Clinton Simply Can't Win Over Sanders Supporters Without Releasing Her Wall Street Transcripts

[UglyGreed]

Hillary do the right thing and prove to us all that you have nothing to hide. That is what true leaders do....they lead by example.


The only viable way Clinton can redeem herself with team Sanders is to release her Wall Street transcripts once and for all, thereby shaking out the remaining skeletons in her closet. If, however, Clinton refuses to come clean, we may very well be looking at a divided Democratic Party in the fall and a Republican President in the winter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-hanley/clinton-simply-cant-win-o_b_9478692.html?

[gcomeau]

1. The catch...

...is that there is an extremely high possibility that when they see what's actually in those transcripts they'll support her only after full frontal lobotomies.

[bkkyosemite]

2. She doesn't dare because that would tell her supporters who she really is and

then would have to put a fork in her instead of Bernie Sanders...that fork thing pisses me off...

[Punkingal]

21. Are you serious?

It seems to me her supporters won't care what is in the transcripts.

[Lizzie Poppet]

43. She could bite the head off a kitten on live TV...

...and most of her supporters here would just make more smug, condescending "it's over" posts and continue blindly following their cult figure. They don't care about anything but winning.

[Betty Karlson]

3. I think she has written me and many others off -

while saving us as scapegoats.

[djean111]

4. Exactly. At most, she figures she can use Trump as the Boogeyman.

Which seems like the plan all along.
Funnily enough - Trump, as horrible as he is, is promising change to people who are thirsting, for better or for worse, for change.

[dragonfly301]

5. I don't know about all Sanders supporters because

we don't vote as a monolith but I can assure you that this Bernie supporter needs to see the transcripts before I will consider it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. She was just going to where the money is when she was "dead broke" to ask for handouts.

And, the Capitalists selflessly and very generously took pity on her.

[geek tragedy]

7. the transcripts is a manufactured campaign issue that will have no relevance in the general election

it was really bad judgment by Clinton to do those speeches, but that damage has been done

[Fumesucker]

10. "Really bad judgment" is a phrase that keeps popping up over and over with the Clintons

[geek tragedy]

11. I would prefer greatly 8 more years of Obama to either of the lesser lights running

to replace him.

[Fumesucker]

12. Tough choice, "really bad judgment" or the white guy who mostly gets stuff right the first time

I'm sure the voters will be brought to heel in due course.

[geek tragedy]

16. Sanders gets stuff right in the same sense the average DU poster or Daily Kos poster gets things

right.

But governing--and winning national elections--requires a lot more than checking off the right issue boxes.

What kind of people would he appoint to head federal agencies--those with the most expertise or leftwing Brownies? That he thought Cornel West was a valuable asset in reaching out to black voters gives one pause.

he certainly didn't get that one right.

nor did his campaign handle the data breach particularly well--a bit disingenuous for Sanders to apologize in front of cameras and then send fundraising letters claiming to be the victim.

[Fumesucker]

22. You could have said exactly the same about Obama before he was elected POTUS

[geek tragedy]

24. Obama's campaign was run a lot more competently and a lot more professionally

Axelrod/Plouffe/Benenson >>>>>> Weaver/Devine.

And Obama has always made it clear he places a premium on expertise and competence when hiring people, moreso than ideology.

There was never a worry that we'd see leftwing Brownies in his administration.

[Fumesucker]

28. Sanders should never have broken out of single digits

He has quite literally the entire establishment against him, got miniscule coverage compared to any other candidate and has no billionaires in his pocket.

Instead he's pushing Clinton's rhetoric to the left so far that people are starting to notice how strange she sounds. It will be a blessed relief when he's gone from the campaign and she can go back to the right on economics where she's truly comfortable.

Gold Standard and all that you know. Isn't it interesting how the phrase has endured in positive meaning while the actual practice is mocked by all Very Serious People?

[geek tragedy]

40. There's a large constituency for a leftwing populist in Democratic primaries.

Sanders benefited because the only other option--realistically--was Clinton, so it was an easy contrast.

Sanders is easily his campaign's biggest asset. Problem is a president has to govern by supervising hundreds of people, thousands even.

Sanders is also a fairly slick and savvy politician. His gruff personality and blunt speaking style conceal that pretty well.

Great messenger, but he's not closing the sale in terms of "is he up to the job?"

[Fumesucker]

72. The three AM phone call scenario...

You might recall that Clinton implied Obama wasn't up to it and she and McCain were...

[geek tragedy]

78. Obama had a strong interest in foreign policy--stronger than his

interest in domestic policy.

Bernie can barely pretend to care about foreign policy. He doesn't have a single foreign policy advisor.

Not one.

It's one thing to be deemed unserious because of having the wrong beliefs.

It's another to be deemed unserious because one doesn't take the subject matter seriously enough to keep informed of it.

He was asked on Miami radio about his position on the peace talks in Colombia.

His answer was, depending on your sport, a whiff or a punt. Didn't know anything about what's going on in Colombia.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2016/03/bernie-sanders-says-he-has-to-brush-up-on-colombian-peace-process.html

Colombian-American voters: the fraught peace talks between the Colombian government and armed guerrillas.

Asked about the negotiations on a Colombian-American radio station in Miami, Sanders said he had to brush up. The peace process has been under way in Havana for more than three years.

"Um, I have to tell you that I am not up to date on that issue," Sanders told Radio Caracol, WSUA-AM (1260). "What I will tell you is that I think the United States has not paid anywhere near the kind of attention that it should be paying to Latin America, who are our closest allies

Try reading that to yourself without cringing.

"I haven't been paying attention to Colombia, but I can tell you the big problem with US foreign policy is that we haven't been paying enough attention to Colombia."



Think Clinton would have been stumped?

[amborin]

39. Larry Summers for chief economic advisor, reaganomics guy; geithner as treas secty, vilsack, nt

[Jefferson23]

27. Based on West..this is what gives you pause about his appointments?

You have the same concerns for Obama's Treasury Secretary choice?

The problem with the transcripts at this point for Clinton is her blind
supporters. They should be supportive of the request, and it will
only be Sanders revisiting the initial request from a voting US citizen
at a town hall meeting that keeps pressure on her to not cave to
WS should she become president.

[Jitter65]

74. But the REALLY BAD judgement in the GE will be voting for the Republican. This issue is moot

for Hillary.

[Fumesucker]

79. I'm not going to sell food to someone else that I wouldn't eat myself unless I was starving

By the same moral process I'm not selling a candidate who makes me wish I had no nose to others.

[UglyGreed]

17. The primary is not over

and BTW Lee Fang brought up the issue in the first place not the Sanders campaign. But of course you knew that already being a former Sanders supporter and all........

[geek tragedy]

19. Clinton's vote for the IWR was a real scandal.

Doing these speeches in the first place was really bad judgment.

Damage is done. The transcript thing is just an excuse to keep bringing the issue back up for Senator Noun-Verb-Wall Street.

[amborin]

41. the worst was bombing libya; she took full credit; ISIS now roams freely; scary bad judgement

[geek tragedy]

42. France and the UK were the ones pushing for a Libya bombing campaign

[JaneyVee]

8. Translation: We'll let Trump win if you dont stroke our egos.

[comradebillyboy]

38. Right on the mark with that observation JaneyVee

[msanthrope]

70. Their egos? nt

[obamanut2012]

77. Bingo

[The Straight Story]

9. No, I think some won't support hillary no matter what and just make up new excuses

each time she does something that could get her support.

I don't like Hillary myself but, sheesh, we don't need to nitpick over every single item. If you don't like her, just say so.

She isn't perfect, neither is bernie. Shit happens. It's dems vs conservatives this election and we will either empower the republicans and trump or we will empower the democrat party.

No matter what we do we won't have the perfect candidate we all love. But we can spend a little more time and energy on the bigger competition instead of telling the whole world how bad we think our own candidates are.

[riversedge]

14. Blackmailing is like that. when the money/satisfaction is gone--they go

back for more.

[riversedge]

13. Is that your only ransom? What will you want the next day--and the day

after??

[MohRokTah]

15. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

The "transcripts" have become the "Birth Certificate: of 2016!!!!!

[Basic LA]

18. And we need to see her birth certificate!

And why won't she release her teenage diary? And what's in her fridge, uh?

[whatchamacallit]

20. She can't win me either way

I don't need the transcripts to know who she is and who she works for.

[UglyGreed]

23. I just would like to see

if she has the guts to do so. We all know if it would of helped her cause they would of never been hidden from the public. It is just sad that some here defend this....it it were a Republican acting this they would of demanded the release.

[whatchamacallit]

25. That would be a refreshing change for her

but it would just be more example of what we already know.

[kstewart33]

35. Now be honest.

If she released the transcripts and it had little effect, DU Bernie supporters would find another issue to trash her with.

It will never stop. So why should she release them?

[whatchamacallit]

51. I'll be honest, will you?

As always, Bernie supporters are profiled and lumped together as a homogenous blob; "None of you will be satisfied, so it's pointless to release them...". We get it, the bullshit projection that all Bernie supporters have the exact same expectations and threshold for satisfaction on this matter, is a convenient dodge. Your excuse ignores a large pool of Hillary-leaning undecideds, for whom the squeeky clean transcripts would be a meaningful example of Hillary's transparency. Of course the best reason to release them would be the egg on the faces of all the accusing "Berniebros". In other words, there's plenty of reasons to release them, but only one reason not to.

[kstewart33]

83. Honest enough to know that the transcripts won't be enough.

I don't think that Bernie supporters are a homogenous blob. But scroll back to the list of GD-P posts in the last few weeks. Scan the titles. That's pure Hillary-hate. She's been accused of everything including drug dealing, murder, personal theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you name it.

Releasing transcripts won't be enough.

I'd wager that when faced with a Hillary or Trump as president, those Hillary-leaning undecideds will vote for Hillary. The Trump candidacy will be a yuuuuge vote getter for Hillary.

[whatchamacallit]

84. Since when

is "some won't appreciate my candor, therefore there's no need to be candid" a valid position? This is just another dishonest deflection like "I'll do it when everyone does". If you were truly being honest you'd admit it.

[EndElectoral]

26. Not going to happen. She knows what's in those transcripts.

[BernieforPres2016]

29. That wouldn't be nearly enough for me

Taking $225,000 per speech from Wall Street criminals is inexcusable and unforgivable regardless of what she said.

I loved Bernie's answer to the college kid at Monday's Town Hall who said he was thinking about pursuing a job on Wall Street. Bernie told the kid that he could go for the money, but in his (Bernie's) opinion, the business model of Wall Street is fraud. I know quite a bit about Wall Street and Bernie is absolutely correct. I could not believe a politician would say it on national television.

Hillary has a public record that goes back more than 30 years and it is not ambiguous. The only thing she could possibly do to make me hold my nose and vote for her versus a Republican in the general election would be to sign a written pledge to vigorously pursue a list of Bernie's campaign issues, starting with campaign finance reform that ended our current system of legalized bribery and going on to a single payer healthcare system and others.

[kstewart33]

32. Then don't vote for her.

If voting for her causes you that much pain, don't. Vote for Trump. That's cutting off your nose to spite your face, but at least you won't be voting for Hillary.

[floriduck]

55. Good point.

There are many options available; Jill Stein, write-in Bernie Sanders, or vote on local and state issues and leave the presidential boxes empty. I'm sure there are others that I am missing.

[hack89]

67. You clearly have enough privilege to do well in a Trump presidency.

not everyone is as fortunate as you are.

[kstewart33]

73. Oh now, let's cut the snark.

You and I know that a Trump presidency would be disasterous for the country. Privilege has nothing to do with it.

[hack89]

80. Ballots are black and white

voters will have to choose between Hillary and Trump. And they will choose the person best for them, warts and all. So when I hear any talk about not voting for Hillary, it is clear they think that Trump will be ok for them personally.

[Jefferson23]

30. Show me the money. K&R

[kstewart33]

31. Don't lose sleep over this.

Because she won't do it. At this point, she doesn't have to.

If that's the price of your vote, so be it. I wouldn't be too quick to speak for other Bernie supporters. Not with Trump as the alternative.

[Lizzie Poppet]

33. Which, if they're honest records (/rolleyes) would pretty much ensure none of us vote for her.

So I guess her silence makes sense. Her current supporters clearly don't give a shit about her close ties to Wall Street (or her warmongering, her demonstrated duplicitousness, her support of fracking, TPP, NAFTA, etc.), so they won't give a shit about what she says to her paymasters, either.

[LonePirate]

37. Some of her opponent's supporters don't give a damn if Trump destroys America.

[Lizzie Poppet]

46. Oh bullshit.

Trump is roundly despised by both parties establishment. His ability to get anything done that didn't have at least some degree of bipartisan support would be minimal. He could do damage with executive orders and SCOTUS nominations (and yes, the latter is damned important), but his capacity to "destroy America" is vastly exaggerated.

[LonePirate]

48. So you're willing to take that chance, huh? A Repub Congress will fall in line under Pres. Trump.

They will pass all sorts of crazy stuff which he sign as a non-thinking man who wants to get things done. Congress might do the dirty work but Trump will be the fall guy.

[Lizzie Poppet]

53. Whether I'm willing or not is irrelevant (for Electoral College reasons).

But yes, I do think Trump will be pretty heavily constrained by his unpopularity on both sides of the aisle.

[LonePirate]

63. You couldn't be more wrong if you think congressional Repubs won't follow a new Repub president.

We sure wouldn't want Trump's destruction of America to interfere with your hatred of Hillary!

[Lizzie Poppet]

65. Well, I have little doubt we're going to find out over the next four years.

I doubt we'll be talking about it, though, as your totally unnecessary snarky rejoinder earns you a spot in my Ignore list after I post this. Zero patience with that sort of shit right now. Feel free to cravenly append another insult...I won't see it.

[procon]

34. Why would that compel anyone to switch their vote?

It seems more like a deceptive enticement... I have this mental image of Lucy holding the foot as Charlie Brown starts to kick it.

You speak of "redemption" like its a punishment to be inflicted. Or maybe it's closer to extortion? You claim that Clinton must have a 'come to Jesus' moment and bare her soul for your inspection as if this is necessary to sooth your anguish over the diminishing path to victory. Otherwise, you threaten to launch a retaliatory strike against every Democratic voter in the country and deny us all the opportunity to retain the White House, and instead, saddling us with your preferred Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump.

Your judgment is in error.

[LonePirate]

36. Releasing the transcripts won't win over any Brrnie supporters even if they are 100% innocuous.

She should still release them in order to be transparent but people are lying if they believe that will persuade Bernie's hardcore, Clinton hating supporters to change their opinions of her.

[Lil Missy]

44. Then don't vote for her. Simple as that. n/t

[NCTraveler]

45. She actually can. Not all of course.

The ones stating they will withhold their vote over this aren't voting for her anyway. Many Sanders supports here have been very clear that if Clinton wins in the primary that she will have their vote.

[Lizzie Poppet]

47. Sure...but that number is dropping, not rising, IMO.

So many Hillary supporters (specifically excluding you...) have been such utter pricks that it seems like they're deliberately driving us away. Moreover, more and more reasons to reject Hillary in November keep emerging, either from her own mouth or from her e-mail transcripts. I think the number of "hold-my-nose" Bernie crossover votes is declining, not rising.

[restorefreedom]

64. lets say there are some conflicted sanders supporters

for this discussion, i will say i am conflicted. she releases her transcripts. they contain phenomenal and inspirational words and advice and memories from her life in politics. they are encouraging and insightful and offer no overt or covert prid pro quo. they are exemplary and show themselves to be worthy of the fees paid.

as a "conflicted" voter, i would take this into serious consideration. it could be something that could help sway me over.

[NCTraveler]

66. The only reason a certian group wants them so bad is to cherry pick them to death.

That is simply factual.

Clinton is the most vetted candidate in history. That is fact. If people need these transcripts to make up their mind, I have questions about their mind. This is about political fodder. That is well known.

"they are exemplary and show themselves to be worthy of the fees paid."

Point in hand. Every single person calling for them to be released has also stated that the speeches themselves couldn't be worth the fee. They have been clear on that.

[restorefreedom]

68. i just said it. i want to see them and fully accept the possibility

that they are wonderful, nonpolitical, and nonpandering to the financial sector. would it be the deciding issue for me? probably not. but it couldn't hurt to get them out there, if for no other reason than to prove that she maybe could be trusted when she says she will not pander to wall st.

if there is nothing controversial, why not just put them out there and make her detractors eat crow?

there seems to be only one reason to withhold them.....

[AzDar]

49. The transcripts would confirm what we already know: She's a LIAR who will say/do anything

to get elected.

[ViseGrip]

52. After all the lies and distortions, nothing less than the transcripts will get my vote.

[GoneFishin]

58. That would actually sway you? She has shown who she is. Nothing in the transcripts could redeem her

reputation this late in the game.

[HassleCat]

54. Wait a minute!

Your logic doesn't work for me. I don't like Hillary Clinton, but I will vote for her. Reading transcripts of what she said to her banker pals will not make me like her more or less, and it won't prevent me from voting for her. I'm a yellow dog Democrat, and will be until a viable third party emerges.

[0rganism]

56. that would be counter-productive now

i think the Democratic party is actually well-served by having Sanders continue to run up to the convention, win or lose, so he and his delegates can help draft the party platform.

plus, HRC has shown that so far she can win primaries without winning over Sanders supporters. they're "simply" not in a position to be making demands.

at this point, the transcripts would only be useful for additional attack ad fodder by the Republicans. they'll probably find a way to get the transcripts later in the campaign, but no need to hand it to them on a silver platter.

[GoneFishin]

57. Who cares? She has shown that she is not trustworthy and only cares about her billionaire friends.

Anybody who has not figured that out by now will always be oblivious.

[KittyWampus]

59. LOLZ! Keep it up with the stupid losing strategy of harassment. Hopefully Sanders

will do even worse in the upcoming primaries.

[UglyGreed]

60. And keep on supporting someone

who hides her loyalties and motives and one who is afraid to lead by example

[KittyWampus]

61. Talking about loyalty/motives, here's Sanders with his Congressional crew:

Nice friends/allies he has there. If that's what his purity leads to, I want no part of it.


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[msanthrope]

71. What is this from? nt

[ReasonableToo]

62. Echoing others - not going to happen...

If she does not release them then she'll gain Bernie supporters. If she releases them she doesn't gain Bernie supporters.

Not going to happen.

[lostnfound]

69. She will take us for granted and work to get centrists

The distance to walk back will be shorter that way

[thesquanderer]

75. She can't win over Sanders supporters by releasing them, either.

So it's kind of a lose-lose for her.

Obviously, their contents are not entirely innocuous, or she simply would have released them rather than deal with this mess.

So no, releasing them is not going to win over Sanders supporters any more than not releasing them does.

[merrily]

76. I cannot tell a lie. The transcripts are not going to fix anything for me.

[Politicalboi]

81. I don't care what she does or doesn't do

If those that feel visiting polls on election day is cheating, then DON'T support those that cheated on us to get their goal. If they continue to cheat, how can we overlook that? It's up to her supporters to tell her to "cut it out" NOW!

But of course they see nothing wrong with this act. They say it's not illegal even though it IS. If the law can't do anything for us, then don't spend your vote on those that cheated from US. Shame on those who can go along with this.

[BreakfastClub]

82. Most Sander's supporters will vote for the democratic nominee. Sorry. nt

[MoreGOPoop]

85. Nope

She would have to personally pull the lever on Lord Bankfunds
for me to begin to trust her.