2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Evolution Alert: Now she has always opposed NAFTA and free trade...
Please disregard all prior quotes and videos referring to NAFTA as "important legislation" until instructed to reinstate these positions, likely in early November.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-speech-message-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-220287#ixzz4217MAAOr
A timeline of Hillary Clinton's evolution on trade:
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)TIRELESS I tell you! (Please ignore her actual record...)
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)DO YA??
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
A person who takes on various positions, changing mannerisms and behaviors to placate their audience, is
POLYMORPHIC
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/polymorphism
.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)... Is her natural state.
dchill
(38,532 posts)She has no other defining principle. Some of us still remember her 2008 campaign.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...in one way or another for over 25 years. Everything she has done since Bill was POTUS - AND INCLUDING BILL AS POTUS - has been leading to and in preparation for Hillary Clinton as POTUS. She doesn't just want this. NO, this is her lifedream, her purpose, her entire reason for being. Hillary Clinton believes she is destined to be the first female POTUS, and woe be it unto ANYONE that would get in the way. Again, I am as serious as a heart attack.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Worst SOS ever.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)All your political positions are belong to us. - HRC, this and every other election.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Try not to keep tabs on what her positions are at the moment (too big a chance you could be wrong! Case in point the FoxNews town hall!). Just proudly proclaim your support and declare you're with her!
jfern
(5,204 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)When she was such an ineffective "voice in the room" against the free-trade excesses of her husband's administration (hey that's what they're claiming).
jfern
(5,204 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)"Hey guys... cut it out!" Wall Street stories...
jfern
(5,204 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)When you deny you support the issue you most consistently vote and lobby for...well, there's no hope for you as a trustworthy human being.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Orwell turns in his grave that we never headed his warnings.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Just vote for me, you damn proles. I need to get elected. I need to be the first woman President. That is all.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Because there is nothing else about her that is remotely inspiring to anyone.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)It's the best reason to vote for her in the GE, if she wins the nomination.
jfern
(5,204 posts)is the Supreme Court.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)She would appoint industry insiders, corporate and insurance attorneys/judges, to be her "liberal" justices.
eilen
(4,950 posts)(the being female part..)
jfern
(5,204 posts)Not that there's anything wrong with flip flopping your gender.
bvf
(6,604 posts)in the face of the sniper fire she encountered in Bosnia.
Damn! The courage that must have taken!
jfern
(5,204 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)As if our mutual possession of a vagina is somehow supposed to offset her noxious devotion to Wall Street and her utter lack of character. Fuck that. No dinner, no movie, no lube.
Phil1934
(49 posts)she will be to the left of Bernie by Nov. Too bad it is only campaign talk.
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)Come on. She can't honestly think the American people are this forgetful. If the American can't see right through this, then I think we have a bigger problem as a society. Please wake up Democrats. Stop putting her on this pedestal. She has proven time and time again, her interests are in helping her friends get rich and lining her and Bill's pockets. It's disgusting.
Broward
(1,976 posts)eilen
(4,950 posts)The Democrats That Matter Inc. have all but handed her the crown and flowers. Even The Republicans That Matter Inc. speak with calm assurance that she is the candidate. Listening to interviews at CPAC, people like David Frum and just about everyone else basically stated she had it in the bag on Potus Politics channel on Sirius. The signal has been received by DC insiders. Everyone is just jockeying for position now, dissenters are penalized.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Same Old Same Old
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)To follow a candidate like this. Pathetic.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)They remember getting a home, job advancement and good pay. They also remember that big corporations can take any good legislation and work the system and turn it into something really horrendous through their ties to conservative politicians in their state capitols and in DC.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)etc.
That has been the "Clinton legacy" that has destroyed the country. A lot of cheerleaders seem to forget that, to gloss over it. But like Bush, you have to look at the ugly things too or you are no better than they are.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)As everyone in this race clearly knows.
She's all over the place.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)The Clintons seem to have very flexible definitions when it comes to certain words...
bvf
(6,604 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Something is terribly broken in the Democratic Party.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)her lying corporatist whoremonger
Broward
(1,976 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Nope.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Clinton said "great things about NAFTA until she started running for president."
Barack Obama on Sunday, February 24th, 2008 in Lorain, Ohio
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)All Bernie needs to do is sit down and grab a steak knife.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)"food for thought/observation/opinion" piece.
https://pivotamerica.com/2016/03/04/democratic-establishment-preparing-cut-ties-hillary-clinton/
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I also found Pelosi's declaration that this primary needs to go to California very interesting.
I've wondered if Hillary has been trying to force Sanders out and "lock up" the primary to discourage any legal action against herself. If so, Pelosi just said which is fascinating.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)She changes positions and views so many times.
I think it has to do with her insecurity and always trying to please everyone.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Instead they were too busy Selling the Illusion
She has Zero credibility on this issue.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Truly embarrassing...
djean111
(14,255 posts)What is just as offensive as her actual stances, and her spinning, is her blatant assumption that we are so stupid as to just take everything she spouts at face value.
How could the heads of other countries believe a word she says?
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)and the M$N won't tell them.
New Bumper sticker: Talk is Cheap. Hillary 2016
Raster
(20,998 posts)...Bernie Sanders supporters?
Do you have anything - references, links, ANYTHING - to support your statement that this is a "triangulated lie"?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)Oh, hey, I hear she also campaigned for Goldwater in an attempt to secretly undermine his campaign from within!
She was also always secretly against:
-Plan Colombia
-CAFTA
-PNTR with China
-Workfare
-DOMA
-The war in Iraq
-The Iraq sanctions
-The non-stop bombing of Iraq throughout Bill Clinton's tenure
-Regime change in Libya
-Regime change in Honduras
-Private prisons
-Deportation of Latin American children
She is currently secretly against:
-A no-fly zone over Syria
-The death penalty
-Continuing to keep marijuana on the CSA
-Taking massive amounts of money from corporate special interests
She is currently secretly for:
-A $15/hr federal minimum wage
-A single-payer healthcare system
-Unicorns
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)andym
(5,445 posts)From the time, Ross Perot warned Al Gore that we would here a "giant sucking sound" of jobs, mainstream Democrats have been on the wrong side of this issue, all the way to Pres. Obama. All I care about is that she now opposes free trade agreements. Good for her and us.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Sne would get right back to lobbying for the TPP if elected.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)The damage is done. Main Street is a ghost town.
deepestblue
(349 posts)Forward to 2:05:
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