wants Clinton to continue his legacy.

[FreakinDJ]

34. Nothing I've seen implies that

And we learn daily how Clinton undermined Obama's efforts during his 1st term

Often wondered about her giving up the SoS position suddenly

[Betty Karlson]

43. Oops: I missed something big.

Would you care to cue me in? Link something?

I apologise if I have been oblivious to such an important developing news item. Please let me catch up.

[Stallion]

10. As an Attorney-This is Riduclous

Assertion: The Justice Department only gives immunity if there was criminal conduct involved?

BS

The Justice Department might give immunity to a witness who feared he MIGHT be subject to criminal prosecution whether justified or not. The Justice Department could be just removing the fear from the witness' perspective because they have no plan to prosecute. Simply removing a unimportant barrier to obtaining testimony

[Hoyt]

12. A more objective assessment than Goodman's

"Federal law makes it a crime to mishandle classified information outside secure government channels when someone does so “knowingly” or — more seriously — permits it through “gross negligence.” Mrs. Clinton has correctly pointed out that none of the emails on her server were marked as classified at the time."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/us/politics/as-presidential-campaign-unfolds-so-do-inquiries-into-hillary-clintons-emails.html?_r=1
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"What does immunity represent? Does it mean that either Pagliano (or Clinton) are accused of offenses? Quite the opposite. Pagliano first invoked his Fifth Amendment rights because a House Republican-majority committee was hauling him in. I served as General Counsel (Acting) for the U.S. House of Representatives from 1993-94, and continue to remain informed of its practices. Confronted with one of those committees, I think a witness like Pagliano would be very well advised to invoke the Fifth Amendment, because the committees act in a blatantly and aggressively partisan way and do not behave at all fairly with witnesses. He would be well advised to do what he did, and eventually give a full account, not to such a committee, but to the FBI and DOJ."

"Immunity means the Justice Department must forego bringing a case against him, but if the DOJ thought they had a case against Pagliano, they would not grant him immunity. They would prosecute that case, or else make a plea deal which could include the grant of immunity. They are granting him immunity because there is no case they are foregoing, so, this way, he can and will give them evidence.

What about Clinton – does Pagliano’s immunity somehow count against her? Hardly. Again, it is only what it is. The whole country saw her on live television being questioned by a Republican-majority House Committee. They can decide about her from what they saw themselves."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/charlestiefer/2016/03/02/immunity-for-bryan-pagliano-will-help-end-the-hillary-clinton-email-inquiry/#6fe39ab4552d

[shawn703]

13. See response #6

[Hoyt]

21. Goodman and that are all you have?

[shawn703]

22. And enough experience in the world of government IT

To know how serious this really is. You're free to stick your head back in the sand though.

[BernieforPres2016]

17. The most interesting part of this story to me is what's in the emails

And there's very little reporting on that. There has been a little bit of reporting on a handful of emails, including the one where a sycophant Hillary aide emailed how she had never been more proud to work for her after she had talked the POTUS into bombing Libya. And there was an email on how she had lobbied Congress on behalf of a free trade agreement with Columbia that she claimed she opposed during her 2008 Presidential campaign.

[whatchamacallit]

19. Call me paranoid

but the scenario I see is immunity (and maybe a little something on the side) is granted so this guy can fall on his sword for Clinton.

[magical thyme]

39. possible, but 1. he wasn't involved in actually writing and sending the classified emails

that may or may not have been copied from the secure system into the unsecure system by one or another of Hill's aides.

and

2. When he gave his interview (already has, per NYT) he had no way of knowing what evidence the FBI already had on hand.

So he had no way of knowing that they may already have evidence to expose any specific lie he told. In which case, for not being truthful, immunity is off and perjury charges on.

I expect any lawyer would have told him that whatever you do, do not lie. Just tell the truth, because they *may* already know the answer.

[randome]

23. Another opinion piece by Goodman pushed here as something factual.

And the Revolution dies just a little more.
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[NCTraveler]

24. Bwahaha!!!

Paulite Goodman and the Sane Progressive are two of the best things to come out of this primary.

I recently saw goodman referred to as a journalist here. Priceless.

hagoodman.com

[Starry Messenger]

27. Ah, Mr. Goodman.

The lead fan fiction writer.

[Gothmog]

28. HA Goodman can always be counted on for a laugh

[Godhumor]

38. How many ways has Ha insisted Bernie is secretly winning?

We must be up into the dozens by this point.

[Darb]

44. Shark Jumper!!! Nice Form.

This judge gives you a 7.8