2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton wants to end private sector prisons
I've seen some here claim otherwise. Looks like they're wrong.
After seven years of promises, President Obama again vowed last week to close Guantanamo Bay, but for Hillary Clinton, if elected president, another prison-closure issue may loom larger and be as tough to solve: the growth of for-profit privately run prisons across the U.S.
The for-profit prison industry is estimated at $7 billion to $8 billion, and both Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vermont) have spoken forcefully Sanders even more so than Clinton about a desire to phase out private prisons as part of the U.S. criminal system.
"In my view, corporations should not be allowed to make a profit by building more jails and keeping more Americans behind bars," Senator Sanders recently said. "Criminal justice and public safety are, without a doubt, the responsibility of the citizens of our country, not private corporations, and they should be carried out by those who answer to voters, not those who answer to investors."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/money/dollar7-billion-sector-clinton-wants-to-put-to-death/ar-BBqlDZc
thereismore
(13,326 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)No wait a second he isn't. Facts are stubborn things.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)the GOP telling them lies. She is leading thanks to DNC being bought and paid for by lobbyist. For heaven sake our great DNC chair just supported a Bill that GOP is pushing that allows loan shark interest rates on consumers. Is this forum not suppose to a liberal place? Or am I insane.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...but I think they've got so much emotional capital invested in Clinton, that they can't even fathom walking way now. No matter how wrong it all feels.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I should have said some Hillary supporters. I'll correct it now. Thanks.
polly7
(20,582 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Good drawing, yours?
polly7
(20,582 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)It is funny.
TYY
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)So she'll lower their massive profits from imprisoning as many as possible & of course, she'll legalize pot.
That makes Sullivan the second-most prolific lobbyist-bundler for the Clinton campaign, beaten out only by D.C. lobbyist Heather Podesta, who's tallied up $348,581 so far.
Sullivan's firm, Capitol Counsel, has been registered for years to represent GEO Group subsidiary BI Inc.which focuses on electronic monitoring of inmates. While the firm continues to represent BI, Sullivan no longer intends to do so, according to a disclosure form filed with Congress on Nov. 9.
The figures and the policy rejecting donations from prison lobbyists includes only direct donations to Clinton's campaign, not supportive super PACs or state and federal Democratic committees.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/02/clinton-campaign-gives-private-prison-lobbyist-cash-to-charity-218524#ixzz41zR7B0d1
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)has never spoken out on this until now. Worse she has received tons of money from the private prison lobby. Even worse she supported her husband's policies in the 1990's that CREATED the private prison industry.
And now she is doing so because of Sanders and her polling in Michigan obviously.
She flip flops constantly. As usual, she is a day short and a dollar shy. I don't trust she will not pivot right back once elected.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)Look it up.
TM99
(8,352 posts)then because last year she was also receiving private prison industry money and endorsements.
You do know that makes it even worse, right?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)Clinton did not cut ties until October of last year after much criticism was rightfully leveled against her.
It was in the news.
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It ain't gonna happen.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Read it carefully. She doesn't want to end private prisons.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Read thread further posts down say no it was not and the actually provided news sources not a Clinton talking point.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...that dog won't hunt. At one point and time, Clinton took funds from lobyists and/or PACs representing private prison companies.
So now she won't do it. FINE! But she did used to take money from the private prison industry, per her own campaign.
Clinton To Cut Ties With Private Prison Industry
OCT 23, 2015 11:45 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/23/3715544/clinton-private-prisons/
On Friday morning, the campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton announced they will no longer accept donations from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.
Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group could both see their fortunes turning if there are fewer people to lock up in the future.
Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as bundlers for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.
Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.
As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.
Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)She's not? I'm shocked!
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)eom
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)I'm sure they've gotten assurances.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...the private prison industry??
And that means her words are outrageous and meaningless.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)Just a suggestion.
merrily
(45,251 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Outside of the title and one sentence saying she'll dismantle- the article was about Bernie and what he said.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)those positions are intended to change the political dynamic, so that disaffected and independent voters return to the polls.
See, your side is the one insisting Sanders's proposals are iron-clad promises. We aren't.
What's all the more amusing is you refuse to apply this same analysis to Clinton proposals. How, specifically, she going to get Congress and Republican state legislatures to expand the ACA?
She can't. Yet you refuse to deride her equally-impossible "promises".
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Yeah, I know. She went down to Wall Street and told them to cut it out. That proves she's incorruptible and disproves all indications to the contrary.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Republicans are opposing them for cost. As Hillary was getting ready for this run, Bubba said he was wrong. one of very few things he has admitted that about. I'm sure it's not because Republicans now oppose them too or that his wife was about to run for POTUS. I'm so tired of people pointing to random coincidences like that, as though this stuff is calculated up the yin yang.
polly7
(20,582 posts)that helped to make it such a problem.
Stop Locking Up Children, Americans Say
Published on
Thursday, March 03, 2016
by Common Dreams
'The things were doing arent just wrong because were doing them to kids, theyre wrong because were doing them to humans'
by Nika Knight, staff writer
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54,000 youth are incarcerated in juvenile prisons in America on any given day, according to a new campaign to reform the system. (Photo: Richard Ross/Youth First)
"Youth First argues that the current system "isn't safe, isn't fair, and doesn't work" and advocates for a new model of treatment for youth convicted of crimes, including involving family in a treatment plan that emphasizes rehabilitation and prevention. The group also argues for closing incarceration facilities and using the resultant savings to fund new community-based programs."
"Support for Youth First's reform proposals was robust even among those who have been victims of crime and those who have family members who have been victims, the poll found. Crime victims do not support the "tough on crime" rhetoric and punishment-based programs that were touted by U.S. politicians in recent decades, which were responsible for the corresponding dramatic rise in juvenile incarceration rates, the group said."
snip~
"Beaver described mentally ill children being placed in isolation units in lieu of treatment, legally-mandated school hours being called off for days at a time because of "lack of security staff," and kids doing nothing for 12 hours a day but sitting in a tiny windowless room watching "a box TV with about four channels." This is not to mention the violence, the ever-present threats of sexual assault, and the prevalent use of chemical and physical restraints by correctional officers in youth detention centers also cited by Youth First in its reform initiative."
"Youth First also announced the release of an online mapping tool that allows visitors to explore the racial disparities of youth incarcerationchildren of color are incarcerated at far higher rates than white children charged with the same crime, the data showed. Its mapping tool also brings to light the surprising number of enormous detention centers built for children in the 19th century that are still in use today."
Full article: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/03/stop-locking-children-americans-say
bbm. I truly hope she addresses this as well.
merrily
(45,251 posts)speaks volumes, as does your article.
polly7
(20,582 posts)that ruin lives - sometimes forever. To see them addressed by 'anyone' would be so great. But it's difficult to believe she really cares that much about it all of a sudden - especially after receiving money from those profiting from it. jmho.
merrily
(45,251 posts)"partnerships," which too often means public tax dollars and private profits.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I know who means it and who merely claims it.
coyote
(1,561 posts)She could take more populist views than Bernie and I still will not vote for her...she will say anything to get elected.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)has played clever word games so many times that now I don't believe anything she says.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)to need to get a Trump at bottom of some body water with cement shoes, because thanks to efforts DNC and M$M are doing to Sanders many people are going to sit out.
coyote
(1,561 posts)she represents everything that's wrong with the system not only to the right but to the left. The DNC is totally underestimating the people's anger in this election, thus the manifestation of both Trump and Bernie.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)well.... maybe when it's politically expedient (meaning her competition is getting a lot of support for this view which he has ALWAYS maintained) she does.
So "looks like they're wrong" or maybe, not so much.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)and if the tragedy occurs and she becomes the Nom - she'll be FOR Them again
Talk is Cheap.