Newtown Alliance slams Sanders for gun-maker liability stance.

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Newtown Alliance slams Sanders for stance on gun-maker liability
By: Ana Radelat | March 9, 2016


Washington – The Newtown Alliance, a group created after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings to promote gun control, said it is “outraged” that Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders doesn't think gun manufacturers should be liable for all the harm caused by their firearms.

During a debate in Flint, Mich., Saturday evening, Sanders said making gun makers liable for the damage caused by guns that are purchased legally would amount to a ban on the manufacture of guns.

Sanders said the issue is, “If somebody wh o is crazy or a criminal or a horrible person goes around shooting people, the manufacturer of that gun should be held liable.... What you're really talking about is people saying , 'let's end gun manufacturing in America.' That's the implications of that, and I don't agree with that."

On Monday, the National Rifle Association praised Sanders for his stance in a tweet that said, "Sen. Sanders was spot-on in his comments about gun manufacturer liability...".........






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Sen. Sanders was spot-on in his comments about gun manufacturer liability/PLCAA http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/sanders-what-youre-really-talking-about-ending-gun-manufacturing-america-I … #DemDebate

[Lizzie Poppet]

1. They are, of course, dead wrong.

Protecting manufacturers for baseless, nuisance lawsuits was and is the right thing to do.

[DanTex]

12. It's great that team NRA is here to stand up for the rights of the poor gun industry.

[Hoyt]

2. I really admire Clinton for speaking out against gunz. Takes guts.

[radical noodle]

3. I've noticed Sanders' supporters say little about his stance on guns

This is one of many reasons I support Hillary.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. They repeat D MINUS when they're not praising him for protecting the gun manufacturer trash

It's telling: the only big, corrupt industry Bernie doesn't want to break up is the gun manufacturers! Suddenly he's all, well, that's an imposition on commerce! They murder our children with impunity, raking in the bucks.

[bobbobbins01]

8. I'll be happy to speak out. Logically Bernie is right.

A manufacturer shouldn't be held liable for improper use of its product. Some guy got his face eaten off by a man high on Bath Salts, do you think the manufacturer should be held liable?

[Vattel]

15. Keep in mind how dishonest your opponents are.

They don't want a sensible discussion of the issue. They just want to paint Sanders as some sort of NRA tool.

[uponit7771]

18. They should be held liable for keeping a dangerous product more dangerous instead of coming up

... with solutions.

[Hoyt]

26. Manufacturers advertise that their gunz make you "manly," their sniper rifle killed lots of people a

can help you too. Then they funded the NRA to push lax gun legislation, stand you ground hogwash, and more. By God that is similar to what the tobacco industry did and had to pay billions. Sanders is a tool for gunz, as are his supporters.

[bobbobbins01]

38. Razor blades advertise razors for women.

If a woman commits suicide or slashes someone with one, Gillette shouldn't get sued.

[Hoyt]

39. They don't advertise that Gillett razors are the best for suicide, and that suicide will

solve your problems, so buy enough razors for the lonely weekend. Jeeez, some of you guys are really obtuse.

[bobbobbins01]

41. Show me one advertisement that tells me which gun is best for murdering someone

I'll wait.

[Hoyt]

42. When I'm not on my phone, I'll show you one about sniper rifle that killed more folks in Iraq

and why it's a good deal. Gunners will either oil theirs up, or run out and buy one.

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. Sanders rates a D- from the NRA.

The only "pro gun" (which, of course, it isn't) stance of his is his vote on the law protecting manufacturers from nuisance lawsuits. That was the right vote.

[Hoyt]

40. Wrong vote. You are a gunner and believe gunz, stand your ground, etc., are good for society.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Gun manufacturers are aware that part of their profit derives from the legal-to-illegal pipeline

It's why they resist all efforts to strengthen enforcement. The only things that will stop them is civil suits, just like the tobacco companies. The only big, destructive industry Bernie wants to protect is that gun manufacturer trash, that gleefully protect the legal-to-illegal pipelines that murder our children? Man of principle my royal Irish ass.

Good on Newtown.

Every illegal gun begins as a legal gun. Every single one.

[Vattel]

19. Bernie doesn't want to protect them from paying damages when they are actually at fault.

That being said, I disagree with his vote on the PLCAA. I think the courts should assess the merits of claims against gun manufacturers using common law principles that are much more sophisticated than a statute like PLCAA. Trying to define the limits of the liability of gun manufacturers by means of PLCAA is a bad idea for the same reason that most tort reform is a bad idea: it results in arbitrary lines being drawn that will in some cases prevent the courts from ensuring a just resolution of lawsuits.

However, I see no reason to think that Sanders is not a man of principle just because he disagrees with me about this.

[AtomicKitten]

6. I wonder how they feel about arms proliferation doubling while she was Secretary of State.

Further research done by Sirota and Perez of International Business Times and based on US government and Clinton Foundation data shows that during her term the State Department authorized $165 billion in commercial arms sales to twenty nations that had given money to the Clinton Foundation. These include the governments of Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, all of whose records on human rights had been criticized by the State Department itself.

During Hillary Clinton’s years as secretary of state, arms sales to the countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation ran at nearly double the value of sales to the same nations during George W. Bush’s second term. There was also an additional $151 billion worth of armaments sold to sixteen nations that had donated funds to the Clinton Foundation; these were deals organized by the Pentagon but which could only be completed with Hillary Clinton’s authorization as secretary of state. They were worth nearly one and a half times the value of equivalent sales during Bush’s second term.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election/

[restorefreedom]

7. with all respect to the victims of this horrific massacre, bullshit

if guns are a legally manufactured and sellable product, the makers should not be held liable for their abuse any more than ginsu should be held liable when someone is stabbed to death.

if they want to go after the legality of guns, then that is a completely separate and worthy conversation.

[Hoyt]

27. Yes they should. He backed NRA, gunz are sold as manly thing to have, push the gun culture and

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racism, and worse.

[Thinkingabout]

9. Allow the gun manufactures and dealers to be subject to the same rules the other industries, no

special treatment for this industry.

[Travis_0004]

16. If you drink 24 beers then go driving, you cant sue budweiser

Other industries dont need those protections because they already have them. Its only because judges with an agenda allowed the lawsuits so the law was written.

Same reason the fast food industry has legal protection against fat people suing, it became a problem.

If a bunch of people start suing budweiser after a DUI I thibk we should write a law to protect them. Or hell, write the law now if it makes you happy.

[Thinkingabout]

23. Does budweiser have protection from lawsuits? No, it is only the gun industry.

[TCJ70]

17. They don't get special treatment...

...and the way the PLCAA (link here) is painted as some sort of blanket immunity is just wrong. There are still plenty of ways gun manufacturers and dealers can be held liable for criminal activity. People should really do some reading about this stuff before just accepting it. This is one of the most egregious distortions Clinton has used against Bernie as it's just flat out wrong what she says about it.

[Thinkingabout]

24. What other industy has protection like PLCAA?

[Travis_0004]

25. Fast food industry

You can not sue them for making you fat.

[renate]

10. I think possession of a gun should be illegal

But it's not. Someone doing something stupid with an object that it is legal to produce and/or own isn't the manufacturer's fault. So I think he's intellectually right to take the position he does.

That doesn't mean I'd do the same if I were a senator. I'd do anything I could to end the production and ownership and profitability of guns--at least, of guns more powerful than those available in 1776 that are designed to kill anything with fewer than four legs. (And in an ideal world, since I'm a vegetarian, I'd like to see hunting ended too, but that's a different story.) But if I made gun manufacturers, who were operating legally, responsible for what happened with those guns, I wouldn't have a principle to stand on... I'd just be an anti-gun activist.

I wish Bernie's position were different, because I hate guns and everything about them. But I understand it.

[stone space]

11. We saw Bernie the day before the Iowa Caucus. He failed to even mention guns.

The day before that, we heard Gabby Giffords at a Hillary event.





Gabby was very persuasive.

I couldn't believe that Bernie didn't think the topic even worth mentioning the very next day at a venue just 30 miles away.

I don't want to hear about the woes of Mom and Pop Gun Manufacturers.

[AzDar]

13. Should FORD be held liable for drunk driving fatalities? So fucking desperate to attack Bernie...

you've lost your WAY.

[frylock]

14. Hillary will drop this issue like a hot rock in the GE.

Bank it.

[Kang Colby]

22. I'm a Hillary supporter, and I acknowledge that.

There is nothing wrong with pragmatic politics. I'm looking forward to hearing a few more stories about Hillary Oakley learning to shoot on pawpaw's farm.

With respect to guns, I see no difference between Clinton and Sanders as POTUS. If a gun control bill makes it through Congress, either of them would sign.

[riversedge]

43. I think Hillary will do some hard pushing. Can't see her

giving up on this issue at all. IMHO

[joshcryer]

29. Gun control is a party plank. Read the platform.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=101962

[frylock]

31. That Hillary will abandon if she wins the nomination

[joshcryer]

32. The nominee does not create the platform.

The delegates to the convention create the platform.

It's likely she'll walk back the rhetoric and try not to mention it.

But it will come up in debates.

[hack89]

33. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition

We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms

This is the part that always seems to be forgotten.

[joshcryer]

34. Absolutely.

Democrats never have been nor are they "gun grabbers." I'm just saying Clinton's rhetoric is already part of the platform. The only thing surprising is that a presidential candidate is talking that way, when 8 short years ago the same person was talking about hunting with daddy. Just goes to show how far we've progressed that that kind of talk, talking about regulations as opposed to talking about being pro gun, is acceptable rhetoric to the voting population.

[hack89]

36. Bottomline is either candidate will be good for gun owners.

it should not be an issue.

[joshcryer]

37. I think we'll be seeing more pressing issues.

Like building walls, banning muslims, or deporting undocumented.

And I'll bet before it's over Trump says he's a Sandy Hook Truther.

[ibegurpard]

35. She already has

[hrmjustin]

21. K&R!

[Cha]

28. Bull... nobody's talking about.. hyperbole much.

Thanks rivers.

[NurseJackie]

30. Things like this reveal much about Bernie ...

... and people like myself don't like what we see.