My two cents about the alleged Arizona voter shenanigans.

[Baitball Blogger]

It's not just about an establishment candidate's history of contradictions. It's about how a mission develops at the top that infects the process down at the local level as grunts try to prove their loyalty. This is a pattern of corruption that will spread into the private sector as cronys expect payment for their services.

This is what is destroying our American communities.

[yourpaljoey]

1. We must right this wrong

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. Republican Michele Reagan, Arizona Secretary of State, runs the Arizona election.

Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party have no say in that.

American Citizens' absolute ignorance of how their government system works is the problem.

[Baitball Blogger]

8. I don't think that conventional thinking about partisan politics applies anymore.

Time to think outside the box.

[geek tragedy]

14. in other words, to invent your own facts nt

[Baitball Blogger]

23. I am not inventing any facts.

I think we have an obligation to confirm that the process is honest.

But, it's true that my experiences do give me a reason to think outside the box. I do happen to live in a residential community that was involved in a conspiracy that crossed party lines, so I do know that these things can happen. If nothing else, it leaves the door open for us to stop thinking that the blame goes to either one party or the other. There may actually be a third option. Why don't we let an investigation take place so we can remove all doubt?

[geek tragedy]

25. there's no need for an investigation--the vote suppression was obvious for everyone

to see.

It was committed by Republicans.

Not Democrats.

Period.

There is nothing--literally--other than your imagination and idle speculation to support the conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton stole Arizona--a state she won in 2008.

So, there's really nothing to investigate.

[NWCorona]

34. Can you clear something up about your post

"the vote suppression was obvious for everyone
to see.

It was committed by Republicans. "

But then you say.

"So, there's really nothing to investigate."


The fact that Republicans were in charge absolves the need of an investigation?

I've said before I believe Hillary won the state but that doesn't mean this shouldn't be looked into.

I'm very surprised that just because Hillary won people are willing to let this slide. It's not like we won't be in Arizona again in November or when ever the general happens in that state.

[Agnosticsherbet]

28. Consider checking out facts. They are amazing things.

though less pleasing, I suppose, to making up a fiction.

[IdaBriggs]

15. Ah. Since the Republicans run things, why not just declare it a fiefdoms

And outside the rule of law?

Or people with money and power can fund lawsuits and investigations to get it cleaned up.

Why look! There are two candidates with money to pay for investigations and lawsuits, and a bully pulpit to discuss disenfranchisement.

What will happen next?

[geek tragedy]

26. no, it's called blaming the Republicans and making sure

they don't get away with it again.

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. It is pointing who was responsible, Michele Reagan is like Katherine Harris in 2000

Both Republicans.
We need to fix that problem not create a conspiracy theory to fit an agenda.

[IdaBriggs]

31. Know what fixes these types of problems? Jail.

http://rangevoting.org/OhioConvictns.html

[Agnosticsherbet]

32. Then contact the Attorney General of Arizona (link to the Contact Us page below)

Attorney General of Arizona

I am not sure if the Attorney General of the US would have jurisdiction, though in a civil rights case, I believe she does.

[IdaBriggs]

33. I am not a citizen of Arizona or on the ballot.

The people who need to do that - Hillary, Bernie and the disenfranchised voters - have my support and encouragement to follow this excellent advice.

[Surya Gayatri]

20. ^^^This!^^^

"American Citizens' absolute ignorance of how their government system works is the problem".

[Trust Buster]

3. Conspiracy theories usually don't require evidence. Nice to see that string has not been broken.

[Snotcicles]

4. About the most patriotic thing one can do is be a whistleblower. nt

[Baitball Blogger]

9. +1

[DanTex]

5. Conspiracy!

[gollygee]

6. This could go two ways

1. Newer voters being turned away would indicate that a lot of votes that would have gone to Bernie are not being submitted. That would hurt Bernie.

2. Republicans are the ones who created this voter suppression, and typically the places where their tactics cause long lines are in areas with a large number of people of color. Based on polls and trends so far, those areas would tend to favor Hillary, so that would hurt her.

I agree that there is voter suppression going on and it needs to be fixed, but I'm not convinced yet whether it favors one candidate or the other.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Worth finding out, don't you think?

[gollygee]

12. Yes, I do

And we want these voter suppression issues handled now and not in November, regardless of which candidate anyone is supporting.

[Baitball Blogger]

18. We agree.

[global1]

24. In November It Will Favor The Repugs As It Was....

designed to do. The Repugs have won here. They have us Dems arguing amongst ourselves when we should be channeling these energies against them.

[marions ghost]

7. You nailed it

Truth.

[Dem2]

11. The caucus system disenfranchises far more voters due to intimidation and physical/time constraints

If the Republican's who run the elections disenfranchised voters in AZ, then I say let's prosecute them. The current system is flawed in many states.

[LettuceSea]

13. Agree

It's about how a mission develops at the top that infects the process down at the local level as grunts try to prove their loyalty.

I think a lot of the 'grunts' get a lot of self-worth and self-importance from being active in the party. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it can distort reality.

[geek tragedy]

16. Anyone who blames Hillary Clinton and the DNC for the actions of the Republican party

in Arizona is peddling bullshit and is not likely a real Democrat.

[Cobalt Violet]

17. you only hear what you want to hear.

No one is saying that.

[geek tragedy]

19. the OP is quite obviously blaming Clinton nt

[Surya Gayatri]

21. Ya think?

[riderinthestorm]

22. K&R! Absolutely nt

[cantbeserious]

27. Regrettably - America Is Already Dead And Destroyed As Aptly Demonstrated This Election Cycle

eom

[oldandhappy]

29. I'll toss in another 2 cents.

[Baitball Blogger]

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