2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEnough already with the threads plumbing the depths of the POC psyche
Can we please agree to knock it off with these threads? Every morning I open up GDP and find several more. They are tedious, often condescending, and--I suspect--often consist of a lot of white people sitting around mulling over why black and brown voters support one candidate over another, or vice versa. These threads tend to treat minority voters as a monolithic bloc, and imply that they somehow "owe" their vote more to one candidate than another. It's distasteful. People support whomever they support. They don't owe anyone an explanation. Particularly if we are not part of that segment of the voting public ourselves, we ought not spend our time speculating about the subject.
Let me go by way of comparison: I'm a white guy. I'm also a Bernie supporter. I don't spend my time giving a lot of thought to why Bernie didn't earn more of the black vote in the south, or trying to tell anyone they are voting against their own interests. You know why? Because I'm me. Not someone else. It's not my job, and even though I think I might have a good idea about the interests of others, in reality I have no idea.
By way of another comparison: I'm also a Muslim. According to at least one poll, American Muslims say they are more likely, on the whole, to vote for Hillary even though they like Bernie better as a candidate. Is it fair for me to give input on that, or to raise it as a discussion point? Yeah. Should lots of non-Muslims talk about this like Muslims aren't in the room, and explain to me why Bernie is a better candidate for American Muslims? Nope. That's our conversation to have, not yours (assuming you're non-Muslim). Same deal, then, when it comes to the voting habits of POC.
I hope people on both sides of the DU aisle can agree that it's time to put the quash on most of the non-academic threads on voting among minority groups, particularly in the way they are often framed. (I'm not saying all threads on the subject, there are obviously exceptions: If someone said, "Hey, I'm a white guy, and I'd like to know what might make candidate X more appealing if you're a black voter," that's fair. I think reasonable people know exactly what kind of threads I'm singling out here as problems.)
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I'm a Bernie supporter as well.
It's great if people respect Bernie's record including his civil rights work as a young man. I respect it too.
Discuss why you respect it. But don't lecture black people about how Bernie is awesome or imply anybody owes a vote to anybody for any reason.
Please no posts implying Stockholm Syndrome or slave mentality. People have their own reasons. Respect that.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)When you've got someone calling you a slave for trying to advocate civility, and at least to unify until after Election Day because you're "obviously affected by the master/slave relationship", it gets a little bit past infuriating.
jillan
(39,451 posts)people
http://www.centrictv.com/news-views/business-finance/articles/2015/10/26/russell-simmons-slapped-with-class-action-suit-for-rushcard-scandal.html
RUSSELL SIMMONS SLAPPED WITH CLASS ACTION SUIT OVER RUSHCARD SCANDAL
He deals in those pre-paid cards and is making a fortune.
Of course he supports Hillary.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Ugh.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that I find far more annoying, the denial of one's identity if one is not perceived to be part of the cause.
The other one that annoys me, is the "I am talking for all PoC.." no you are not. I would never, make that claim for Latinos for example.
What this is... well I will name it, race baiting. I personally find it disgusting.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Huerta incident occurred. It's unreal.
The only time I have ever seen this much race-baiting was when Obama was running for President, and that came from the republicans
It is race-baiting and enough is enough.