Sarandon is contemptible

[bigtree]

pourmecoffee ‏@pourmecoffee 2h2 hours ago
@joanwalsh @SusanSarandon




Christopher Hayes ‏@chrislhayes 2h2 hours ago
"Some people think that if Trump is elected that will bring the revolution." -- @SusanSarandon #inners

[Trenzalore]

1. She did a hit job on Al Gore 16 years ago.

Glad to see she hasn't learned anything...though being worth 50 million she is insulated and will at least get the tax break.

[bettyellen]

104. That's odd- I thought she was primarily an environmentalist.

[Trenzalore]

105. You would think she would have embraced Al

Not what happened. Campaigned against him for Nader

[bettyellen]

110. What a fucking idiot.

[peacebird]

2. And others think that electing Bernie will bring the revolution, as Susan Sarandon &I do

[Onlooker]

8. No, Bernie won't bring about a revolution ...

... from the hallowed halls of the White House. Revolution happens outside of government. Bernie may bring about a lot of good things, but he will abide by the Constitution and courts, which limit even the power of a president.

[peacebird]

12. Silly, Bernie has always said Revolution depends on We, The People stepping up & demanding it.

And We Are! Did you notice the percentages of his last victories? Which are SIX out of the last SEVEN contests?

[redstateblues]

18. Hillary is ahead by 2,000,000 + voters

There is no revolution

[scscholar]

68. She was ahead in 2008 and had more votes, but still lost!

There's still hope.

[NobodyHere]

129. She only had more votes in 2008 because Obama didn't participate in Michigan

[bobbobbins01]

77. Caucuses and Primaries

Apples and Oranges

Bull Shit and Horse Shit

[Gothmog]

95. Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet

While this article is a little dated, no one has seen any evidence of the so-called Sanders revolution https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/sorry-bernie-sanders-there-is-zero-evidence-of-your-political-revolution-yet/

Bernie Sanders recorded a resounding victory in New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday. He crushed his rival, Hillary Clinton, with no less than 60 percent of the vote. If Sanders hopes not only to win the election but to achieve his ambitious progressive agenda, though, that might not be enough.

To succeed, Sanders might have to drive Americans who don't normally participate to the polls. Unfortunately for him, groups who usually do not vote did not turn out in unusually large numbers in New Hampshire, according to exit polling data.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

...As for Sanders, he credited his victory to turnout. "Because of a huge voter turnout -- and I say huge -- we won," he said in his speech declaring victory, dropping the "h" in "huge." "We harnessed the energy, and the excitement that the Democratic party will need to succeed in November."

In fact, Sanders won by persuading many habitual Democratic primary voters to support him. With 95 percent of precincts reporting their results as of Wednesday morning, just 241,000 ballots had been cast in the Democratic primary, fewer than the 268,000 projected by New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner last week. Nearly 289,000 voters cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary in 2008.

To be sure, the general election is still seven months away. Ordinary Americans might be paying little attention to the campaign at this point, and if Sanders wins the nomination, he'll have the help of the Democratic Party apparatus in registering new voters. The political revolution hasn't started, though, at least not yet.

Without this revolution, I am not sure how Sanders proposes to advance his unrealistic agenda

[bettyellen]

114. Revolution would happen if Twitter and Facebook didn't disrupt their trending memes, dammit!!

Some people actually believe this.

[Gothmog]

121. Sanders needs voters to show and vote which is not happening

Where are the millions and millions of new voters that Sanders is promising?

[EffieBlack]

132. It sounds like the only thing Bernie's revolution has stepped up and demanded is that Bernie become

president.

Otherwise, the revolution doesn't seem to be doing much of anything at all ...

[KingFlorez]

3. Apparently she wants the country to drive off a cliff

Driving off a cliff in a movie is compelling because it's not real. In real life, not such a good idea.

[bettyellen]

4. She is a fucking dilettante who doesn't actually care about poor people.

[Armstead]

22. If she didn't care she'd take the psth of least resistance

And just endorse Clinton, or stay out of politics and spend her time sitting on the beach sipping pina colatas and going to swank parties, and not have to put up with insults from people anout her political activities.

[bettyellen]

32. "the refugees have a branding problem" She should be sitting on the beach instead of sharing these

kinds of insights.

[Armstead]

34. I'm sorry if you disapprove of activism for positive causes

I guess sluglike apathy is preferable

[bettyellen]

39. Smiling at the idea of Trump bringing the nation to it's knees is fucking reprehensible.

She likely does not appreciate the gravity of that. Crap like this would be in ads for Bernie f he made it to Nov.

[Armstead]

47. Interpret it ad you will.

I prefer peopke like her who are putting themselves on the line to those who are always safe or uninvolved.

She wasn't gleeful st the orodpect. She was responding to a question about why some people cant vote for Clinton.

[bettyellen]

50. Not sure who you are inferring is "uninvolved" but idiot schemes to bring the nation down?

Yeah, people aren't going to follow her off that cliff. She has the only parachute.
She went for Nader, she went for Edwards, she is 3/3 with this Trump bullshit. None too bright.

[Armstead]

56. I initially supported Edwards as did many others

Nader I disagreed with his run, but what he said about Corporate Govetnment was absolutely right...

And I think Trump IS a wake up call about how fucked up thevstatus quo has gotten. He is just the logical dead end our shallow politics has been taking us towards

So I guess I'm an idiot too

[bettyellen]

65. Not sure why such staunch lefties would stump for Edwards.

Entertaining fantasies about the collapse of the country, it is just too much.
And as much as I enjoy her honesty, she just made some SBS supporters look like wack jobs. And it will undoubtably be used against him. Hillary might use it. I wouldn't blame her either.

[Logical]

94. Lol, coming from you that is a complement. Nt

[bettyellen]

103. Personal insults again. So very classy.

[Logical]

109. Lol, says the person who said "fucking dilettante"

[bettyellen]

112. she is not a DUer. I am.

[Logical]

125. Which means nothing! Nt

[bravenak]

5. Such a terrible plan

[DanTex]

6. Called it...

Marxist crisis theory/accelerationism. Here the idea is that if we can't have a socialist utopia right now, it's actually better if the inequities and injustices of capitalism become more severe, because that will give rise to class consciousness and hasten the socialist revolution. So Trump would be preferable to Clinton, since all the human suffering he causes would "wake people up." In ol' Karl's words:

But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.

Substitute "Trump" for "free trade" and you have the Bernie or Bust manifesto.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511574419

[hrmjustin]

7. I have lost any respect I had for her.

[geek tragedy]

9. That's the rich lady who richsplained stuff to Dolores Huerta, yes? nt

[MADem]

17. Yes--she tried to tell an agricultural rights icon about agriculture!!

She also said that she couldn't support Clinton because of her IWR vote.


Funny how she had no problem supporting John "Cheater" Edwards...who voted the EXACT same way!

[Chan790]

85. At this point...

I'm willing to give anybody talking shit to Huerta praise...more than any of her critics, she has outed herself as an ugly piece of work unworthy of support and sublimely worthy of contempt.

Who was the last Democrat running for President not named Clinton she didn't attack? She attacked Obama in 2008, Dean and Kerry in 2004, Sanders in 2016...you'd think she'd have stopped long enough to notice that Bill Clinton was terrible for union farmworkers and Hillary's proposals & past cheerleading for FTAs means she'd likely be even worse.

I don't care what she did years ago with Chavez...she's a nasty racist, sexist troll willing to attack her own allies and supporters (and those of farm workers and UFW membership) to advance her own personal interests and opinions. It's interesting that she's so vocal about her opinions and attacks until someone proves they're bullshit, then she shuts the hell up. She doesn't even bother trying to defend them...she knows she's totalmente lleno de mierda.

With leaders like Dolores Huerta, neither progressives or labor needs enemies.

[bigtree]

86. "she's a nasty racist, sexist troll"

...you folks might wonder why your losing so much of the Latino vote.

You needn't wonder.

Blocked.

[Chan790]

89. Happy to lose you as an audience member.

I have no use for people who refuse to accept obvious truths.

If it walks and talks like a nasty racist, sexist troll...it ain't a gnome.

[Starry Messenger]

91. Exactly.

[dogman]

10. No, she's against the death penalty.

Contemptible is Hillary's support for it. Cuz terrorism, FEAR!

[Agschmid]

11. Yup a WTF moment if I've ever seen one.

Wow.

[redstateblues]

13. She is desperate for attention.

Wasn't she a Naderite?

[Trenzalore]

14. Yes.

She campaigned against Al Gore in 2000.

[BeyondGeography]

15. White privilege on steroids

[Joe the Revelator]

54. I seriously give up.

[BeyondGeography]

62. Take a flyer on Trump cuz revolution would be just around the corner?

I give up, too.

[Joe the Revelator]

64. I honestly didn't haven't seen what she said yet, I'm just weary of everytime a white...

...person opens their mouth, their opinion gets labeled as white privilege. Its an effective way to shut down conversation, but doesn't offer much else.

[BeyondGeography]

69. It's not a term I like to throw around

But what would you call a very wealthy liberal person who will be just fine no matter who wins in November and sees imaginary long-term benefits of a Trump presidency while millions of others suffer the consequences?

[Joe the Revelator]

72. I'm watching the link right now, so far the argument that..

...if you believe what Bernie is selling, then its hard to then support Hillary who doesn't hold those same values seems fair to me. Still have a while left in the interview though.The Trump part was fairly benign, unless she says something else in the last minute and a half.

[pkdu]

16. Yep, seemingly willing to consider watching the country burn down under a trump

Presidency , so we all learn our lesson.

Millions of lives will be ruined for her noblesse oblige .

[marmar]

97. It's burning down anyway. It's just a neoliberal slow burn right now.

[polichick]

19. Nope, she's right to think hard about what will actually bring...

the revolution necessary to fundamentally reform our "democracy" - a continuation of the corporate status quo won't do it. Good on her for speaking honestly!

[Vote2016]

20. Why is that contemptible? It's true. What is contemptible about speaking an indisputable truth?

[beam me up scottie]

23. I don't understand the poutrage either, some people do say that, she's not the one saying it.

Some people look for reasons to hate the woman.

[Vote2016]

27. They are acting as if Sarandon was supporting Trump (she's not). They're acting like she's the only

one saying electing Trump would be the end of politics as we know it (she's not).

[beam me up scottie]

29. That's how I read it too, why would she vote for Trump? She supports Bernie.

[Vote2016]

31. They panic when Sanders starts winning states with over 70% support

[beam me up scottie]

33. Bingo! That's why they attacked Bernie's marriage.

[bettyellen]

35. She smiled at the idea of Trump bringing the nation to it's knees.

So, there's that. This would give Trump some amazing ads if Sanders made it to the general.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Oh brother. Like I said some people look for reasons to hate her.

Reminds me of the right wingers who attack her constantly.

They can't stand intelligent opinionated women, too uppity.

[bettyellen]

43. Her saying she would prefer the nation to collapse because of Trump is okay by you?

That is fucking crazy. Nope.

[beam me up scottie]

44. OH MY GOD! She actually said that??? Got a link?

[bettyellen]

52. She smiled and laughed while talking about it- said the "status quo" was more dangerous.

I'm busy now- but sure you can find the link without me.

[beam me up scottie]

53. So no she didn't actually say that, good to know. Keep digging!

I'm sure she did SOMETHING worth condemning.

[Hekate]

78. I highly recommend you watch the interview. The line about Trump bringing The Revolution....

...was all too real. Her pretty eyes were just shining at the prospect. She's certainly entitled to her political opinions, but that was going a good deal too far.

[Vote2016]

42. lol! "Dear Susan, please frown more when discussing the orange clown. Thanks, Mgmt."

[bettyellen]

45. The glimmer in her eye while talking about a collapse was kind of bizarre.

[Vote2016]

51. "Dear Susan, P.S. About the eyes. Tone down the sparkle a bit, hmmmmk? Thanks, the Mgmt."

[ibegurpard]

59. was there a "tone"?

[beam me up scottie]

61. LOL!

[JudyM]

70. LOL! I needed a good out-loud laugh like that one tonight, too!

[bettyellen]

115. Her being gleeful about "things will really explode". Not wise, and pretty fucking heartless.

Because her things are not going to explode.

[Fumesucker]

84. Kind of a "We came, we saw, he died" sort of glimmer?

With a natural and unaffected laugh afterwords?

[bettyellen]

116. She is talking about the "things will really explode." nationwide to millions of people.

Not one brutal dictator. Just a little different.

[Hydra]

37. It's a new meme

There is no Bernie. Bernie is not an option. It's only Hillary or Trump.

The funny thing is if the GOP manages to derail the Donald. Team Hill will be the team that can never make an accurate prediction.

[Vote2016]

48. Hillary NEEDS Trump because it wouldn't even be close if we foolishly nominated her to run against

anyone else (and she's a coin toss against Trump). We need Sanders!

[jillan]

21. Because she doesn't support Hillary? This is America.

She can vote for anyone she wants. It's one of the great things about living here in the USA.

[sufrommich]

88. Well,no shit. ."she can vote for anyone

she wants". Bernie Sander's most prominent surrogate just said she'd vote for Donald Trump,there's no getting around the insanity of that statement.

[jillan]

101. Wait I thought Cornell West was his most prominent surrogate

Now it's Susan the movie star?

[Luminous Animal]

128. She never once said that she would vote for Trump. That is a provable lie.

[sheshe2]

24. KnR!

[Autumn]

25. I think she just finds Hillary contemptible.

She's allowed an opinion.

[bettyellen]

117. gleefully promoting scorched earth fantasies is an option- and she took it.

[Autumn]

118. We have a different perception of her

actual words. Any way I'm out of here till tomorrow night. Do have a nice day.

[bettyellen]

119. It is unfortunate she can't represent Bernie's ideas instead of this scorched earth bullshit.

Have a good one!

[Skwmom]

26. She doesn't want to play the game as dictated. Oh, those independent thinkers...

If we had more independent thinkers, maybe this country wouldn't be SO screwed up.

[redstateblues]

28. She's a Naderite. What else do you need to know?

"Not a dimes worth of difference"? Really?

[k8conant]

30. Sarandon was great tonight on All In with Chris Hayes...

She said nothing contemptible and was very honest.

[bullwinkle428]

38. I'll save "contemptible" to describe those looking to prop up a disgusting loan-sharking industry.

[Armstead]

40. Taking things out of context is contemptsble

She was asked about peopke who would have a hard time viting for Clinton.

She explained.

She also said she is not yet sure what she will do.

[BlueStater]

41. What exactly is wrong with the statement and why does it make her "contemptible"?

She doesn't support Trump. She's stating that some people think him being elected president will change everything, which is totally accurate. He wouldn't have gotten thousands of votes so far if that wasn't true.

[Autumn]

46. I'm gonna go with she didn't say how wonderful Hillary was?

Ergo she is contemptible.

[beam me up scottie]

49. ...

[Autumn]

55. Seriously, amrite?

newt

[beam me up scottie]

58. THERE WAS A GLIMMER IN HER EYE, I SAW IT!!!

[bettyellen]

120. "things will really explode" chuckle chuckle.

Bernie is going to have to dump her or have too much explaining to do. she brought the fringe crazies to the table for everyone to examine.

[lunamagica]

57. She's disgusting. A diletantte who likes to play activist

And who doesn't care how her "activism' may affect other people. She can watch from her ivory tower, unscratched and unaffected by it all

[Dawson Leery]

63. She is the embodiment of the characature of the left

from the 70's that made Democrats appear weak.

If Susie sees Benito Trump as acceptable, then this speaks of her lack of integrity.

[beedle]

100. Sorry

Are you talking about Susan or Hillary? I know you are a Hillary supporter but you seem to be describing Hillary.

[lunamagica]

124. You know perfectly well who I'm talking about. Calling Hillary a Dillattante is one of the most

absurd things I've ever read. The woman has been working hard her entire life. Out of law school, instead of taking a cushy job, she worked for the Children's defense fund.

She has been an extremely popular senator of one of the biggest, most complex, populated and diverse states in the country. Then she was Sec. of State.

Calling Hillary a Dilettante is rich coming from a Sanders supporter, A man who went from odd job to odd job until he was 40 years old, a man who never even voted in his life before he was 40 -and then he voted only to vote for himself, a man who's a Senator of one of the smallest, less populated, less diverse states in the country.

Get real!

[toshiba783]

60. wow

Susan Sarandon really comes across as someone who has been educated about Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton strictly through internet memes and Facebook.

Anyone know if the employees at her ping pong club (Spin) are paid the 15 dollar minimum wage that she advocates?

[malokvale77]

66. Your contempt of anyone who doesn't support HRC is contemptible.

Tell me once again where you post OPs supporting Hillary on the issues.

[LisaM]

67. She can support whomevet she likes but

she clearly bought into the false narrative about Al Gore and now she's buying into a false narrative about Clinton, IMO. She just recycles talking points. I wish she'd have a more nuanced assessment of things.

[nichomachus]

73. What is the false narrative about Mrs. Clinton?

Are you saying she didn't vote for the illegal invasion of Iraq, that she wasn't behind the destruction of Libya, that she doesn't support the death penalty, that she isn't willing to "compromise" on abortion rights, that she didn't oppose same-sex marriage until it was politically expedient to belatedly support it, that she didn't support TPP, that she hasn't taken millions in fees and donations from Wall Street banksters?

[slipslidingaway]

71. Here is the full video ...

Extended interview with Susan Sarandon

&feature=youtu.be

[rbrnmw]

133. Wow Susan doesn't like Monsanto

Guess who was a highly paid consultant of Monsanto? That's right folks Tad Devine.

[ThePhilosopher04]

74. GOD BLESS SUSAN SARANDON! TRUE PATRIOT!

[Hekate]

75. Chris Hayes looked absolutely gobsmacked. She looked like a starry-eyed 17 year old...

...and sounded like a lunatic. The line about the election of Trump being hunky-dory because "Some people think that if Trump is elected that will bring The Revolution" was the frosting on the cake.

Bernie is a good man, but honest to gods, some of his supporters Have. No. Clue.

[EdwardBernays]

76. Soon funny

How out of touch Clintonites are.

On this very site a poll found that less than 2 in 10 people found Clinton trustworthy. More Republicans than Democrats have voted in the primaries and what Sarandon said about Trump supporters is absolutely true. As is what she said about Clinton.

[leveymg]

79. Classic Ten Minute Hate Thread

Impressive in its own way. Some doctoral student is going to thank you guys for that display.

[bettyellen]

134. Silly but expected reference to Orwell.

[leveymg]

135. The comparision is apt. Go ahead if it makes you feel better.

[Bad Dog]

80. She's just a private citizen expressing an opinion.

she may be a half decent actress but that doesn't mean her opinion has any special significance, or that she's contemptible for expressing it.

[blueintelligentsia]

81. She's a communist....her and thelma should drive off a cliff n/t

[72DejaVu]

82. Thelma endorsed Hillary

[blueintelligentsia]

83. Damn.....n/t

[hellofromreddit]

87. It's her vote. You could always try earning it.

[Chan790]

90. They don't want to earn it. They feel they're entitled to it.

You are factually arguing with the faction of Democrats that think progressives should shut the fuck up and follow them off a RW cliff because it looks strong and electable. How funny that it takes a woman who became famous in-part for driving off a cliff in a movie to call them on it.

Note that these are the same people that claim it will be our faults if the majority of Americans reject Hillary for the terrible candidate and terrible human being that she really is...because clearly such a loss will be our faults for not believing in Hillary hard enough (Let's call that what it is...a "Tinkerbell" candidacy.), not Hillary's for being a terrible candidate who has twice proven she also runs a terrible campaign and has no values she won't compromise to win.

[LexVegas]

92. She is disgusting. nt

[Scuba]

93. I miss the unrec button.

[LWolf]

96. I can think of a whole lot of people

who are more contemptible than Sarandon.

[steve2470]

98. If Trump gets elected, I'd be more willing to bet on a fascist revolution than a socialist one....

The fascists on the right are much more willing to use violence and guns to achieve their ends than we on the left. Better to hold your nose, vote for Secretary Clinton (which I'm doing gladly after my primary vote for Sanders), and then work hard for change, no matter who gets elected.

[Katashi_itto]

106. Sorry not voting for the lesser of two evils again.

[steve2470]

107. ok, enjoy Trump or whoever the Republican is, bye nt

[Katashi_itto]

108. Guess You should have supported the better canidate

[bettyellen]

111. it's too much hard work. people seem to thing insta-revolution is possible. brought to you by

Twitter and Facebook.

[steve2470]

113. yep

Voting is only the first step in any political revolution. Senator Sanders' supporters, of which I am one, are going to be bitterly disappointed when he turns out not to be the perfect progressive in office. Not even FDR was regarded extremely well on the left.

[TheSarcastinator]

99. that's good poutrage, bigtree!

You sure do a fine imitation of a twelve year old with their knickers in a knot.

[robbedvoter]

102. But don't you remember the 2004 revolution that W brought about?

So many great things silly Gore couldn't have brought us! 9.11 (he has an anti-terrorism plan W discarded(, the war in Iraq (they rejected demands for iy PNAC made of them), the recession... But maybe W wasn't awful enough. So, obviously, these terrible times Obama created need some Trump revolution. Yet again. Also, check my bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Good price!

[ViseGrip]

122. Only in a country with suppressed speech would that be said about her.

[bigtree]

123. suppressing this

...blocked.

[KamaAina]

126. Okay, take out your yellow highlighter and run it across "Some people think...".

Is that statement false? No. Does it imply that she is one of those people? No. Poutrage off, please.

[Eleanors38]

127. "Revolution?" Then why is she for gun control?

[Carolina]

130. Great interview

There was nothing inflammatory in Susan's responses. HRC supporters distort Susan's words much as her campaign does Bernie's tone.

The take home message from the interview: consistency and right side of history. Also, HRC is bought by frackers and promotes fracking worldwide while stateside, corporations can frack on private land (think small farms/farmers). What a slick firm of corporate eminent domain. People know that HRC does not have their backs!

Susan made some excellent points, all lost on the HRC camp because of vitriol and general hatred of Susan... But haters gotta hate

[TheSarcastinator]

131. If Bernie is "responsible" for Susan Sarandon's comments and comments

then Hillary is responsible for Anthony Weiner. That sexist, sexting brute is married to longtime Hillary aide Huma Abedin, who also serves as the vice chair of Hillary's current campaign. When will Hillary apologize for Weiner's wandering weiner??????