Hillary Clinton, Before Spotlighting Flint, Mich. Water Crisis, Voted AGAINST Clean Groundwater Bill

[AzDar]

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-spotlighting-crisis-flint-michigan-voted-against-measure-prevent

From The Link:

When the Democratic presidential contenders meet on Sunday for their debate in Flint, Michigan — where thousands of residents have been poisoned by polluted water — the candidates’ records on clean water policy are likely to be in the spotlight. Hillary Clinton seems eager for that discussion, recently telling NPR: “The idea that you would have a community in the United States of America of nearly 100,000 people who were drinking and bathing in lead-contaminated water infuriates me.”

But despite that rhetoric, the issue of clean water may be politically perilous for the leading Democratic candidate, thanks to her vote against banning a possible carcinogen at the center of one of the largest water pollution scandals in recent history

Facing reports that a controversial fuel additive was contaminating water supplies across America, Clinton as a senator in 2005 opposed a bipartisan measure to ban the chemical — even though Bill Clinton’s Environmental Protection Agency had first proposed such a prohibition. At roughly the same time, one major company producing the chemical also tried to use provisions in a trade deal backed by Hillary Clinton to force local governments in the United States to let it continue selling the toxic compound.

Clinton’s campaign did not respond to International Business Times’ question about her vote.


More at Link

[Wilms]

1. She never fails...

...to disappoint.

[SCantiGOP]

26. another false, misleading OP

Please read to the bottom of the thread to see the truth.

[JaneyVee]

36. And Bernie voted NAY as well!

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll445.xml

[Kip Humphrey]

2. equivocation to follow...

[That Guy 888]

3. Well she does apparently have to take every position on every issue.

[AlbertCat]

13. she does apparently have to take every position on every issue.

Quantum Politics.

It defies common sense.

[platitudipus]

40. Schrödinger's Hillary?

n/t

[Buzz cook]

4. The 2005 senate

Was controlled by the republicans. Bill Frist was the majority leader.

Republicans tend to name toxic legislation with nice sounding names.

So I'd have to know more about that bill before I jumped on the op's bandwagon.

[amborin]

5. WOW! great research! She gets $$$$ From Duke energy, too

[pdsimdars]

6. Come on you guys, she "evolved" ( a g a i n )

Vote one way, and when the sh*t hits the fan, "evolve".

[AzDar]

7. How can *anyone* believe a word she says?

[TheBlackAdder]

8. FRACK, BABY, FRACK!

[EndElectoral]

9. Hope Debate moderators read this post and ask the question

[Faux pas]

10. ...

[Doctor_J]

11. She evolved on whether people should have safe water to drink. C'mon guys! Evolution is good!

Bernie is too rigid - he's believed for years we should all have safe air and water. What kind of person never evolves? I've also noticed that when he talks about pollution, he never specifically says that black people should have safe water. this proves to me that he doesn't understand minorities.

[Godhumor]

12. Here's the House version of the bill. Care to look at whose name is listed under the Nays?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll132.xml

Researched by our dear friend on temporary vacation, 1StrongBlackMan.

[AtheistCrusader]

15. Actually, if you look deeper, Hillary voted in favor of that reconciled bill, Sanders against.

And it was written and co-sponsored by republicans, so that tells you about all you need to know about how much it actually protected groundwater.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6/cosponsors

Sections relating to Water.

Sec. 101. Energy and water saving measures in congressional buildings.
Sec. 344. Incentives for natural gas production from deep wells in the
shallow waters of the Gulf of Mexico.
Sec. 345. Royalty relief for deep water production.
Sec. 979. Energy and water supplies.
Sec. 999B. Ultra-deepwater and unconventional onshore natural gas and
other petroleum research and development program.
Sec. 1530. Additional measures to protect groundwater.

SEC. 1530. ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO PROTECT GROUNDWATER.

(a) In General.--Section 9003 of the Solid Waste Disposal Act (42
U.S.C. 6991b) is amended by adding the following new subsection at the
end:
``(i) Additional Measures to Protect Groundwater From
Contamination.--The Administrator shall require each State that receives
funding under this subtitle to require one of the following:
``(1) Tank and piping secondary containment.--(A) Each new
underground storage tank, or piping connected to any such new
tank, installed after the effective date of this subsection, or
any existing underground storage tank, or existing piping
connected to such existing tank, that is replaced after the
effective date of this subsection, shall be secondarily
contained and monitored for leaks if the new or replaced
underground storage tank or piping is within 1,000 feet of any
existing community water system or any existing potable drinking
water well.
``(B) In the case of a new underground storage tank system
consisting of one or more underground storage tanks and
connected by piping, subparagraph (A) shall apply to all
underground storage tanks and connected pipes comprising such
system.
``(C) In the case of a replacement of an existing
underground storage tank or existing piping connected to the
underground storage tank, subparagraph (A) shall apply only to
the specific underground storage tank or piping being replaced,

[[Page 119 STAT. 1103]]

not to other underground storage tanks and connected pipes
comprising such system.
``(D) Each installation of a new motor fuel dispenser
system, after the effective date of this subsection, shall
include under-dispenser spill containment if the new dispenser
is within 1,000 feet of any existing community water system or
any existing potable drinking water well.
``(E) This paragraph shall not apply to repairs to an
underground storage tank, piping, or dispenser that are meant to
restore a tank, pipe, or dispenser to operating condition.
``(F) As used in this subsection:
``(i) The term `secondarily contained' means a
release detection and prevention system that meets the
requirements of 40 CFR 280.43(g), but shall not include
under-dispenser spill containment or control systems.
``(ii) The term `underground storage tank' has the
meaning given to it in section 9001, except that such
term does not include tank combinations or more than a
single underground pipe connected to a tank.
``(iii) The term `installation of a new motor fuel
dispenser system' means the installation of a new motor
fuel dispenser and the equipment necessary to connect
the dispenser to the underground storage tank system,
but does not mean the installation of a motor fuel
dispenser installed separately from the equipment need
to connect the dispenser to the underground storage tank
system.
``(2) Evidence of financial responsibility and
certification.--
``(A) Manufacturer and installer financial
responsibility.--A person that manufactures an
underground storage tank or piping for an underground
storage tank system or that installs an underground
storage tank system is required to maintain evidence of
financial responsibility under section 9003(d) in order
to provide for the costs of corrective actions directly
related to releases caused by improper manufacture or
installation unless the person can demonstrate
themselves to be already covered as an owner or operator
of an underground storage tank under section 9003.
``(B) Installer certification.--The Administrator
and each State that receives funding under this
subtitle, as appropriate, shall require that a person
that installs an underground storage tank system is--
``(i) certified or licensed by the tank and
piping manufacturer;
``(ii) certified or licensed by the
Administrator or a State, as appropriate;
``(iii) has their underground storage tank
system installation certified by a registered
professional engineer with education and
experience in underground storage tank system
installation;
``(iv) has had their installation of the
underground storage tank inspected and approved by
the Administrator or the State, as appropriate;
``(v) compliant with a code of practice
developed by a nationally recognized association
or independent

[[Page 119 STAT. 1104]]

testing laboratory and in accordance with the
manufacturer's instructions; or
``(vi) compliant with another method that is
determined by the Administrator or a State, as
appropriate, to be no less protective of human
health and the environment.
``(C) Savings clause.--Nothing in subparagraph (A)
alters or affects the liability of any owner or operator
of an underground storage tank.''.

(b) Effective Date.--This <<NOTE: 42 USC 6991b note.>> subsection
shall take effect 18 months after the date of enactment of this
subsection.

So... Clinton voted in favor of a bill that incentivized deep water production petroleum wells, with a small rider that required waste tank leakage monitoring. Bernie voted against it.

Ok.


Well, you're right that the original article narrative is backwards, anyway. But for the wrong reasons, and once again, Bernie was on the correct side of the bill, and Hillary was on the pro-petrochemical side of a REPUBLICAN written and sponsored bill.

Tell 1SBM that his research is incomplete.

[Godhumor]

42. The amended bill never made it back to the House

So all we have on what Sanders would have done is speculation.

[passiveporcupine]

43. wrong

He voted no on the conference report. But the conference report passed the house and the senate, so the bill went to the President to be signed. And he signed it.

[NurseJackie]

17. Oh! Lookie there! Interesting. (THANK YOU, 1SBM!!)

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Voting roll.

House voting roll: 75 democrats in favor, 124 against. (Plus Bernie the independent)
200 republicans in favor, 31 against.

12 Nays in the Senate. Only 3 of those Nay's are Republicans.

H R 6 YEA-AND-NAY 28-Jul-2005 1:10 PM
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Conference Report
BILL TITLE: Energy Policy Act of 2005



Yeas Nays PRES NV
Republican 200 31
Democratic 75 124 3
Independent 1
TOTALS 275 156 3

This does not contain the vindication you were seeking.

[AlbertCat]

18. What does this have to do with this?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00139

That's what this article is about.

[passiveporcupine]

44. I believe it was a related bill

that affected the final bill

Energy Policy Act of 2005

Though the MTBE ban was not included in the final energy legislation, the new bill did include language discouraging the use of the chemical.

So she voted nay to what? The bill concerning banning MTBE? or the Amended energy bill that she passed, and then voted no on the conference report?

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-spotlighting-crisis-flint-michigan-voted-against-measure-prevent

This is what Wiki says about the MTBE problem and the energy bill:

The Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed in the House on April 21, 2005, did not include a provision for shielding MTBE manufacturers from water contamination lawsuits. This provision was first proposed in 2003 and had been thought by some to be a priority of Tom DeLay and Rep. Joe Barton, chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee.[6] This bill did include a provision that gives MTBE makers, including some major oil companies, $2 billion in transition assistance as MTBE is phased out over the next nine years.[7] Due to opposition in the Senate,[8] the conference report dropped all MTBE provisions. The final bill was passed by both houses and signed into law by President Bush

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE_controversy

[dana_b]

38. Is that the same one?

Because I don't even find Clinton on there.

[sadoldgirl]

14. While I don't remember this bill exactly, let's

be careful about our judgement here.

There are huge bills, which contain a few good
items, but are generally bad. This could have been
one of those considering the Congress at the time.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Here's the full text of the bill. Sanders voted against in the House, Hillary voted for in the Senat

https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6/text?overview=closed

I'mma side with Bernie on this one.

Thread OP article has the issue backwards though. I'd point out the bill is from the Republicans and incentivizes petroleum production, with a small storage tank leak monitoring rider. Woo hoo.

Like Big Oil needs more incentives.

[Cryptoad]

22. Congressional Record says HRC voted Nay in the Senate

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

[AtheistCrusader]

25. Try again.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00158

[Cryptoad]

28. seems u dont understand how Congress Works

here is the final vote on HB 6 out of conference. geeez

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

[AtheistCrusader]

46. I linked you the final vote on HB 6 after reconciliation and before it went to the president.

Someone is confused on how Congress works, all right.

[Kaleva]

49. Your link is to a vote held a month earlier

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Why would you link to a vote on a committe report rather than on Passage of the Bill (H.R. 6 As Amen

Something wrong with the final passage of the entire bill as amended? Something the vote roll would show?

A different narrative than you just tried to craft, perhaps?

[AzDar]

32. Ayup.

[scscholar]

34. Maybe she voted Yea after voting Nayy?

That happens.

[passiveporcupine]

41. She voted yes on the bill with amendments and it passed

she voted no on the conference report after the bill passed, but it passed anyway.

What was in the conference report she objected to, that was not in the amended bill?

Sanders voted no on the conference report, as well as the original bill and amended bill.

A conference committee was formed, comprising members of both the House and Senate, to resolve the differences in how each chamber passed the bill. The House approved the committee's report proposing the final form of the bill for consideration in both chambers. The Senate must also approve the conference report.

Does anyone have a way to find out what the conference report had in it the amended bill did not?

this is all I can find on the conference report and I don't know what this means.

COMMITTEE ACTION: REPORTED BY VOICE VOTE on Wednesday, July 27, 2005.
FLOOR ACTION: ADOPTED BY VOICE VOTE on Thursday, July 28, 2005.
MANAGERS: HASTINGS(WA)/MCGOVERN
109th Congress
1st Session


H. RES. 394
[Report No. 109-200]

CONFERENCE REPORT TO ACCOMPANY H.R. 6 -- ENERGY POLICY ACT OF 2005



1.Waives all points of order against the conference report and against its consideration.

2. Provides that the conference report shall be considered as read.



---------

RESOLUTION

Resolved, That upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to consider the conference report to accompany the bill (H.R. 6) to ensure jobs for our future with secure, affordable, and reliable energy. All points of order against the conference report and against its consideration are waived. The conference report shall be considered as read.

http://democrats.rules.house.gov/rules/hr-6-energy-policy-act-2005-conference-report

[onenote]

53. How a bill becomes a law.

The House passed a version of the bill with groundwater provisions. Sanders voted no.

The Senate passed a version of the bill without those provisions. Clinton (and Kennedy and most other Democrats) voted yes. The bill then went to a House-Senate conference to work out the differences in the bill. The conference version contained the House provision on groundwater. Sanders voted no. Clinton voted no (as did a number of Democrats who had voted yes on the original Senate version without the groundwater provision).

[onenote]

55. Sanders did not vote three times. He voted no on the original House version and no on the conference

report version.

Clinton voted yes on the Senate version, which differed substantially from the House version and then voted no on the conference report version, which more closely resembled the House-passed version than the Senate version.

Hope this helps.

[passiveporcupine]

60. thanks

I think I had too many tabs open to keep them all straight!

[onenote]

56. No she voted Nay after voting Yea on a different version of the bill.

The changes to the final bill made it resemble the House version more closely than the Senate version, so Clinton and others (such as Kennedy) dropped their support for the bill because it included House-passed provisions with which they disagreed.

[blackspade]

16. Siding with polluters....

What a surprise....

[AtheistCrusader]

23. Why not link to the final vote on the reconciled bill before it went to the President?

One does wonder...

[merrily]

50. Jury results. I am leaving this here because I can't reply to a hidden post and here is close.

Looks like she was amongst good company with her vote
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1412448
.

BernBots? This derogatory term is over-the-top and needs to go.

JURY RESULTS

the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I vote to hide because of the last two sentences of the post, not because of the term "Bern bots."
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The point was a good one, til the name calling. I've seen the similar Hillary term when it wasn't hidden. It should have been. There is just no place for that in a civil discussion.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[onenote]

54. Here you go: the final conference version and the differing House and Senate versions

https://www.congress.gov/109/crpt/hrpt190/CRPT-109hrpt190.pdf

This is the version Clinton and Sanders both opposed.


The June version that Clinton voted for is here:http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00158

The April version that Sanders voted against is here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6/text/eh

The groundwater provision cited above appears in the conference version (which Clinton and Sanders opposed) and in the House version that Sanders opposed. It was not in the Senate version that Clinton voted for.

Hope this helps.

[AtheistCrusader]

62. Thank you. Unwinding this shit is nearly impossible.

You ever see 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back'? When they run into a billboard that looks like a road, and Jay says 'Man, I hate how fake Hollywood is.'.

Substitute 'Congress' for 'Hollywood'.

They should be using a code repository like Team Foundation Server or Jira to manage this shit.

[UglyGreed]

24. And people wonder why

some don't trust her

[George II]

29. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the situation in Flint, Michigan.

The water in Flint was not contaminated when it left the ground.

[NurseJackie]

31. Ha!! :-D (You'll have to do better than that! Time's running out. Tick-tock!)

Time is not on Bernie's side.

[JTFrog]

35. I'm sure you're shocked, but jury results:

On Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:42 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Ha!! :-D (You'll have to do better than that! Time's running out. Tick-tock!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1412629

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Ageism isn't acceptable on DU

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:51 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Talk about a reach
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Argh! Every damned jury I get on is about some shit in GDP. How about we disable the ability to alert there? I vote to leave this in the hopes that the combatants will help the rest of out by defeating each other simultaneously.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Could be Bernie's old. Could be he's losing the race and there isn't much time left to turn things around. It's not clear, so I'm not hiding.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: as abrasive as this poster can be, this isn't an example of ageism. Everybody here needs to stop using the "isms" as an excuse to be insulted.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wow... I hope the admins are paying attention to who alerted this. This kind of misleading alert is a sign of alert stalking. A reference to the amount of time left to get the delegates he needs to win this thing has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with Bernie's age.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


I always love the ones that add explanations opposite their vote, lol.

[NurseJackie]

37. "Ageism" ?? :-/ How amusing. And sad. But mostly amusing.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

[SoapBox]

33. She REALLY leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The stuff with her never ends...flip flop, shape shifting and just flat out lying.

Baggage, baggage, baggage.

No...More...Clintons.

[Uncle Joe]

39. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, AzDar.

[jsmirman]

45. This is a nonstarter

see this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511410867#post7

It explains that you've got this wrong.

[John Poet]

47. As usual, Hillary SAYS one thing but does another.

I look forward to next Wednesday, after which she'll stay the fuck out of my state for a while.

[cui bono]

48. I hope that gets brought up along with all her pushing for fracking.

[yourpaljoey]

51. more and more and more

[Jitter65]

52. Yeah, 11 years ago. nt

[me b zola]

57. While campaigning she sometimes says the things that we want to hear

...which is often in direct opposition to what her policies actually are.

[ibegurpard]

58. course she did

I would expect nothing different

[sellitman]

59. Darn pesky facts

Egg...meet Hillary's face

[AzDar]

61. The hypocrisy...mindblowing.

[onenote]

63. as demonstrated elsewhere in this thread: Sanders and Clinton were on the same page

Sanders voted against the House version.
Clinton voted for a Senate version that differed significantly from the House version. When the conference committee version accepted most of the House provisions, including the groundwater provision that was not in the Senate bill Clinton voted for, she voted against that version (as did Sanders).

[Octafish]

64. Gee. That law is how Dick Cheney FRACKED America

"Scientific advisory panels at the Department of Energy and the EPA have enumerated ways the industry could improve and have called for modest steps, such as establishing maximum contaminant levels allowed in water for all the chemicals used in fracking. Unfortunately, these recommendations do not address the biggest loophole of all. In 2005 Congress—at the behest of then Vice President Dick Cheney, a former CEO of gas driller Halliburton—exempted fracking from regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act. Congress needs to close this so-called Halliburton loophole, as a bill co-sponsored by New York State Representative Maurice Hinchey would do. The FRAC Act would also mandate public disclosure of all chemicals used in fracking across the nation."

-- Scientific American, Nov. 2011, "Safety First, Fracking Second"