Before things get nasty tonight....

[Adrahil]

I'd like to wish both candidates and their supporters good luck!

[Jefferson23]

1. +1..it is about the democratic process, yes. n/t

[Chasstev365]

3. Except that the DNC & corporate media

Haven't been very democratic towards Bernie' campaign, have they?

[Jefferson23]

7. Oh believe me I know, I am responding to the good will the DU member is extending. n/t

[beachbum bob]

2. the results will be what they will be

hillary will expand popular vote and delegate count...sanders supporters will say the surge is still coming....

[TrueDemVA]

33. It's like a tick or something

Even when someone is being nice, you just can't help but sound like a douche. Not saying you are one, but let's just say you exhibit douche-like qualities. It's okay. I still wish you luck tonight.

[grossproffit]

4. Nice post!

[Loki]

5. Let's stay classy!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

46. May we all get what we deserve tonight!

[Loki]

47. Yes, we shall.

Anything but a Republican!

[longship]

6. I am for Bernie, voted for him today in MI.

However, I am both a progressive and a loyal Democrat.

That means that I will support and vote for the Democratic nominee in November.

Apparently the DU Bernie Sanders group disagrees with that sentiment since they banned me from their forum for taking a stance of supporting the DU TOS.

This is a candidate forum which supports the violations of the DU TOS!!! Screw them. I don't need them to support my candidate, Bernie Sanders.

[obamanut2012]

8. I'll also vote for the Dem nom in November

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Hillary or Bernie.

you're a class act, and I really mean that.

[longship]

10. Thank you very much.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. So you know there is a clear division happening

and it is also in the real world

I expect the CA democratic party to lose 2-3 percent of registered voters by the end of this. They would lose more if people had to register to vote in the primary. This is a political reality.

[longship]

13. Yup! How in the Sam Hell does anybody think this is a good strategy?

And DUers should know this by now.

I am for the immediate disbanding of the DU candidate forums. They serve absolutely no purpose other than to divide us. I could not conceive a more perfect strategy for a Democratic loss in November.

Divide and conquer. And we are doing it to ourselves!!!!

[Amimnoch]

14. do look closer.

It's easy to see the noise, and miss the peace between it.

There are vicious posters on both sides.

There are good posters who are trying to stay on the positive on both sides.

I also believe the the majority likely stays silent to avoid the attacks of the former.

[longship]

18. But to ban a supporter on one post that supports the DU TOS??

Really? Really????

It wasn't because I did not support Bernie, it was because I did not support one of their frequent posters who was PPR'd because of a flagrant violation of the DU TOS which Skinner had made abundantly clear was an absolute No-No.

The DU Bernie Sanders group by their actions supports DU TOS violations!

I still support Bernie. I just don't support the idiots hosting the Bernie Sanders group.

[Amimnoch]

22. it's primary season. Take some comfort that our candidates elicit passion.

Believe me I feel your pain

I've been on time out 2x this primary season myself... I do admit some of those hides I deserved... others were obvious post stalking. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre.

In the end, we have 2 great candidates. I do believe most of us on both sides do want the same progressive and liberal advancements in our society, so really we're still on the same side. Everyone has their favorite for their own reasons, and most take it personally when they see something they feel is unjust being lobbed at their candidate.

[longship]

25. I have exactly one hide in my years here.

I adjusted my behavior since that hide. I have very few juries since, fewer than I can count on one hand.

I try to be polite, which is always advised. But my posts almost never get alerted, which is my measure of doing some semblance of a good job here.

Too many DUers see alerts and hides as a merit badge of honor. I do not.

My best to you.

[Loki]

52. I beat you,

Been here since 2001 and never had a hide or a ban until this year. Oh well, I think I will survive.

[longship]

55. My advice. Always be polite when one sticks the knife in.

I always let my opponents have an out. And I am nearly universally polite, even in disagreement.

The only exception to that is science. I have a rather low tolerance to pseudoscience here. But that is my strong suit, math and physics. So I give little gap there.

My best to you.

[RoccoR5955]

26. I didn't even violate anything

All I discussed was an issue that Clinton has an issue with, back when Bernie first declared.
They locked me out of the Clinton group FOR NO GOOD REASON!
At least you can see where you violated TOS, and probably should have gotten tossed out!

[longship]

34. I can still post in the Hillary group.

But I am also banned from the Elizabeth Warren group for posting that she had repeatedly said that she was not interested in running for president (which was true).

The bleating at the time in that group was "Elizabeth Warren 2016!!! Yes she is!!! Yes she is!!!! (She's lying about her candidacy!!!)" I called them delusional about her candidacy. They did not like that. It was nevertheless true.

I won't discuss my banning from the Bernie group except to say that I supported a DUer's banning, when he was a Bernie group "member". BTW, he rather flagrantly violated the DU TOS.

How does one become a Bernie Sanders group member? Well, here is how it goes...

1. One has to support Bernie Sanders. Check!

2. One has to support every DUer who also supports Bernie Sanders, especially if they post in the Bernie Sanders secret clubhouse, and even if they don't abide by the Democratic Underground rules. Of course, none of this is in the Bernie Sanders Group's SOP. There is nothing that says supporting the DU TOS is against the group's SOP.

That is why I call for disbanding of all candidate groups. They serve absolutely no purpose than to divide us. They even ban fellow supporters for supporting the greater goal of electing more Democrats and not dividing us.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

48. Same thing here. No love lost, and I'm not missing it.

[litlbilly]

43. I do think we mistake passionate for vicous sometimes.

[longship]

60. As one can tell, I have decided to fight the battle.

I will defend my right to have people get along here if I am the last DUer alive!!!

Or something...


My best to all of you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. There is an undercurrent used in two other elections

one was 2008, the other was actually JFK. The more that I think about it.

What do these three have in common? Let me see
A Catholic
An African American
A Jew

I will let you reach the conclusion that people should be reaching, Not that I expect that. People will not realize this is going on well after the dust has settled.

I mostly do not participate in one, and would be blocked from the other, And quite a bit of the division is coming from a third, and I wear that ban with pride at this point.

[Adrahil]

19. Honestly, imdo not believe that a bit.

The fact that Bernie is Jewish is not an issue for any Democrat I know.

Not saying there isn't any anti-semitism, just saying I don't see it at work here.

Not to mention... Hillary will be the first woman nominated for President by a major party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. M'kay

I have heard this, in real life. So I will take that... sorry. As to her, there are multiple issues why people do not like her. The least of people's concerns though is her gender. That is because people still remember...

[Arazi]

23. Oh it's certainly been here. I've personally seen it

[Warren DeMontague]

27. when some people say "well..... I just don't like him" my detector goes nuts.

I have no doubt that there's some misogyny at play against HRC, too, however her supporters too often try to make that the narrative to shut down any and all legitimate criticism.

[Adrahil]

30. I don't doubt it's out there...

I just don't think it's driving enough people to really matter.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I think some of these things operate at a subconscious level--

As, absolutely, does something like misogyny.

I've really tried to check myself- and certainly my wife has helped me on this- as to whether I am judging HRC unfairly or projecting unconscious biases onto her due to her gender, for instance. Like, I know if I were to characterize her as "shrill" that would be an obvious one, but I already wouldnt do that. I do think she has real problems in natural political ability, stump presence and connecting with crowds, but I would make the exact same critique of someone like Al Gore. I dont think that issue is connected to her gender, so much, rather more her style and ease of presentation. My wife disagrees with me on that one to some extent.

I think it - misogyny and unconscious bias- is there, but the fact that some of her supporters have tried to make it an overarching theme of the campaign to the exclusion of substantive issues-based discussion doesnt help.

On the other hand, as you note, she's close to being the first female nominee of a major party, and that is a historical accomplishment which should not be ignored or undervalued.

As for Sanders and anti-semitism, i think there are numerous thorny issues as to why it is almost never discussed, but I think it has been a far bigger factor than many want to acknowledge. There has been a lot of red flag type discussion, things about "churchgoing" and "he's not one of us", not to mention people wanting to make an issue of his agnosticism or atheism, which to my mind is beyond the pale for an actual progressive...

...although Ive known for a while we have religious right members masquerading as liberals but promoting a culturally conservative, repressive agenda.

[question everything]

57. You may want to ask the administrator, in the forum listed on the right

but it won't happen.

[longship]

17. Yup! I know that is a big problem.

At just after 2 PM I was the 27th Democratic voter in my township today, in very rural Michigan. That does not bode well even considering that all my neighbors are crazy theocrats. Thankfully there aren't too many of them here in the midst of the national forest, where no paved roads appear. Unfortunately, there are far fewer Democrats.

As always,

[NCTraveler]

37. Very righteous post and I have a lot of respect for it.

My only post in the Sanders group. I was banned minutes after making it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099

No sweat and I still like a number of his supporters here and think he himself is a good man.

[fun n serious]

41. You're awesome.

We are all about loyalty.

[joshcryer]

44. Sanders "supporters."

You're one of the best Sanders supporter here, I can't believe you got blocked. Show one ounce ounce of integrity and you're gone. This is the most depressing cycle I've ever had.

[Loki]

49. Sorry for that longship.

We all want what is going to be good for this country and either candidate fills that qualification. It's to the barricades mon amie, No More Republicans!

[Madam Mossfern]

64. All this banning.....

I'm banned from the Clinton forum.

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. We have two great candidates

It's a nice thing!

[stonecutter357]

12. K&R!

[DesertRat]

15. Kick!

[Raster]

20. Absolutely. We DO HAVE TWO GOOD CANDIDATES...

ANYONE that comes out of the Democratic Party is head and shoulders above the GOP.

[RoccoR5955]

24. It's not luck

It's good old fashioned hard work!

[Firebrand Gary]

28. Me too, good luck to everyone on the ballot and their supporters.

What our party offers, vs the GOP is the difference between hope and despair.

[Bubzer]

29. Thanks for that! Here's hoping the nastiness is kept to a minimum!

[NCTraveler]

31. Good luck to you as well adrahil.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. Super awesome post!

[denvine]

35. Thanks!

Nice post!

[IrishEyes]

36. Me too.

Unfortunately, I can't vote in my state for another month. Thank you to everyone who has voted in the primaries so far. Good luck to both candidates and may the best candidate win.

[sarge43]

38. Thank you. n/t

[Zambero]

39. The Democratic brand

Has never looked better. In watching the recent debates for candidates of both major parties, the contrast is staggering. I will absolutely support and vote for the party's nominee.

[AtomicKitten]

40. Cheers.

[Lazy Daisy]

42. Slainte

[Kaleva]

45. An early congrats to whoever wins tonight and well done to all who voted.

[shenmue]

50. Stop being decent and dignified

Kidding. Thank you.

[mountain grammy]

51. And good luck to you as well!

[potone]

53. Very civilized and kind of you.

Let us all thank the voters of Michigan who, from what I have read, seem to have turned out in large numbers to vote for their choice for nominee. Regardless of who wins, it is always a good think to have a large turnout. Without that, democracy cannot survive.

[Mbrow]

54. Thanks! K&R

[Jon Ace]

56. More posts like these please.

They'll pay dividends in November.

[WillyT]

58. You're A Better Person Than I...

Thank you for the reminder.

[aggiesal]

59. Go Bernie!, Go Bernie!, Go Bernie! ...

[PatrynXX]

62. pretty much gets nasty both ways

because be believe what we believe. but it's a bit late for that. think 2008 and 2016 are among the nastiests ever.

[40RatRod]

63. Wow! What a great thread,

And just when I was thinking about leaving DU.