2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCamp Hillary's sudden calls to have Bernie drop out betray a nervousness about the road ahead.
It's not the mark of a confident campaign. Not at all.
If they were truly confident about their chances, they'd have no problem with harmless 'Old Uncle Bernie' staying in the race all the way until the convention.
Behind their claims of a "99%" certainty that Hillary will win it all, we know they're still scared.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)You have a link, or is this more baseless conjecture?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The OP is based on a lie.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)and not "Hillary's Campaign". Sheesh.
MADem
(135,425 posts)he squeezes every possible PENNY out of his supporters.
He needs to get them to maximize their donations--he needs to push-push-push and get the Sanders "Camp" to write checks all the way up to their donation limits.
That way, Democratic Leading Lights, who are great at gathering people together and getting them to write checks, won't have to spend too much of their time at fundraisers to retire Sanders' debt. Instead, they can put their energies to work to help the downticket races.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)riversedge
(70,260 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)All her supporters hanging out at Hillary's Primary Campaign Holiday Camp.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)I am a supporter, but not nervous or calling for anyone to drop out
John Poet
(2,510 posts)with balloons and posters and bumperstickers and memes and fun stuff.
But stay away from the hot dogs
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Clinton will, in all likelihood, win a majority of the remaining delegates.
BREMPRO
(2,331 posts)the primary before states favoring Sanders kick in..."Moving forward, the Clinton campaign argues the race is all but over. In the memo to reporters, Clinton campaign director Robby Mook stressed that theres virtually no realistic path for Mr. Sanders to capture the nomination.
The broad coalition of Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton has given her a nearly insurmountable lead in pledged delegates, and we are confident that for the first time in our nations history, the Democratic Party will nominate a woman as their presidential nominee, Mr. Mook said."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/16/clinton-campaign-bernie-sanders-its-over/
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Gotcha.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Just because Mook says "WE think Clinton is going to win" that is not a "call for ending the primary." "Essentially" or otherwise.
Those of us in the Clinton Camp (and I am a proud CAMPER) have been saying we think she will be the nominee--and the next POTUS-- from Day One.
We've always had faith in our candidate. That doesn't mean we think Sanders should leave--in fact, the longer he stays in, the more money he can raise to retire his debt. He should start getting rid of unnecessary expenditures and staffers, and transition them to Super Pacs, like he was doing with that Millenial Super Pac. The FEC isn't going to punish anyone, especially if they do it without any formal permission/knowledge. Some "Third Party" needs to go in and "lure" them away, or something...!
But he needs to push his donors to dig deep and max out, NOW. That way, he'll be able to pay everyone what they are owed, pay his bills, and not have to spend a long time shlumping around, trying to raise money--we've seen that before and it's no darn fun.
BREMPRO
(2,331 posts)it was a press release and this is just the first one that popped up.
i'm mystified by the assumption that you believe Sanders is staying in the race to "retire his debt".. he has no debt to retire.according to the latest FEC filing has 14 million still on hand to spend and very strong continued support and room to expand donations with majority of donations $200 or less.
http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do
Sanders Summary
Contributions
Individual Icon Individual $93,883,341
PAC Icon PAC $3,637
Party Icon Party $0
Candidate Icon Candidate $0
Federal Funds $0
Transfers-In $1,500,000
Disbursements $80,763,804
Cash On Hand $14,661,951
Size of Contributions
$200 and Under $80,626,723
$200.01 - $499 $5,062,931
$500 - $999 $3,793,297
$1000 - $1999 $3,297,690
$2000 and Over $1,981,339
Clinton is the one that is in danger of maxing out her donors at this point with more maxed individual contributions and more super pac and corporate sponsorship (does that tell you anything?) http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donors-218569..
CLinton Summary
Contributions
Individual Icon Individual $120,495,964
PAC Icon PAC $940,409
Party Icon Party $1,000
Candidate Icon Candidate $468,037
Federal Funds $0
Transfers-In $4,440,000
Disbursements $93,424,167
Cash On Hand $32,938,564
Size of Contributions
$200 and Under $34,778,487
$200.01 - $499 $4,927,936
$500 - $999 $5,716,745
$1000 - $1999 $13,603,063
$2000 and Over $71,156,509
Clintons majority is $2000 or over leaving her vulnerable to maxing out.
If i were running her campaign that would be a concern for running out of money while Sanders can continue to raise..
Mostly though with a Clinton coronation, i worry about her lackluster enthusiasm factor (especially among younger and independent voters)/ her hawkish war stances/corporate support/connections, status quo compromises, Clinton family baggage factor, Clinton foundation and email investigations (especially her close adviser Blumenthal re: his Libya business interests encouraging Clinton to advise Obama for regime change for his personal gain) I also worry about the negatives among so many democrats and pure hatred among many conservative inspiring voter turnout against her as well as the potential for Clinton indictment in choosing her to be the democratic nominee. Regarding her and the head to head match ups. most national polls show her weaker than Sanders in all potential match ups. i worry any shoe to drop in any category will further hurt her chances.
I believe Bernie has the best chance to sweep in along with him a democratic senate and potentially house as well giving us the first chance in generations to return to the roots of the democratic party- middle class expansion and economic and wealth equality not seen since FDR. With Clinton, we may get a "democratic president" but likely no democratic senate or house and the same compromised legislation Obama settled for that don't alter the fundamentals of historically inequitable wealth distribution and corrupted politics that so plague our country.
Convinced me i'm wrong.....
MADem
(135,425 posts)But there comes a point in time when you have to start cutting back, closing up, and settling invoices. He pays way too many staff, IMO, and we saw how much bang for his buck he got in SC with 240 paid staff at minimum fifteen bucks an hour, many paid more. He cut back in NC when he realized that was a no-go (and one fellow saw a conspiracy in it, apparently and created frantic YTs asserting strange conspiracies to include "internal corruption" .
Also, your link only goes through this point in time:
That was well before he was beaten down in five states in one night. I will say quite honestly, those multiple defeats surprised me. I thought Sanders was much stronger than he turned out to be, and I thought he'd run away with MO, win OH, and compete and maybe beat in IL. I figured Clinton would own FL and NC, as she did, and we'd slog on. But that was a DRUBBING, 'margins' notwithstanding. Sanders underperformed, yet again, and Clinton exceeded (yet again) expectations despite unkind and sexist media coverage.
Sanders doesn't have an endless supply of scratch, and with these losses most recently, and the likelihood that he is NOT going to succeed in his quest, a lot of those recurring donations are going to go away. And people who might have contributed had he done well are saying "Naaaah--I can spend this on those new shoes I was looking at."
Who throws good money after bad? His receipts will go down-down-down as more and more people realize that his chance is that of a snowball in Florida in July at high noon. Not everyone is a "Die Hard Fan." Some people have to watch their dollars, or just don't see a point in tilting at windmills.
Once you start cutting checks for severed campaign employees, paying the rents due on offices, settling those bills that are sitting in the in-box with a ninety day due date, etc., that money can go POOF in a real hurry. As he draws down, he needs to keep the cash flowing IN, and the way to do that is to insist that a) There is a path, and b) He's gonna do it, oh yes, he is! The people who want to believe, will, and they will keep handing over their money. Eventually even those Die Hards will figure it out, but in the meantime they will help him keep the lights on and the staff paid while he shrinks the staff, makes the economies, and does the draw down thing.
I don't worry about young voters at all. They get interested and most of the time, they don't show up because they didn't bother to register, or forgot, or didn't want to take the bus and couldn't grab a ride, or whatever.
Ask Howard Dean. He'll tell ya.
Thing is, they don't get "disillusioned." They fart around for a few years, then they grow up, become adults, and start voting. Did the kids who voted for McGovern "give up?" No. It took them awhile, but they got off their asses when they grew up and voted in Carter and Clinton. AND Gore (thanks a lot, Supremes). AND Obama. It's not Young Republicans of 1972 who put Barack in the White House, after all.
And as for coat-tails? Sanders can't even get super delegates to back him (and twenty some-odd people are a drop in the bucket) and he's been on the Hill for a quarter century. What is up with that--he has NO friends up there? Why is that, do you suppose?
Could it be that he's never gotten off his ass and campaigned for his 'pals' in the House/Senate? Could it be that Democrats don't like a guy who advocated primarying a sitting Dem POTUS in 2012? What makes you think he's going to help anyone now when he has never done it before?
By contrast, HRC has never been shy about supporting fellow Dems--she established a PAC to do just that (and she even gave money from it to .... wait for it ... BERNIE SANDERS--there's a reason he calls her his friend, he owes his Senate seat in no small part to her and other Senate Dems). She's got coat-tails, and she's also got a spouse who can draw crowds, produce media availabilities, put candidates on local TV simply by him showing up, and help downticket candidates in a big way.
But--to get back to the main point of this thread--no one is calling for Sanders to get out. He can drag this out as long as he wants. Hopefully, he'll be able to separate enough money from his supporters to keep the engine chugging while he slogs on, because I'd rather not have to donate to the DNC to pay his debts (and he will have them as his people peel away). I'd rather that kind of scratch go down ticket.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Priorities USA said theyre not spending another dime on primary ads.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)so if she is acting like it...Bernie needs to go...let's just ignore him. Not happening.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You should correct your headline lest people think you are misstating deliberately.
Making stuff up like that .... It's not the mark of a confident campaign. Not at all.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/16/clinton-campaign-bernie-sanders-its-over/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/16/clinton-campaign-bernie-sanders-its-over/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/16/clinton-campaign-bernie-sanders-its-over/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/16/clinton-campaign-bernie-sanders-its-over/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/16/clinton-campaign-bernie-sanders-its-over/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/16/clinton-campaign-bernie-sanders-its-over/
in cause you missed it before.
MADem
(135,425 posts)claiming it says? Did you even BOTHER TO READ the article?
Show me the quote from any member of Clinton's "camp" that says what you're trying to insist, here?
Where in that article does it quote or name ANYONE from the campaign speaking to that wingnut piece of shit "paper" saying anything close to that?
I think you owe us all a retraction, for two reasons--first, for insinuating that Clinton's campaign actually has said anything, and second, for using that shit Reverend Moon, Lunatic source.
Now--either PROVE your assertion, or correct yourself.
smh!!!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
MADem
(135,425 posts)I'd rather take my chances in the thick of a tai-fun!!! Batten down the hatches, full speed ahead!!!!
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Why do you post that right wing swill here?
book_worm
(15,951 posts)I think competition is good. I know that he will be gracious and endorse her eventually and campaign for the ticket. He will have some primary/caucus wins ahead, but so, too, will HRC. He won't be able to catch up with her, clearly. He will probably win most of the caucuses in the next few weeks in states like Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, Washington. He has a 50-50 shot at Wisconsin. They are all open contests where independents and republicans can vote in a Democratic primary and he has done better in those states. However, in a month there will be a series of closed primaries in states like New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland & Rhode Island which will favor HRC.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)This idea that Bernie's campaign was nothing but a Republican plot needs to stop.
The Democratic Party hasn't been hurt by Bernie's presence in the race at all.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Odds are he'll end up owing money, but the more bills he can pay off with those twenty seven dollar donations, the less the DNC will have to cover, at the end of the day. I'm sure people who are Big "Get" fundraisers would rather be raising money for downticket races than helping Sanders retire his campaign debts.
Already, there are Sanders campaign employees jumping off the gravy train and going to a Millenial Super Pac....where they will get paid with PRIVATE dollars that don't have as much scrutiny applied to them.
If more of this starts happening, and more people start leaving the campaign and going to some sort of "transition" job, we can pretty much see what is happening, big pic.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Clinton is the clear favourite to beat Trump, but she's far from certain to do so.
And anything that makes that less likely makes me very nervous indeed.
It's absolutely the case that Sanders has the right to stay in the race if he chooses to do so, and no-one else has the right to force him out.
But it's also absolutely the case that if he stays in then his chance of winning is absolutely tiny, and that by staying in he is making it less unlikely that the next US president will have a lemming on his head.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Chichiri
(4,667 posts)You know, whichever makes Hillary looks worse, I guess.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)November will prove that out.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Though a change in the rhetoric coming from the Sanders campaign would be nice with the apparent math.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)look really, really BAD.
The way the "campaign" said anything to Sanders was by WINNING. Not by "telling" them anything.
smh.
Marr
(20,317 posts)No one takes them seriously anymore.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)events and huge swaths of the Democratic party.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)posting that link to the Moonie Times like it actually means something.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)You're really going to act like you never heard any of that, huh?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)and Super Delegates are not in this to support one person over another, they are in it to win it in the Fall. Tepid support for a candidate means tepid turnout in the general.
and the untrustworthy numbers are through the roof, so it's not like they don't have good reason to be afraid
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)it is time to unite the party behind one candidate,
and the media publish it, you cannot be surprised
that there is a strong effort on behalf of the party
apparatchiks to try to end the primaries now.
After all, who is the head of the party??!!
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)People who pay thousands for a rubber chicken dinner really aren't part of the coalition, now are they?
Sort of like preaching to the choir.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The sooner she can devote her resources to combatting Trump, the better. Trump isn't going to wait for Bernie to bow out before he turns his full Arsenal on Hillary. Another political reality.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)And please don't bother responding with a misleading Washington Times article (do I even need the "misleading" qualifier??) that's based on a single quote from Robby Mook stating that Bernie has no path to victory.
Stating the obvious isn't the same as voicing an opinion that he should drop out. If he wants to keep getting his message across, he can stay in. But that doesn't mean that he has any shot at winning.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And build an argument based on their fantasies!
Here is my take--I think Sanders needs to stay in until he can get every penny he possibly can out of his donors. He needs to push them to donate the max, to dig deep, to fork it over to the maximum possible extent.
I hope they donate to him hand over fist--that way, he can retire his debt and any money that Dems raise afterward will be spent on "downticket" runs and not to pay his bills.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)for months. Always going around saying something like this.
Happy dances abound....
There is a reason in the past, Democrats bow out when it is obvious they lost. Good for the whole. Not self absorbed, ego driven interest.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Trump has already started in on Hillary; you damn well better believe she is going to pivot to him instead of giving him 4 few months to lob insults.
But having enough confidence to switch to the GE is a far different thing than telling Bernie it is time to drop out.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)And no one invited me They are probably sitting around the campfire singing Who runs the World? Girls! and woking on their pantsuit badges right now without me
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Priceless
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)breaking glass ceilings after
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Did you see the SNL skit where white folks discovered Bey was black? It was awesome.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Bey is black?
Kidding..... Yes, that was hilarious.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Camp Hillary's sudden calls to have Bernie drop out betray a nervousness about the road ahead.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511518550
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This post is a direct lie and has no link to substantiate it's claim.
the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Silly post, and incorrect assertion, but it'e not attacking anyone.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Geez, why was this harmless post alerted?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, what is the "direct" lie? Where is the TOS that says a poster cannot state his or her opinion? Bad faith alert.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see where the lie occurs here, honestly, nor why the post would require a link. Doesn't seem to imply that there is an official HRC position, just a poster airing an opinion or impression. Vote to leave it.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ridiculous alert. It's an opinion, not a lie.
Gotta wonder about Juror 4.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)let's hear from the rest of the states and then settle this in Philadelphia
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)That's what supporters of a candidate do just before they are disgraced.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Funny watching Team Hill pretend they haven't been banging this drum for months.
It must be annoying to them that they had to wait until last Tuesday for an actual sweep...and it's still not over.
And I'm with you- even with a clean sweep, they are still sweating bullets. What do they know that we don't?
Lorien
(31,935 posts)they wouldn't be backing a candidate with such a high negative rating that a virtual unknown with no media coverage is giving her a challenge. If she didn't have the media and DNC in her pocket, she would already be out.
If you want America to have a future, vote for Bernie!
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Math.
pansypoo53219
(20,983 posts)GO BERNIE! we have a drumpf in the wings.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)There are many months to go. Anything could happen. Hillary might have to drop out.
You might have n Biden swooping in at the convention trying to pick up Hillary's delegates. You just never know.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)...I'd like to be on record as a member of "Camp Hillary" that I absolutely do not want Bernie to drop out. Check the link below.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511515794
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)This is not where they wanted to be at all, at this point in time. They wanted her to have her hands free to run run run to the right again, and instead she must still consider further concessions to the left. How grilling it must be...
basselope
(2,565 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'm not surprised you need to interpret it as such.
brooklynite
(94,656 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Everything I've read has stated the contrary, that her campaign would not ask him to drop out.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Go pound Sand.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)and how they might beat him. And don't forget to gin up as much fear as possible while you're at it.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)Do you have a link I can visit that demonstrates it?
Individual Clinton supporters are not the Clinton campaign, BTW.