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You know what is truly stunning? (Original Post) SHRED Oct 2012 OP
is even close at all Flashmann Oct 2012 #1
It's not madashelltoo Oct 2012 #2
I want to believe that SHRED Oct 2012 #9
I think we're being set up for it pscot Oct 2012 #14
That is the only thing that makes sense to me. Glimmer of Hope Oct 2012 #37
You can thank Citizens United OKNancy Oct 2012 #3
Citizens United and the media ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #7
Eggs-actly...an unhappy concurrence of events. Surya Gayatri Oct 2012 #21
It's scary Z_California Oct 2012 #4
I know! I have been asking that same question... Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #5
The repugs have spent the last four years rekindling rabid racism. ChiTownChavista Oct 2012 #29
I don't believe it is as close as they say. . . daligirl519 Oct 2012 #6
me too. barbtries Oct 2012 #8
It is not really close. Presidential elections very rarely have large margins of victory Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #10
you meant 18.2% SHRED Oct 2012 #22
Don't be so smug! RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #11
That meme simply doesn't pass the gut check test lunatica Oct 2012 #12
As a woman, zoehenry Oct 2012 #13
Welcome to the DU!..and... SHRED Oct 2012 #15
No, It's not All That Stunning Iggy Oct 2012 #16
The economy was in freefall four years ago. CJCRANE Oct 2012 #17
Correction: The Parties are Different-- But NOT Iggy Oct 2012 #36
I think the electoral map on election night GallopingGhost Oct 2012 #18
True. ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #23
Same thing with the shrub's races. UK tabloid- "How can 56 million Americans be so DUMB?" HopeHoops Oct 2012 #19
Bush was elected twice. LisaL Oct 2012 #20
Sorry, war criminal bush was not elected twice. Obvious thefts. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2012 #33
Well. Get over it. Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #24
If you're surprised that its close you haven't been paying attention onenote Oct 2012 #25
Every MSMedia corporation is pure propaganda and criminals are allowed to go free just1voice Oct 2012 #26
It is not. Welcome to 1984. roody Oct 2012 #27
well, you underestimate republican-leaning folks. Lots of them out there n/t JackN415 Oct 2012 #28
Was it P.T. Barnum or H.L. Mencken? 68 Rex Oct 2012 #30
50% of this country voted to re-elect the Chimp Azathoth Oct 2012 #31
Just because Obama won in 2008 doesnt mean America is suddenly a progressive country davidn3600 Oct 2012 #32
I've Been Thinking For A Very, Very Long Time Now ChiciB1 Oct 2012 #34
I'm stunned that Rmoney/Rlyan poll about 30% donheld Oct 2012 #35

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
1. is even close at all
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:41 AM
Oct 2012

up.....To me,it speaks directly to the success of the dumbing down of America.....

pscot

(21,024 posts)
14. I think we're being set up for it
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:49 AM
Oct 2012

The rMoney campaign has hired Ben Ginsberg, who presided over Bush v Gore and the Pawlenty-Franken debacle. The Democrats better lawyer up, because if it's close, or even perceived to be close, the Repukes will try to steal it.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
3. You can thank Citizens United
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:47 AM
Oct 2012

You know, I don't really think the first debate had much to do with the closeness... it's the money
Bags and bags of money that the right has spent.

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
7. Citizens United and the media
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:51 AM
Oct 2012

Citizens United allowed big corps and wealthy to buy their own govt (fuck the rest of us), and the media is pulling record profits off of the deal because now they can spend unlimited amounts of shadowy/black money on advertising. Why would the media mind that or want to change it? They don't.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
21. Eggs-actly...an unhappy concurrence of events.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Just at the precise moment when PBO had an off moment is when Rove and Co. really ramped up their negative onslaught.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
5. I know! I have been asking that same question...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:50 AM
Oct 2012

What the hell is wrong with us? Romney is a buffoon who lies and cheats and is so so so entitled to the Presidency "its my turn," who embarrasses us overseas and will say anything to anybody to get elected...and who will continue the distribution to the rich and keep women in the home barefoot and pregnant and how is able and willing to pay to be President.

Dang America: Pay Attention! Don't believe his lies. Dang.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
8. me too.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:58 AM
Oct 2012

i am really distrustful of that - i think it's spin. i think it's a self-fulfilling prophecy on the part of the right with the media tragically complicit.
i'm not giving in to it. most voters know who the right choice is and will vote for him, and he will win. GOBAMA.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. It is not really close. Presidential elections very rarely have large margins of victory
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:06 AM
Oct 2012

Largest in our times being Ronald Reagan's 58.8% to Walter Mondale's 40.6%, an 8.2% margin. For perspective, Obama won over McCain by 6%. By Presidential standards, a very large margin of victory.
As long as there are many, many Republican voters, the Republican will always get lots of votes, even when they lose. Why anyone would expect otherwise I can not understand...

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
11. Don't be so smug!
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:09 AM
Oct 2012

As Yogi Berra once said, "It ain't ovah till it's ovah!"

The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day.

Get the heck out and vote!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. That meme simply doesn't pass the gut check test
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:15 AM
Oct 2012

It just doesn't. Why would women vote for Romney or Ryan? Because they'll fight for our rights? The right to choose? The right to health care? The right to pay equality? Name one promise they've made to American women. Just one.

There isn't a single thing that women would get out of President Romney. He isn't even bothering to make promises. Even empty ones.

And for that matter what other group have Romney and Ryan wooed? Blacks? Latinos? Gays? Seniors? The youth voters?

He's made promises only to the 1%. Period. And their votes count as much as ours.

Well, maybe not on that last one.

zoehenry

(14 posts)
13. As a woman,
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:34 AM
Oct 2012

I cannot comprehend how any female could possibly consider voting for the binder boys except
for wacky religious reasons or pure racism.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
15. Welcome to the DU!..and...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

...my thought is that any woman (or any non-rich person) who votes for Willard must have an extremely low self image and self worth.

It's as if they need a King to tell them what to do.
An Authoritarian they can cower behind.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
16. No, It's not All That Stunning
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:00 PM
Oct 2012

the other rather LARGE point most people in Bloggo world miss is: if indeed the "two" political
parties are sooooooooo different, doesn't it stand to reason one party or the other would
be vastly more popular/supported than the other?

WHY would numerous people support a political party that SUCKS??

the classic example is the 2000 POTUS race.

Several amateurs over at Salon's public forum were predicting a "landslide" victory for Gore;
the race ended up one of the closest in history, in terms of the popular vote.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
17. The economy was in freefall four years ago.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:10 PM
Oct 2012

The parties are different.

Otherwise the Repub's would be singing GWB's praises and we'd all be nostalgic for the Bush era instead of the Clinton era.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
36. Correction: The Parties are Different-- But NOT
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 07:34 AM
Oct 2012

on major financial policy (and several others).

Please get real; EFCA fell off the radar-- oh, 30 months ago. gone.

Only one congressperson I am aware of, Jesse Jackson, Jr., has been recently vocally advocating for an increase
in the min wage-- and he is apparently very ill. remains to be seen whether he will remain in congress

I assume Kuc and Bernie Sanders also would support an increase in the min wage (long overdue, BTW)..
what other dems in congress support this? I need names, please.

it's more than a bit difficult to see Obama as a huge supporter of Labor-- given the fact when the Scott
Wanker recall vote disaster was peaking, Obama's jet flew over/near Madison the final weekend prior to
the recall vote-- not just once, but twice.

He could spare two hours to show solidarity with Wisconsin workers fighting for their rights??

explain to me how this is "different/better" from what GW Bush would have done.



GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
18. I think the electoral map on election night
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:13 PM
Oct 2012

is going to blow to bits this media pill being crammed down everyone's throats that the election is terrifyingly close. Maybe I'm just a head-up-my-ass eternal optimist, I don't know.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
19. Same thing with the shrub's races. UK tabloid- "How can 56 million Americans be so DUMB?"
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:24 PM
Oct 2012

That pretty much summarized the 2000 and 2004 elections.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
25. If you're surprised that its close you haven't been paying attention
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:51 PM
Oct 2012

Did you miss the 2010 elections? Are you unaware that the unemployment, while improving, is still quite hight? Did you miss the fact that for the past four years, there has been an unrelenting campaign to question the legitimacy of the President?

And for those that just don't "believe" its close and that the polls are being manipulated, I'll ask: if it was that easy to do, why were the polls ever leaning in our direction and why don't they simply show a big margin for Romney. If you were trying to hide election fraud, wouldn't it be better to have a poll that showed a 5 point margin and then have your guy win by 2?

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
26. Every MSMedia corporation is pure propaganda and criminals are allowed to go free
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:12 PM
Oct 2012

everywhere. Torture camp creators go on book tours and most of the South, which was as economy based on human slavery, hasn't changed much in 160 years are you're surprised how those people vote?

 

68 Rex

(81 posts)
30. Was it P.T. Barnum or H.L. Mencken?
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:01 PM
Oct 2012

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people!"

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
31. 50% of this country voted to re-elect the Chimp
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:04 PM
Oct 2012

I still can't get over that one.

The fact that many of those same people now want to blame the Chimp's economic cataclysm on the black guy is just icing on the cake.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
32. Just because Obama won in 2008 doesnt mean America is suddenly a progressive country
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:22 PM
Oct 2012

8 years ago the country re-elected Bush. 2 years ago the country gave the House to the GOP.

America is a politically-divided nation.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
34. I've Been Thinking For A Very, Very Long Time Now
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:29 PM
Oct 2012

that Repukes are still hiding a lot. The fact that Sensata is getting lots of coverage & Romney not even addressing speaks volumes to me!

So close to the election AND still they lie & ignore what's really going on. I could be way off the mark, but sure seems very fishy to me. I'm still fearful that they have something up their sleeves. Could be that I live in Florida, but all the same these numbers shouldn't be this close!

I heard a woman on C-Spam last Thursday right before I went in for rotator cuff surgery saying she's voting for Romney because she doesn't want to have women here wearing BURKAS!

The subject of conversation was for women only, and 9 out of 10 said they were for Romney for some really, really stupid comments! Hardly a word about 47% or women's issues in particular!

BURKAS?? Really, even my husband was shocked.

I don't put ANYTHING PAST Repukes!! Too close in polls & too much ignorance!

donheld

(21,311 posts)
35. I'm stunned that Rmoney/Rlyan poll about 30%
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:53 PM
Oct 2012

That says a lot about the dismal state of our nation.

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