2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe shameful Bernie race smear: Hillary supporters have played a dirty, dangerous game
"One key aspect that has been bubbling for a while now, spun off from the BernieBro label and not discussed like it needs to be, is the opponents or most acerbic critics of Sanders, intentionally or unintentionally, implying that his supporters have no noticeable racial diversity or that his campaign doesnt appeal to minority voters.
Whats so troubling about this enduring narrative is the disturbing insistence on completely ignoring or aggressively dismissing any of Bernies minority supporters who arent famous. Its a focused and determined echo on painting Sanders as truly representing only young or old white liberals, and that Sanders and his backers are unable to acknowledge or express white systemic privilege. And in either their strong support for Clinton or their unwillingness to fully analyze Sanders fairly or comprehensively on race, one of this elections deleterious aspects on the left can no longer be dismissed.
The toxicity of the Bernie is white and for whites only drive has become even more glaring over the last month, with cleverly crafted smears at Sanders hitting exactly the sustained narrative they wanted to hit and fueled by Clintons legacy domination of the black vote."
Hillary and her surrogates sure know how to divide people.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/12/the_shameful_bernie_race_smear_hillary_supporters_have_played_a_dirty_dangerous_game/
Metric System
(6,048 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)via pointless source shaming.
Opinion pieces that praise her are great; opinion pieces that don't praise her are dismissed. Typical double standards and deflection. Avoids the need to discuss substance.
marew
(1,588 posts)Paper Roses
(7,475 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Look it up...
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Andrew Jones's work has been published by Talking Points Memo, The Guardian, The Intercept, The Raw Story, Ebony Magazine and The Grio, among other publications
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)They have NO answers, only attacking messengers.
EMPTY.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)OK, and maybe you'll acknowledge that the corporate media is entirely "Pro-Clinton"?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Berniebroooooooooooooos!!!!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I doubt you even took the time to read it lol
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)What you posted in the OP had a fiber of truth and a lot of extrapolation, hyperbole, and conjured outrage.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)There's a lot more than that.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)This is what Limbaugh does. He finds some oddity, pretends it's a universal truth, and spends three hours going on and on.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I was around in 2008 and remember the pumas well
merrily
(45,251 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... is he now endorsing athletic underwear?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Your post however lacks a lot more than one letter.
mac56
(17,574 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)mac56
(17,574 posts)I know you are, but what am I?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)mac56
(17,574 posts)Jockstrap jokes are straight out of the seventh grade schoolyard.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)it's Hillary.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... and then read the OP again.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)1-If you don't want her to be called a liar, give me a better word for describing some one who dances around the truth rather then acknowledging it.
2-Rape enabler? Where the hell did that come from?
3-Same for Nixon...
4-She's the one who talks about her respect for Dr. Killing....I mean Dr. Kissinger. I thought that you wanted us to accept her words, how confusing.
So like I've had to ask repeatedly since the primary began, you honestly can't image a single reason a democratic voter might not want to vote for Hillary?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)"you honestly can't image a single reason a democratic voter might not want to vote for Hillary?"
You're kidding.
The Sander's crowd tosses up threads several times a day: "Reasons why I would never vote for Hillary Clinton." It's always the same stuff, so, yeah -- I recognize that HRC is not the choice of every DUer.
As for comments 2 and 3:
Rape enabler:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025126067
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017331306
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251871297
Comparison to Nixon:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280111976#post7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511207084#post19
That was without even trying.
Okay. I answered your questions. Have the last word.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's just a huge stew of hate up in here.
Poor admins. Their site is burning to the ground before their eyes....
New pejoratives are added every day, and I know exactly where they get them.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)That theme has been going on here since day one. Please keep pretending it isn't the constant drum beat at Camp Weather-vane.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The Sanders crowd at DU cheers every time the primaries move out of the South because he might not get anihilated and might actually pull off a tie.
Not good enough? Damned straight not good enough!
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Whilst proving mine.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)In the context of the OP (at least a tiny part of the opening premise), Sanders's ability to resonate with Black and other minority voters is close to zero. If you think that's a good thing, then Holy Crap!
If you disagree, then you're sleeping through this primary season.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)He wasn't too far off in a lot of areas in Michigan that are predominately POC areas, like Wayne and Geneosee counties. In Minnesota there was no difference at all between the Twin Cities area and the out state areas in how people voted. This gap will be non existent when California comes along.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)In areas where people remember the Black Panthers served breakfast, and where Clinton's superpredator advocacy did a lot of damage. Chicago, Oakland, Seattle, New York, like Detriot are nothing like the South.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I have met a lot of people in my urban area. Some from the South and I have noticed a different kind of attitude. That being said after I was explained the differences I don't blame em for wanting to go back home even though the South is very hard on people all people, but especially POC. They say people in general are better mannered (it is true in Tennessee anyways, I know first hand), the weather is a lot better (true as well) the food is better (yep). But, the trade off is to me anyway that it's a lot harder to fight the system. It's harder to organize. It's harder to be an activist. I have no idea why that is really, I just know where I was there wasn't a whole lot of activism that I could see. But, in Minneapolis it would be harder to not run into activists.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hillary's beltway hobnobs have no clue how to compete in the west, for instance.
50 million people live on the west coast and most of them support legal, regulated and taxed cannabis, and Hillary's answer to that has been "New Hampshire has a terrible heroin problem, I know"
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)...then HRC may have a challenge.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)this condescension bullshit has been working so well so far, like with Millennials.
There are 34 Million people in California, FYI, in case you've never made it across this great land any further west than New Jersey.
Legalization is strongly supported by craaaaazy hippies like Lt. Governor Newsom. Senators like Oregon's Jeff Merkeley. A majority of Americans.
They all must be high, derp.
Also, Colorado is a crucial electoral college swing state. Perhaps you've heard of those?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I still believe that to be true.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)and Hill supporters still keep saying "We aren't accusing Bernie of being racist, he just doesn't get race issues like Hillary does."
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Clinton supporters, but you find them in every "Bernie is tonedeaf" thread. Another stupid trick we are not supposed to notice.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Oh wait sorry my bad, that was Hillary.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I know you love hit and run posts, but the writer provided several examples to explain what they were referring to.
Disagreement is one thing but mindless sniping....not so much.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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Personal insults, continues on for many posts, a pure troll who's only motive is to disrupt DU.
The review was completed at Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:58 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
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merrily
(45,251 posts)Are you still claiming to be undecided or neutral or whatever it was that you claimed?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I removed you, begrudgingly, from my ignore list.
You'll be back on soon.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It's almost as though people don't realize they can put people on ignore without some childish announcement.
Especially when being on the ignore list of certain posters is a badge of honor.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I see you're shadowing me again today.
How are you? Having a good weekend so far? Enjoying my posts?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I can't understand the knee-jerk reaction of blocking people. It's not that serious... Unless someone calls you out of your name or something.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)No, she follows me around throwing out insults and nothing more. I don't need the annoyance, so I block her.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I didn't say under no circumstances. Just that people here do it for very little reason. I had someone say they are blocking me because she thinks I don't take constructive criticism well and she wasn't even in the convo. Just said that out of the blue.
So what was clever?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Also please remember that I wasn't calling you out particularly. Your post was just a catalyst for the point I was making.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Which was nothing but faux outrage over a non-issue.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Camp Weathervane seems to think they have a patent on the stuff.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)They are excited, engaged, very loud after Bernie's applause lines, and more diverse in the range of ages (9 to 90, as I've seen)... And, every day as momentum grows, mostly among the young, they remind each other that love trumps hate.
To smear Bernie supporters is a bit of a joke. I have it from the best Hillary supporters that they are also the hardest working volunteers you will find in the Democratic party. There is room for everyone, and smears make us take heart as to WHY there are smears.
Where are these minority supporters the media mentions?
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?3326-IGNORANT-Bernie-Bros-must-END-their-name-calling!!!&highlight=boston+Globe (The artist formerly known as MannyGoldstein)
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Haven't we been described nicely by the little round, brown dookies in the astroturf?
Merrily, I don't know what other tricks these phantom people have up their sleeves to shape what a vast number of Americans look like who want a future we can believe in... but, it will not stop the real political revolution that is growing.
Love Trumps Hate!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And they started pushing it almost immediately after Sanders announced to poison the well.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)exposed the deliberate smearing got their posts hidden for citing those facts.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Message
vintx
(1,748 posts)And it's true. We need to unite against those at the top who are exploiting all our differences to keep us from uniting against them.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Not only has the Congressional Black Caucus NOT endorsed Hillary Clinton, it WON'T endorse her. It won't endorse ANY candidate. Here's CBC PAC chair Rep. Gregory Meeks' explanation.
Moreover, I'm not even sure that Bernie would WANT an endorsement from the CBC's PAC, which comprises not only members of Congress, but also some lobbyists for some infamous businesses. Here's journalist Lee Fang's explanation:
And a significant percentage of the $7,000 raised this cycle by the CBC PAC [...] was donated by white lobbyists, including Vic Fazio, who represents Philip Morris and served for years as a lobbyist to Corrections Corporation of America, and David Adams, a former Clinton aide who now lobbies for Wal-Mart, the largest gun distributor in America.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I didn't realize the distinction between the two groups either.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)And you can be sure that the Clinton campaign had no incentive to clarify.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)the Hillary team choosing to do a LIE AGENDA.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)She's using the same tactics that she used against Obama. It's just that Bernie is white this time.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)realizes that she lost using these tactics last time? Reminds me of non-native language users speaking in their own tongue SLOWLY and LOUDLY to communicate.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Ditto the difference, in the 2016 primary, between Bernie and BLM and Hillary and BLM.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Sure.
I stand by my words. If you disagree, fine. Perhaps it's because you have no credibility.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Before commenting.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)authoritative voice on the very thing you can't know anything about because you refused to read it. You wish to both announce you have not read it and present yourself as the voice of reason about it. And that is simply not credible.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)To say it is unethical, is to judge it from outside of the culture that produced it.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)she struggles with truth telling like Bill did with keeping himself to her. It appears to be compulsive
http://grist.org/climate-energy/how-clinton-used-my-reporting-to-make-a-bogus-attack-on-sanders/
heaven05
(18,124 posts)by a certain campaign that economics is at the bottom of the racial animus in america, it seems like the same old "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" meme and forgetting about not being hired precisely because of the color of ones skin. Hillary and her connection to the mass incarceration/free labor pool doesn't make her a 'gem' either. It's coming down to the lesser of two evils vote again, for me
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The next round of voting is nearly here!
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I've been very respectful to you. There's no need to be dismissive.
That said. Even though I would like Bernie to have a higher delegate count. I'm very confident that Bernie will win.
Good luck!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But you are right. There's to much of that going around.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)very sparkly smugness...
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)In urban areas outsidd the South.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Only this time instead of a white lady launching negrophobia and islamophobia at a black man, it's a WASP calling a Jew a racist who only cares about money. Apparently the latter "catches" better among some democrats.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)ALERTER'S COMMENTS
It is disruptive and over-the-top to say that either of our candidates is 'just like Trump." Posts like this do not belong on DU.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 12, 2016, 01:35 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Just blatant nonsense that adds nothing to any cause besides ignorance
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Trump is an asshole. But he never voted for the Iraq war. Hillary did. Truth hurts.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wow and that post sounds just like something Hannity would say. I quess if this stands Bernie is just like Fidel would be OK too.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No she isn´t like Trump. But politics is a contact sport. This isn't Aunt Mary´s tea party.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't agree with the wording - neither of our candidates is "just like trump." I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they meant to phrase it like this: "She's similar to Trump in that she uses smears, lies, divisiveness and is a war monger." I don't want to hide it because of imprecise language, though - I'm going to assume they misspoke.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's not disruptive or over the top if it's true.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Of right wingers. She is a right winger. It's also why she's not very popular. Only way she can win is to muddy the water. That's a major reason why I will not vote for her under any circumstances. Zero chance.
cyberpj
(10,794 posts)Doesn't anyone remember Bill and Hillary being taken under the wing of The Bush Family under the guise of bi-partisanship?
Wake up. The Clintons have become the new Bushes.
In fact, "W" calls Hillary his sister-in-law and he has called Bill his "brother from another mother" several times.
I'm sure plenty of good stuff has been passed on through THAT connection.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)rich coming from a former first lady who touted the 1994 crime bill that has destroyed a generation of young black men by calling young blacks "super predators" that we "need to bring to heel." The younger generation is very much aware of that whether she wants to even acknowledge that or not.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)To my friends and family on Facebook. The Clintons cynically manipulate race as it suits their purposes.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)I can only take comfort in the fact that she will never, ever come close to being the President of this country.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The Clinton Family personified.
Response to NWCorona (Original post)
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liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)Nitram
(22,890 posts)Broad generalizations have a way of being completely wrong.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)and the large numbers of Democrats who are OK with that, simply validates my decision to sever ties with the Party.
I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)But I am happy to see more and more black people posting support for Bernie on Facebook. African Americans for Bernie is quite active there. I am having some success with my family and friends too. Her comments about Reagan, her condescension towards black activists, and now exposing her cynical race-baiting...it is all having an effect.
kcr
(15,320 posts)And if you don't see what's wrong with the picture there, you might be part of the problem.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"Berniebroosss!" derp
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)who is, yet again, on timeout. Fun was had about lily-white Vermont, but there aren't any optics problems in Michigan. Or Chicago. And that heinous "Not good enough, Bernie" OP is coming back to bite all of them in the ass.
I am LOVING this race.
Response to NWCorona (Original post)
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snowy owl
(2,145 posts)He needs to intentionally articulate that his vision of America is a united people representing all races and genders. He doesn't get that himself. When Latinos and others see hiim, what they see is a white Jew from Vermont. I've been talking about that for several weeks and even sent a letter to Devine. It isn't pandering but saying it straight and inviting all people to join the revolution which will benefit all people. He has to actually say it. Make it visible. Every time he's asked what he will do for black Americans, he should respond we are all Americans and I'm going to create an economy that will create jobs for everyone. Blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians, young people old people. People need to hear him say it. Latinos and blacks often feel left out of "America" and during his Florida debate I could feel the lack of engagement because they didn't think he was talking to them.
He's not artificial. But right now he's a little naive and too intellectual. Someone in his campaign needs to increase his understanding of inclusiveness.
Hillary is rehearsed from yin to yang. He needs to up his level of connection to people. Too many respond emotionally. Hillary gets that group phony as her emotional rhetoric is. And she gets all the media with her phony words.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)The Bernie people try to make Hillary out to be a warmonger, a corporate shill, a homophobe, etc., and the Hillary people try to make Sanders campaign out to be a white youth campaign. It's all part of the game. The same thing is going on with the Republicans. The real question is the degree to which the loser will work to unite the Party. Hillary set a great example in 2008, and we can expect the same from her or Bernie when the time comes.