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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:25 PM Mar 2016

Bernie is attracting conservative primary voters who want 'less liberal' policies

By Ed Kilgore

Amidst all of the talk about the legitimately important phenomenon of self-identified liberals (or "very" liberals) showing up in the Democratic presidential primaries, there's something in the shadows that also should be noted: Bernie Sanders is receiving significant support from the small but (in some states) significant share of Democratic primary voters who do not identify as liberal or as moderate, but as conservative.

In Oklahoma, Sanders's most impressive Super Tuesday trophy, 19 percent of Democratic primary voters described themselves as "conservative." They went for Bernie 54/22. Coming at ideology from another angle, 28 percent of Oklahoma primary voters said they'd prefer the next president "change to less liberal policies" than Obama's. They went for Sanders 59/24.

In Massachusetts, there weren't enough self-described "conservatives" in the exit poll sample to create a candidate preference finding. But asked the same question as in Oklahoma about the policies of the next president, 16 percent opted for "less liberal policies." They went for Sanders 60-38.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/sanders-attracting-conservative-primary-voters.html

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Bernie is attracting conservative primary voters who want 'less liberal' policies (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 OP
It's a puzzling phenomenon. I wonder what they're thinking. Sure is strange. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #1
Interesting poll from late last year: Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #2
"DU is not representative of the real world." NurseJackie Mar 2016 #4
They prefer honesty, it isn't that hard to figure out if you bother looking. timmymoff Mar 2016 #9
Who are they? Conservatives? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #10
blue dogs timmymoff Mar 2016 #24
I think they're confused b/c their party has been calling Hillary BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #15
You may be on to something. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #22
Democrats stood by and allowed the pukes to make ''Liberal'' a dirty word. Octafish Mar 2016 #3
I welcome their unwitting support and ultimate disillusion whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #5
^ This. AzDar Mar 2016 #13
I grew up in Oklahoma, earlier 60's. Everybody liked their grandma, no one wanted her as President. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #6
"We, as Democrats right now, should tap into the discontent of Republicans. I want some Obama Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #7
So electability is a bad thing now? I can't keep up. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #8
yes, what is the list now... GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #20
Interesting comments there thesquanderer Mar 2016 #11
Good excerpts... Populism is favored by lots of voters vintx Mar 2016 #17
But even in South Carolina he got more votes from self-described "very liberal" Vattel Mar 2016 #12
Hillary has attracted the likes of UglyGreed Mar 2016 #14
There is a phenomenon where people are choosing someone they trust more but agree with less on the Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #16
This. OZi Mar 2016 #19
Talk about something that flies in the face of DU "wisdom" Number23 Mar 2016 #18
Explains part of how Sanders polls so much better against Trump than Clinton does. GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #21
This is not as surprising as you might think democrattotheend Mar 2016 #23
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. Interesting poll from late last year:
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016

Very liberal voters have preferred Hillary.

DU is not representative of the real world.

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Hillary Clinton leads with 56% to 28% for Bernie Sanders and 9% for Martin O'Malley. Clinton has dropped slightly since our last poll from 59% to 56%, while Sanders (26% to 28%) and O'Malley (7% to 9%) have each seen 2 point gains in their support. Clinton leads with every group we track. The race is closer among younger voters (50/35), white voters (51/33), and 'very liberal' voters (55/36). Clinton has more dominant advantages with seniors (68/21), African Americans (67/17), and voters who identify as just 'somewhat liberal' (65/23).

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/12/trump-leads-grows-nationally-41-of-his-voters-want-to-bomb-country-from-aladdin-clinton-maintains-bi.html

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
15. I think they're confused b/c their party has been calling Hillary
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

a socialist, communist, etc., etc., for over 20 years, so they figure she must be bad, and therefore the enemy of my enemy is my friend? That's my interpretation. Very odd though.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
6. I grew up in Oklahoma, earlier 60's. Everybody liked their grandma, no one wanted her as President.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:43 PM
Mar 2016

Oklahoma still has 882,686 registered Democrats. Those in my family are pretty conservative. I would not be surprised if they made their choice becasue Sanders is a man. The vast majority of my Oklahoma family will vote for the Republican in November.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. "We, as Democrats right now, should tap into the discontent of Republicans. I want some Obama
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

Republicans." - Presidential candidate Barack Obama, in the year 2008.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
8. So electability is a bad thing now? I can't keep up.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

People want populist change and they are going to vote for it in the general election.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
20. yes, what is the list now...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:31 PM
Mar 2016

small donors,
states outside the South,
independents,
young people,
people who don't watch cable news

and now

crossover electability are "bad"

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
11. Interesting comments there
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:40 PM
Mar 2016

like...

Conservative for Sanders here. The main reason I'm supporting him is because he's the only genuine candidate and the only one attempting to make an end to political corruption while his rival is corruption incarnate. The Republicans are the same except not subject of a criminal investigation.

Fixing a broken system is more important than sticking to strict conservative or liberal lines.


and

The big theme in both parties is anti-establishment, which boils down to being opposed to Wall Street's domination of American economic and political life. So that 's the potential crossover connection from amorphous rightist nihilism to Bernie's more positive program. If Bernie embraces a program transferring economic power from Wall Street to Main Street, he can create the needed bridge.
 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
17. Good excerpts... Populism is favored by lots of voters
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:59 PM
Mar 2016

and that's what Bernie offers, or so it seems to me.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
14. Hillary has attracted the likes of
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:50 PM
Mar 2016

Ben Stein, Christy todd Whitman, Max Boot and of course her old pal Henry Kissinger to name a few..... but that is good.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
16. There is a phenomenon where people are choosing someone they trust more but agree with less on the
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 06:57 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:54 PM - Edit history (1)

issues because their faith in the government has plummeted to a dishearteningly low level.

This is why some conservative voters are nevertheless supporting Sanders - they may not agree with him on all issues but they don't feel like he is lying to them.

OZi

(155 posts)
19. This.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:22 PM
Mar 2016

I would also add that getting money's influence out of politics and doing away with legalized bribery shouldn't be pigeonholed. i.e. neither ignored nor locked into a specific political leaning.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
18. Talk about something that flies in the face of DU "wisdom"
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:17 PM
Mar 2016

But this has been noted over and over and over again. Hillary is doing and has always done exceptionally well among liberals.

Interesting. K&R

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
23. This is not as surprising as you might think
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

FWIW, my libertarian boyfriend said that he would prefer Sanders over Clinton or Trump because he thinks Sanders is at least honest and not in the pocket of Wall Street. I have not been able to convince him to switch his registration and vote for him in the primary, but there may be other people like him who are doing so.

A few of these votes may be coming from Republicans who are voting for Sanders because they think he will be a weaker general election candidate, but given how intense the competition is on the Republican side I would doubt there would be a lot of strategic crossovers.

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