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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:17 PM Mar 2016

What Really Happened on Super Tuesday

http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/03/02/what-really-happened-on-super-tuesday/

Unlike the British press, which openly acknowledges and parades its biases, many American news outlets like to maintain a pretense of objectivity. But this doesn’t mean that they’re objective, it just means that their biases are more insidious. Many media outlets clearly like Hillary Clinton and dislike Donald Trump, and these views have quietly colored their reporting on the presidential race. Last night Bernie Sanders won as many states as Donald Trump lost, but Clintonites will try to paint the democrats’ race as effectively over while anti-Trumpsters will look for excuses to say that the republicans’ race isn’t finished yet. These media narratives are used to give the press’ favorites “momentum”. If the public believes a race is over, it often is, regardless of whether or not the numbers really make it so. So by crowning a nominee (or refusing to crown one), media outlets exercise power to shape the races grounded in their biases. To understand what really happened last night, we have to look at whether candidates are meeting or exceeding their projected paths to their respective nominations....

But many media outlets helped Clinton stay in the race in 2008 by painting the race as a close contest. Today many of those same outlets are trying to write Sanders off, and if we’re not careful this may become self-fulfilling. It doesn’t help that Super Tuesday in 2016 was dominated by southern states where Sanders is weak. In 2008, the Super Tuesday list was more geographically diverse, and despite being behind in the polls nationally, Clinton won 12 states to Obama’s 11. With the south heavy schedule this year, Sanders trailed on Super Tuesday 7 to 4. It’s important for everyone to remember that Bernie Sanders is not running for president of the Confederacy....

No individual anti-Trump has shown any ability to consistently consolidate support in a region. Cruz was second in the south, Kasich was second in the northeast, and Rubio was mostly third. Carson was irrelevant. The folks who want you to believe that this isn’t over push the “Trump ceiling” fantasy, which holds that if any of these folks drop out, nearly 100% of their supporters will go to an anti-Trump. Only affluent pundits who are disconnected from ordinary republican voters could possibly think this. Trump’s favorability numbers among republicans are about as good as anybody’s:...

Let’s admit the obvious. Barring some freak incident, Donald Trump is going to be the republican nominee. We just don’t know which democrat is going to run against him yet. After reading this terrific piece by Nathan Robinson, I hope for the sake of the country it’s Sanders.
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What Really Happened on Super Tuesday (Original Post) KamaAina Mar 2016 OP
Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2016 #1
Ooh, I like this kind of kicking. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #15
Lol thanks Betty Karlson, Faux pas Mar 2016 #32
Correct. Bernie isn't running to be president of the confederacy. He's running right now to become onenote Mar 2016 #2
...and also includes the states that vote late in the process Qutzupalotl Mar 2016 #34
Absolutely. And I want Bernie to stay in the race until the convention onenote Mar 2016 #36
Really Now? Gamecock Lefty Mar 2016 #3
Delegates? KamaAina Mar 2016 #4
+1 FourScore Mar 2016 #10
I guess it went over your head. Unknown Beatle Mar 2016 #21
KnR - Go Bernie! 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #5
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #6
K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #7
K&R nt Zorra Mar 2016 #8
K&R! nt Duval Mar 2016 #9
Excellent Post... Thespian2 Mar 2016 #11
The 2008 race was a close contest. Nitram Mar 2016 #12
No, the 2008 race was not a close contest and Obama did not come from way behind to win. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #14
I honestly do not believe Colorado would go for Trump mountain grammy Mar 2016 #22
This would make an excellent OP. femmedem Mar 2016 #33
IT'S A GODDAMNED CONSPIRACY I TELL YA!!!!! Darb Mar 2016 #13
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #16
What really happened on Super Tuesday ? Trust Buster Mar 2016 #17
Latin@s in Colorado beg to differ. KamaAina Mar 2016 #18
Overall on Super Tuesday, Hillary garnered 66% of the Hispanic vote. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #20
Two very well written articles Red Oak Mar 2016 #19
Bernie's bravery is astounding. chapdrum Mar 2016 #27
Wait, what? wyldwolf Mar 2016 #23
Well, he is right about the pretense chapdrum Mar 2016 #24
What happened? Sanders won 4 small states and Hillary Clinton won 7 big states ~200 more delegates George II Mar 2016 #25
+1 bravenak Mar 2016 #29
It's high time to put the Southern Strategy six feet under. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #26
Funniest line... Mike Nelson Mar 2016 #28
This should kicked and kicked. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #30
What happened super Tuesday? Hillary won twice as many votes and beachbum bob Mar 2016 #31
West of the Mississippi Chelsea2032 Mar 2016 #35
The 2008 race was a close contest. As close as it gets. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #37

onenote

(42,704 posts)
2. Correct. Bernie isn't running to be president of the confederacy. He's running right now to become
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

the nominee of the Democratic Party.

Which happens to include Democrats in every state, not just those that the Democrats usually win in presidential years.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
36. Absolutely. And I want Bernie to stay in the race until the convention
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

even if he's mathematically eliminated before then.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
3. Really Now?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:29 PM
Mar 2016

If Bernie isn't running for the Confederacy, as you say, what the hell was he campaigning for in the South before Super Tuesday??? Maybe he isn't for ALL the people after all?

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
21. I guess it went over your head.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

What the writer meant was that Sanders wasn't running only to be the president of the Confederacy, but rather the whole nation. Thus, he wasn't running to be the president of the Confederacy. But, Hillary supporters say since he lost the southern states, that he lost the nomination and should concede and his supporters should go support Hillary instead.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
12. The 2008 race was a close contest.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

Obama came from way behind to win. It was a nail biter. But Clinton will trounce Trump because a majority of Republicans can't abide him, and Democrats (at least the sane ones) would never let Trump win.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
14. No, the 2008 race was not a close contest and Obama did not come from way behind to win.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

The only thing that even begins to give that illusion is the crap Hillary pulled in Michigan.

After Super Tuesday it was a close race, but then Obama took control and pulled ahead.


There is no reason to believe Clinton will "trounce" Trump. In fact, most evidence points to Hillary losing to him.








femmedem

(8,203 posts)
33. This would make an excellent OP.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:52 AM
Mar 2016

The electoral college stats are more compelling than the national polling. I've been looking for something like this. Thanks for posting it. Would love to know where you found it--or did you put it together yourself?

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
17. What really happened on Super Tuesday ?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary trounced Bernie with the AA and Hispanic demographics. A trend not likely to change. A bad omen for Bernie's hopes. That's what REALLY happened on Super Tuesday.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
20. Overall on Super Tuesday, Hillary garnered 66% of the Hispanic vote.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:04 PM
Mar 2016

In Texas alone, she beat Sanders by 45 percentage points with the Hispanic demographic. Hanging your hat on a small caucus distorts the larger perspective.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
19. Two very well written articles
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for posting.

My eye opening experience this primary season has been to finally see just how complicit the corporate owned media is in picking our candidate.

The only good thing about this censorship action is that one can plainly see right now who reports objectively, even if they report "against" your candidate, and to note those who do not. Those that do not report, but rather spew, an example would be Tweety, have gone on my permanent "ignore" list. They obviously spout whatever they are told to spout. I will no longer watch them nor do anything to help them earn a living or the channels that hire them.

Bernie is a brave man to go against the Corporation.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
23. Wait, what?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:23 PM
Mar 2016
Unlike the British press, which openly acknowledges and parades its biases, many American news outlets like to maintain a pretense of objectivity.

I guess if Benji Studebaker says so...
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
31. What happened super Tuesday? Hillary won twice as many votes and
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

Delegates....one more step to nomination...

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
37. The 2008 race was a close contest. As close as it gets.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton won the popular vote by a hair in '08 and lost the delegate count by a hair. So, I'm not sure why the author would suggest it wasn't actually close. It couldn't have been much closer. This year will not be close.

At this point, Clinton is more of a lock than Trump, believe it or not. Thanks in large part to the fact that Republicans have winner-take-all primaries and Democrats don't. So, the Republicans running against Trump may be able to prevent Trump from winning a majority of delegates even if they can't prevent him from winning a plurality. Much hinges on what happens in Florida (where Rubio could win) and Ohio (where Kasich could win). But on the Democratic side, even in the states where Clinton might lose, she'll still win a portion of the delegates. And the states where Sanders is more likely to win or has won are states with relatively few delegates (Nebraska, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc.).

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