2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRemember when the divisiveness began on DU, I do, it was spring/summer of 2014...
with posts that stated 'old white males should just fade away' and give way to a younger generation.
Afterwards it changed to more of a racial divide and 'not good enough Bernie' it did not matter that Sanders was on the front lines for equality, that was just glossed over.
Kudos to Black Men for Bernie for going out there and confronting the issue and taking a stance against the negativity and racial bias, last I read they are in Philly, then NY and across the country to California.
http://blackmenforbernie.com/
Problem is the younger generation is not as constrained by parties, they look at issues above fighting for a label, so the general election will have less willing soldiers/participants to go along with what the establishment would like to see.
But the idea of separating people, be they older white males, racial minorities or gender preference needs to be acknowledged and pushed back as a reason to support or deny their chance to survive in our nation.
We all need to strive for a better world and not segment people by some false sense of equality, but seek common ground on issues where we agree upon.
MADem
(135,425 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)between my husband's two stem cell transplants, you might think I am also suffering from the effects of chemo brain and having
one's immune system wiped out four times, but I was just a witness.
The divisive posts need to end ... either you are for the survival of the majority or you are not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5078402
Thanks for linking the two original posts which mention the WHITE MEN on DU ...
sheshe2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025060206#post12
"...I have read too many times here that we need to try to reach out to... Drumroll please...... WHITE MEN! Not our base, and our voters, but we need to reach out to old white males and not say stuff that might make them anxious. Why? Because the board is full of them and some of them think that the nation is not paying attention to their problems ..."
Then in response to another poster ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5060383
"After you old guys are gone the rest of us will make up the new majority ..."
Since then there seems to have been lots of back peddling, but those were the original comments directed at old, white men of DU. Sad that these type of comments will now be acceptable on DU.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that is defying monolithic voter blocs. I feel it is a good thing, too, that regardless of which demographic voters belong to, they choose for themselves.
It makes politicians and pundits want to tear their hair out.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)is a short term discomfort, now that is a whole is a whole other conversation and the meaning of short term consequences and of course the meaning of is
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Because the girls of the BOG were still talking to me back in 2014.
But, after the spring of 2015, not so much.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)by suggesting that Hillary should have a challenger in the Democratic primary.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)if you objected to an issue it was deemed you some underlying racial bias, even though many people voted for him not based on the color of his skin.
A challenger is good, it makes us think, not just accept
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and I remember thinking back then.... this was no good! This was clearly a tool to divide people, it quickly became a white vs black issue heading into the 2015 primary election season and we see how this has evolved or more accurately devolved.
Seeds are planted in the prior year But if you were critical, then you were a closet racist, so people did not object.
Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:51 PM
bravenak (25,837 posts)
12. I believe i read last night that the reason some can't give him any credit is because.......
Anti Obama posts get more recs. I believe thats was the jist of it.
My best explanation for the lack of support he receives here as opposed to the broad support he receives from the party as a whole is because the make up/demographics of DU is not representative of the party's demographics nationally. The base of the party is women, Blacks, Asians and Latinos/Hispanics along with LGBT and young people. The make up of DU skews heavily older, whiter, and more male than the Democratic party and has a heavy streak of Libertarianism. We have been seeing a bit of a xenophobic attitude lately, a coldness towards AA's, some homophobia and a nice tasty dash of sexism to round out the course. And those posts can go to jury and stand.
Why would anyone who isn't already here who is of the base as i described above want to join and engage with us just to be called a Obamabot or a reverse racist or a screeching feminist or told to speak english or go away by democrats?
Our democratic board has so much in common with republican boards i like to read and compare us to them and sometimes i LOL at the similarities between their posters and ours.
I have read too many times here that we need to try to reach out to... Drumroll please...... WHITE MEN! Not our base, and our voters, but we need to reach out to old white males and not say stuff that might make them anxious. Why? Because the board is full of them and some of them think that the nation is not paying attention to their problems.
That's my tldr explanation of the sickness that we suffer from.
Voted!!!!!
haikugal
(6,476 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)WTH is wrong with these people who seek to divide constantly?
Totally bewildered ... and way past my bedtime
haikugal
(6,476 posts)If you're tired go here...read and be refreshed.
http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php
We are working for a different future.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)unfortunately the 'underground' future might not be very hospitable and too much establishment friendly.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Glad you know where to find everyone!
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)done that twice in real life in the past years, so it is a slow progress.
Registered with the same name over there, yet to post though.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)those seeking to divide people took roots back in 2014, sorry but I found that disgusting/ discouraging and demeaning almost two years ago, it still is today.
And I am not even a guy!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5060383
bravenak (25,842 posts)
41. After you old guys are gone the rest of us will make up the new majority.
I think it will take much less time than the estimates project. I have two children, he has four, i expect to have two more and that will still mean i will have the least amount of children for a Lady in my family. My grandmother had ten. Most of my friends have several already and are continuing to procreate. Many of my white friends are in mixed marriages and have several children who identify as asian or black or hispanic not white. Minorities are not cozy with wall street for the most part, and women especially single one are less likely to vote Republican. So in twenty years we will not have 2 Parties run by Old white Dudes who service the rich. We will be voting ourselves a right good part of their money, praise R'hllor.
You got to realize that power is shifting towards a more liberal society and that it is the old white men who are standing in the way of progress, passing shit laws and fighting against womens rights. The kids growing up see their congressmen screeching about illegals, urban youths, thugs, wetbacks and more. They will not be voting for Republicans. And Democrats better get our shit together and start bringing in the next generation quickly before Republicans decide to get smart, steal our platform, and out voters. Because sorry to tell you, the youth is not interested in the NSA all day everyday, they post every private thought they have on Tumblr, facebook, etc.
They will kill wall street when they get their time. I'll be right here helping them find the means. And we need their help to do it because the old party bosses still control the legislature, for now.
The only way to get the votes is to get the voters engaged. And horror stories about how much you hate Obama is not a good lure when you are fishing in a pond of Obama supporters, and the youth , women, lgbt's, and minorities are supporters of this President. You are driving them away and losing us votes.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Neocon Dems are doing what they do best.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)it is heartening to see several long time posters supporting Sanders, but there are others who left or were banned years ago.
Welsh terrier who argued for the need to advance an issue, you need to argue for idea before it becomes a reality!
Hannah who spoke of SS and the need to tax capital gains, just raising the cap on SS is not going to do it and would tilt the equation so it would becomes unbalanced, their voices have been missed for years.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)"lower and middle classes are losing their livelihoods, health, and hope itself? well if they're WHITE let THEM see what it's like!"
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Something happens when a Clinton is in the mix.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)And this election really is seeing the rise of the SJW campaign style.
I know there are people - good, well-meaning people - who hate that term. But I strongly feel it is an apt descriptor of a segment of regressive liberal who forgot why social justice matters and instead started playing semantic games through which to express personal rage, and in turn attempt to become the authoritarian power as compensation for perceived powerlessness.
Bashing white people and white men in particular is part of it. The fact people feel like it's nothing to bash white men when plenty of them are liberals should be a giant, flaming sign that there is an utter lack of focus or even cursory thinking involved. DU allows this sort of thing as a matter of rote. Do you have a problem? There's a white man behind it. Somewhere. Fuck that guy.
But, this thinking is poisonous, because the questions of oppression, appropriation, and systematic discrimination become games.
Look at where we are with this now. Only a certain kind of minority opinion is allowed. Are you a PoC with the wrong opinion? Off with you. And you're probably not really a PoC anyway. Are you a woman that veered off into independent thinking? You're a slave to patriarchy, or just want to impress boys, and here, let us slut shame and objectify you as a way of insult. Are you an LGBTer who is fully conscious of where we are and where we're going? No, no. Let these straight people mangle your history, and should you object, well, you're just a dissatisfied hater.
We've gone from a party of diversity to a party where there is an Official Minority Opinion, and there is nothing worse than a minority who doesn't tow the official line. They get it the worst. I know this. I'm a gay man. I've watched smears and slanders and attempts at shutting down if I don't express the correct opinion. On this board alone, I've literally sat through episodes of straight people more or less going, "Hooray for gay rights! Wait, you're criticizing my favored politician? STFU, f----t!" And then merrily proceed, instilled with a sense of self-righteousness that one rarely sees outside of an actual religion.
From the outside, this looks like pure insanity, if not some kind of psychological disorder.
But there's literally no talking to the people who are engaged in this. You would have better luck bothering about a Scientologist.
I'm a regular ole liberal. I believe in racial equality. I believe that cultural blending is a good thing. I believe institutional racism and sexism exist and must be combated. I believe the LGBT community should be self-deterministic. I believe shitty speech is best countered by more speech. I believe people should be secure in their opinions without losing their livelihoods.
This is anathema to a regressive, authoritarian crowd. They call themselves liberal, but they're not. They're a new creature, and one I have no truck with.
But damn if they're not incredibly active.
Fortunately, I already see the blowback. People just aren't having this shit the way they used to. And the regressives will scream about privilege, -isms, and a thousand other vocab words they learned on the internet.
But I firmly believe common sense and common rationality will prevail. Because half this shit doesn't stand up to even five minutes worth of critical thought.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You need to make that an op, you totally nailed it AGAIN Prism.
Vitriolic tumblrisms get added to my ignore list with roughly the same speed of an anti-Semite.
Prism
(5,815 posts)And it's amazing, because these are ostensibly people interested in social justice, but they really don't seem to like gay men. And they really, really don't care for trans people.
But there is no buying of clues in the wheel of suburban oppression.
I spent two years trying to tolerate that thicket of radical feminism and the fact that TERFs kept showing up day after day; but I eventually gave up and deleted my account. HRC's supporters think Bernie supporters are zealots? They ain't seen nothin'. Well, with exception of a couple people on their side.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Until their leader got banned. Then they cowered down and started (marginally) behaving. They're still here, though. And still playing the same games. Just not bashing the transgendered anymore.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)All you have to do is look at how they post now.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)...unfortunately it got taken over by right-wing idiots ranting about "cultural Marxism".
Prism
(5,815 posts)It used to be a subreddit where liberals looked at insanity, but there's a definite tea party strain bouncing about now.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)One of the clearest thinkers and best writers here on DU.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)accepting. I believe that building a foundation on the backs of another segment of society is not a winning strategy, but you said it much better than I can, thanks!!!
I was surprised when my 25 year old son told me tonight there is now not a chance he could ever vote for Hillary, something his friends have been saying for weeks.
They realize the insanity of the other party, but they also see the rigged two party system and are willing to take a stand now.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Response to Prism (Reply #21)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Third wayers started swarming this site after Obama became a "moderate republican."
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Yes, I have noticed that a lot of those have become Bernie or Busters. Hmm...
Jokerman
(3,518 posts)It's the 2008 election cycle all over again.
"Hillary WILL be the nominee so if ANYONE says ANYTHING negative about her the Democratic Party is DOOMED!" (paraphrasing only slightly)
Don't so much as wince when Hillary wears her religion on her sleeve or the two groups will join to form the perfect storm.
"OMG - Tom Tomorrow is being CONTROVERSIAL!?!?!"
"OMG - The Rude Pundit is being RUDE!?!?!"
I've served on 4 juries in the last 24 hours and everyone of the alerts was a bullshit attempt to silence discussion about the rude one.
I served as a real juror once in an attempted murder trial and came home exhausted and completely disillusioned with the jury system so I guess I shouldn't be surprised when the DU jury system lets me down.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Still can't get over how you called that.
Jokerman
(3,518 posts)One of the many, many memorable quotes from "Bob Roberts".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103850/?ref_=nv_sr_1
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"Profestic"
Perfect!
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)And the the issue was the support among Democrats for the Bush plans to launch a war of aggression in the Middle East. And there have been many major waves of "divisiveness" ever since, which some people seem to think, correctly I'd say, is actually a form of democratic debate.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)Issues above party labels
Issues above identity politics
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)there, for the ten years prior on DU I never remember DU members telling the old white people (guys) to just shut up.
There should be a method to assert inequities without maligning another group.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)there is a pretty strong correlation between the Obama bashers and now those that are anti Hillary. And I'm not the only one that has noticed.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)This site became infested with Centrist BS telling us how wonderful the ACA was.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)almost all objections to policy were then rooted in the color of a person's skin. I agree that many policy disputes were viewed from centrist policies but they now had another out ... someone was being biased because of the color of Obama's skin. Hard to overcome and to combat.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)first we had the (white) guys and then we had the 'Not good enough Bernie' thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025
Surely we can address racial issues without demeaning other groups.
Thx for the comments
retrowire
(10,345 posts)If a trans lady got on stage and gave the same platform as Bernie, I'd be all for her.
I do not give a fuuuuuuuckkkk. It's the message that matters.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Noobs.
It's always been like this during primary season.
Everyone needs to chill the fuck out
But nobody will, and it's kind of admirable.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)or whatever was a more recent (and destructive) addition to DU.
Not something to be proud of in my opinion and certainly not something we should just laugh off.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)The forum right now is downright civil compared to that.
People are passionate about the future of this country.
All this debate just makes us sharper.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Things were much more copacetic around here when George Bush was president. It helped to have a common enemy.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and then especially during this election. But I so I agree that having a common foe, such as Bush, puts people at ease, or maybe to sleep
We could also say that having a Dem in the WH puts people to sleep and they shy away from their duties to hold elected officials accountable.