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gordianot

(15,242 posts)
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:09 AM Oct 2012

Romney hinted at last debate they have mined Obama's retirement for investment source.

So if Romney is attacked on his Bain record the response will be your retirement has investments in China or there is Chinese stock in your portfolio. I truly doubt anyones retirement does not have investments free of Chinese investment. For most of us our retirement is truly a blind trust and does not involve retirement investment involving a predatory company we founded like Bain Capital. As disgusting as I find it Bain Capital was listed in some of the investments of my retirement. I am retired I profited from vultures like Romney. There was also Chinese stock and I have no problem with Chinese companies or their investments. I do have a problem with American Companies who ship profitable American jobs out of the country. I also hope Romney plays this tactic similar to what he did in the Republican debates on Obama who will then jam it down Romney's throat.

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Romney hinted at last debate they have mined Obama's retirement for investment source. (Original Post) gordianot Oct 2012 OP
He tried that line in the last debate C_U_L8R Oct 2012 #1
It got cut off by time and Romney did not have time to elaborate due his gloating. gordianot Oct 2012 #4
His Entire Campaign SingleSeatBiggerMeat Oct 2012 #5
This is why MSMITH33156 Oct 2012 #2
Most of us have zero control over our retirement lalalu Oct 2012 #3
Exactly.... RichGirl Oct 2012 #7
Another example of false equivalency JSK Oct 2012 #6
"You want to talk about retirement accounts? How about those tax returns and offshore morningfog Oct 2012 #8
I have no doubt whatsoever that POTUS can handle anything MittLIES throws at him. nc4bo Oct 2012 #9

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
4. It got cut off by time and Romney did not have time to elaborate due his gloating.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:22 AM
Oct 2012

He used this tactic before in Republican debates and I think it will come back.

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
2. This is why
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:20 AM
Oct 2012

while Sensata is awful, the best attack was never to go after Bain doing it now, cause Romney will just say, "everyone has a bunch of stuff in their retirement fund, and some of you profit it in the same way." But the important thing is he did this as CEO. He was active participant. Sensata is bad, but talk about stuff like this:

Romney’s Firm Reaped $100 Million While They Laid Off Workers And Racked Up Debt, Plunging Ampad Into Bankruptcy. ”In 1992, Bain Capital acquired American Pad & Paper, or Ampad, from Mead Corp., embarking on a ‘roll-up strategy’ in which a firm buys up similar companies in the same industry in order to expand revenues and cut costs. Through Ampad, Bain bought several other office supply makers, borrowing heavily each time. By 1999, Ampad’s debt reached nearly $400 million, up from $11 million in 1993, according to government filings. Sales grew, too - for a while. But by the late 1990s, foreign competition and increased buying power by superstores like Bain-funded Staples sliced Ampad’s revenues. The result: Ampad couldn’t pay its debts and plunged into bankruptcy. Workers lost jobs and stockholders were left with worthless shares. Bain Capital, however, made money - and lots of it. … But while as many as 185 workers near Buffalo lost jobs in a 1999 plant closing, Bain Capital and its investors ultimately made more than $100 million on the deal.” [Boston Globe, 6/26/07]


Under Romney, Bain Capital Propelled Dade Behring Toward Bankruptcy While Cutting 1,700 Jobs And Making $242 Million. “At Bain Capital’s direction, Dade [Behring] quadrupled the money it owed creditors and vendors. It took steps that propelled the business toward bankruptcy. And in waves of layoffs, it cut loose 1,700 workers in the United States, including Brian and Christine Shoemaker, who lost their jobs at a plant in Westwood, Mass.… By the time the Harvard M.B.A.’s from Bain were finished, sales at the medical company, Dade International, had more than doubled. The business acquired two of its rivals. And Mr. Romney’s firm collected $242 million, a return eight times its investment.”


Etc, etc, etc

There are a list of companies a mile long, and that was easy picking.
 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
3. Most of us have zero control over our retirement
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:21 AM
Oct 2012

investments. They are even more bundled and convoluted than mortgage investments. So that is completely different from Romney actually having a controlling interest and say in what his companies and investors do.

Just another example of Romney insulting our intelligence by thinking the average American does not know the difference.

This would be an opening for President Obama to bring up Sensata. I see another please proceed governor moment.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
7. Exactly....
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:47 AM
Oct 2012

All Obama has to say is that he didn't choose his retirement, it was given to him by the country like every other president. And that he plans on looking into it and changing it so it only has investments with U.S. companies.

AND point out that ALL of Romney's investments were of his choosing.

I really don't see why Romney would want to bring it up again since it would open the door for mention of his foreign bank accounts and why it is so important to see his last 10 years of tax returns.

Obama can point out that all his personal investments are U.S. and he only has bank accounts in the U.S. Good one two punch!

JSK

(1,123 posts)
6. Another example of false equivalency
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:35 AM
Oct 2012

God, I hope they have a good response planned for this attack from Mittwit. I am sure it will be coming again on Monday.

Anybody whose retirement plan is invested in mutual funds undoubtedly has "investments" in China. They own the world! But the difference is that Romney is a big part of the reason WHY China owns the world! It's absolutely true that he was a pioneer of outsourcing, instructing already profitable companies how to outsource production and jobs, all in the name of greed. We've seen the video about his trips to China and his extolling the wonders of those factories that paid workers 24 cents an hour. Remember his explanation of the fence around one of the factories? He said it was there to keep OUT the throngs of people who were dying to work there. (pun intended)

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
8. "You want to talk about retirement accounts? How about those tax returns and offshore
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:49 AM
Oct 2012

investments you have, mittens? Or did you just suffer another Romnesia attack?"

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
9. I have no doubt whatsoever that POTUS can handle anything MittLIES throws at him.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:50 AM
Oct 2012

Mitt best have a response to counter POTUS. Hope he remembers the last time he stepped into a pile of elephant shit - just a few days ago.

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