2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSusan Sarandon is the perfect face of the Bernie or Bust movement.
Rich, white, and owns a trendy ping-pong nightclub in Manhattan.
What happens to her if Trump gets elected? Nothing. She keeps being rich and white and owning a trendy ping-pong nightclub in Manhattan. And she keeps going on TV and complaining about problems that don't affect her and that she has made worse by helping Trump get elected.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Pure as the driven snow.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)labor
appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)And smart and dedicated. Good face for any movement.
Clinton's SOS policies in the end helped make Syrian refugees. Sarandon at least wants to help them.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/29/susan-sarandon-refugees-lesbos-christmas
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)the very essence of a limousine liberal.
And massively overrated as an actress.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I guess successful folks can't support Bernie now?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)people.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Tanuki
(14,920 posts)money supporting down-ticket Democrats all over the country as the Clooneys do.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)despicable.
A Trump presidency will nor affect her, but it would be devastating for millions
brush
(53,868 posts)There's a word for that.
Hypo . . . hypo something?
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)with no links or otherwise, but please, continue.
We all know it's only because she didn't sing 'TOUCH ME, creature of the night!' to you.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I'm sure I'd be able to afford that instead of one of hillaries dinners....probably for 99% less the cost too!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I like and admire Clooney -- but it is just an example of the hypocrisy of your post....
You know who hates rich Hollywood limousine liberals don't you? Warch you some Fox news. Your meme is straight out of the mouth of Greg Guttfield or Bill o'Reilly.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)She was asked a question and answered it without saying it is what she wants.People are allowed to express themselves you know.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)http://www.israel21c.org/susan-sarandon-meets-israeli-aid-workers-helping-refugees/
http://www.heifer.org/join-the-conversation/blog/2012/October/susan-sarandon-heifer-internationals-work-empowers-women.html
http://www.microgiving.com/blog/2014/04/susan-sarandon-charity-star-works-end-hunger-empower-women/
Susan Sarandon Charity: Star Works to End Hunger and Empower Women
Posted in Help People by Becky Raymond
sarandon_microgiving
newsday.com
Known for her roles in films like The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Bill Durham, Dead Man Walking, and Thelma & Louise, Susan Sarandon has had a successful and varied career in film. In addition to her roles as an actress, she has also served as a narrator for films and documentaries. Shes been in the spotlight for more than four decades now, and Sarandon often uses her celebrity to promote causes that help the poor, feed the hungry and empower women. Find out what the top Susan Sarandon charities are below.
Heifer International
Heifer International is a nonprofit organization dedicated to putting an end to world hunger and poverty. Sarandon has worked with them for years, and in 2012 did an in-person stint in Cambodia with Heifer International. There, she discovered that the women are the glue that holds families and communities together, especially when it comes to food. They both grow and prepare food and are the first line of defense against hunger. In September 2013, Susan Sarandons charity work was recognized by the organization when they made her the guest of honor at their latest benefit.
UNICEF
Since December 1999, Sarandon has dedicated much of her time helping UNICEF fight hunger, empower women and help people with HIV/AIDS. She became the UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador during that year. She helped launch the organizations publication called The State of the Worlds Children, a publication that focuses on childhood poverty. She has also done a number of PSAs for UNICEF to help promote their causes around the world.
Amazon Conservation Team
A favorite Susan Sarandon charity is the Amazon Conservation Team (ACT), a nonprofit that works to conserve the Amazon Rainforest and the culture of the people that live there. It was founded in 1996, and Sarandon has served on both the Board of Directors and the Advisory board for the organization. She has also narrated two award-winning films for ACT.
Yele Haiti
The Yele Haiti Foundation started by Wyclef Jean is another top Susan Sarandon charity. She serves on the board of advisors for the organization, which works to promote education, health, and community development in Haiti. Haiti is a poor nation, so Wyclef Jeans objective is to give the country hope, strength, and optimism about the future. One of the organizations biggest campaigns was for relief for the victims of the 2010 earthquake that ravaged the country.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271722-susan-sarandon-hollywood-stars-afraid-of-backing-sanders
There is only one candidate who cares about the environment in a real way and has not accepted money from the very people were trying to protect ourselves from, Sarandon added of the independent Vermont lawmaker.
I am very enthusiastic about having a candidate who lives and professes a progressive platform because I care about the environment, and I care about women and children and the middle class.
Sarandon additionally derided the media for boosting Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trumps credibility with voters.
The press is responsible for making Trump who he is, she said. "Things have just not stuck on him, and I blame a lot of the circus that was created by the press and not treated seriously for allowing him to get as far as he has.
Were just not reporting in-depth, responsible, grown-up kind of journalism. For being such a powerful country, we need to be better informed and more responsible in how we go about choosing candidates.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)the world, but still, I commend her for her efforts.
However, when she goes on national TV and justifies people helping Trump win on the grounds that it would hasten "the revolution," she deserves to be called out on it.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... Sarandon is and that's the pity here.
Continue to excuse her, I'm sure the ussual "no one ever defended Sarandon" post will show up in a month or two
HRC is doing a bang up job of that on her own.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)Instead of bringing the party together they are binge-flaming the progressive half of the base.
It's a dumb idea but they can't seem to stop. Too arrogant. Or maybe they really want Trump and Supreme Court, and etc....
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I'm part of the progressive half of the base. People who are considering helping Trump become president aren't progressives.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)Precisely. Why is the Clinton campaign doing that? It's so dumb to binge-flame the progressive base. It's going to let Trump win!
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)But she pulled herself up by her bootstraps, evidently.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)willing to sing whatever song they called, for a small donation.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Couldn't tell the difference between Bush and Gore. After that disaster, it's hard to believe she's doubling down.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)His message and life's work is exactly what many DUers have claimed to want over the years. But since he had the effrontery to run as a minor candidate in what should have been a landslide for the Democrats, but which was stolen by the Supreme Court he is now a demon.
Same thing is being done to Sanders and his supporters by some people on DU for having the effrontery to run against Clinton in the primary.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)compared with their similarities.
Here's what Bernie said:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-candidate
Bernie is a good man who will help us beat the GOP in the fall and go back to a productive life on behalf of the people in the Senate. Nader outlived his usefulness a long time ago.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Nader was right. And he and the network of organization have done a great job of einvestigating and trying to expose corporate malfeasance and abuse of power over the years.
Yes he was a moron in the political sphere, and he let his ego get the better of him. But his underlying message is still right on.
I think Gore had the right instincts. I remember his convention acceptance speech was great....but the corporate centrists subsequently muzzled him, and he lost his populist edge.
Gore has been much better as a private citizen where he could unleash his inner progressive.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)The election wouldn't have been that close if not for the last week/10 days of his campaign when he shelved the canned stuff, started speaking from his heart and turned out the base. But who couldn't tell that W. was a smirking, incurious angryman who would do significant damage to our country? That was right there for everyone to see. And now, faced with Trump, an even more obvious disaster, we see otherwise intelligent people making the same dumbass mistake.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He was a fool for not doing that.
I'm not defending his personal failings. But Nader was voicing the frustration of many who were (and are) worried about the systemic corruption of our government and politics.
I think, if one removed the politics and personal animosity, if Naders achievements and message over the years were presented to Democrats, I think many -- even those who support Clinton for pragmatic reasons -- would totally agree with his positions.
brush
(53,868 posts)Too bad as he ended up helping Cheney/Bush devastate the Middle East still being felt today with ISIS and the like and not to mention our own economy.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But his campaign did represent the same frustrations that are now being expressed on a more widespread basis by the movement behind Bernie
brush
(53,868 posts)the misguided, IMO, tunnel vision of the "Bernie of Bust" crowd.
I vote blue no matter who, which would seem to be a no-brainer to sentient, progressive beings considering the alterative possibility of a Trump or Cruz presidency.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Time goes by so quickly, often we don't fully Grok the entirety of the changes along the way. There are many newish posters that are not at all representative of the DU we joined years ago. You earlier than I (I didn't officially register until '04. but did read the site along with Bartcop and a few others. previous to joining)
Back then and indeed for quite a while after, we were almost unanimously anti war, pro liberal and unapologetically against a corrupt system.
Now we are over run with people that favor war and hawks, defend corruption and embrace the corrupt system and write apologetic screeds in favor of such corruption and rather than being pro liberal, many are rabidly neo-liberal, I see it all the time coming from prolific posters with post counts triple my own that have only been here a year or two.
Where once I saw unity, I now see the seeds of division sown in an effort to promote a neo-liberal agenda and Rovian tactics being employed in such an obvious way that it appears the site we once knew has gone half circle (180°) and promotes so much of what Bush stood for as to be unrecognizable from the liberal haven it once was.
Those that would applaud the man's life work, many of whom did not agree with his run, but were aware enough to know it was election fraud and a corrupt SCOTUS that installed an un elected hawk that favored the interests of the wealthy into the WH, are fewer now than ever, having been slowly replaced with those that not only favor War and it's chief current hawk, but also the interests of the wealthy and elite corrupt system that was at one time universally opposed here.
My dear friend, this is no longer the site we joined and those of us that still believe in such principles as were once common here are being slowly, but efficiently replaced by what we joined together here to fight against over a decade ago.
The same has happened to the party, which is why those registered as Democrats are shrinking at an alarming rate. The entire dynamic is unstable, and so the only thing certain is uncertainty regarding both the party and the site. Perhaps both will implode or both will return to saner, more equitable and just ideals, only time will tell.
One thing has however become apparently certain, the underground aspect of the site is nearly now non-existent for it is fast becoming just another extension of a party corrupted as surely as it's chair DWS.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)There's always been a similar division on DU, and I think there are still a lot of progressives here.
But overall, I agree that the increase in outright conservative nonsense seems quite contrary to what the majority here were once about.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and that Sanders says totally different things than his most famous surrogate? she is way off message with this "things will really explode" bullshit. That is nothing to smile and laugh about. Bernie cannot be happy about this.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)When Chris Hayes said "But isn't that dangerous?
She responded (slightly paraphrased) "If you don't think it's dangerous to prop up the present status quo then you're not paying attention."
I agree. If we keep going in this direction, we'll soon either be mired in dystopia or experience a series of not very pleasant reactions to a system that is depriving people of opportunity, decimating the middle and working class, ignoring the poor.....All while the upper 10 percent keep siphoning obscene levels of wealth upward....And if the political system continues to be in thrall to Big Corporations and the Billionaire Class......well, it won't be pretty.
I realize those are sweeping statements but there are specifics of that everywhere.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)he is- and those that followed him. Thanks for Bush/Cheney
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Have you ever bothered to read what he has said and written outside of the two-party political frame?
I could find links but i won't bother.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)That interview should be broadcast nationwide.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)who wants to preserve every tax break for people who make a million dollars a year because that's really only middle class.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)About sums it up for me.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Go blow smoke somewhere else.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And if you want to go blow smoke I can suggest where
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Her shit post trended for hours last night. Feeble efforts to hand-wave it noted.
Darb
(2,807 posts)All the anti-Hillarys are in cahoots to ban alternative opinions on the StopHillary Underground.
dchill
(38,532 posts)Or, perhaps not?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)dchill
(38,532 posts)Thought he was a Clinton supporter.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)You mean that kind of civil rights icon?
No I don't think Clooney has done that.
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)and other polls show her losing support and him gaining too.
(Insert dismissive little smiley snark here)
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)The candidate that wins the nomination. And then we can all come back and see who was right.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)If I have to explain it to you....it's not worth explaining
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... and having power to change it and being a minority of some type which everyone in the country falls into that category during their life.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)The more things change, the more they stay the same.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Gosh, why did those qualities of hers not make the list?
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)Her appearance on the Chris Hayes show was disturbing
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)The BoB movement is almost nonexistent.
So it appears to be a nonissue.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Is all you've got for why we should vote for Hillary is that she'll continue to destroy democracy and disenfranchise people of color, not to mention the middle class, much more discretely than a crazy person like Trump?
Fuck, at this point I'd rather somebody step on the gas and wake people up than to continue this sleepy cruising speed towards the cliff. That isn't white privilege speaking. It's looking long term. If I thought that Clinton didn't work for the very interests that are literally pilfering the American Dream, which is disproportionately hurting minorities, and then buying our democracy with the spoils, I wouldn't be so conflicted about whether or not to vote for her in the general.
But I'm not going to be manipulated into voting to the right of Eisenhower because the alternate choice is "armageddon." That's a staged narrative. Hell, given that we have such a disaster on the Republican ticket, Clinton could tack far left, as Bernie has shown, and still beat him handily in the general, but she won't, because we aren't who she's working for. Don't tell me it's because she needs to work across the aisle, Obama tried working across the aisle. He made concession after concession, but with the money in politics we have, and the gerrymandered districts to boot, there was literally no incentive for the GOP to compromise. If for some reason Clinton can, as she says, get legislation passed, then I shutter to think of the consequences of that legislation.
By the way, as a rich person, Susan actually does stand to pay more in taxes under a realized Sanders tax plan. I have no problem with people voting their self interests, but when insiders and CEOS, basically anybody making over 200,000, get behind Clinton, that's far more predictable, because it's actually good for them. It doesn't mean its the reason, but it's a hell of a lot more convenient. To pretend that its them that's looking out for everyone else and its people like Susan who are in an insular bubble, is kind of a hard sell to me when their politics just happen to align with the lining of their pockets, or with the health of their particular cause through access. It's just kind of silly that people keep pointing out every single Bernie supporter who's a millionaire, because these people are either fundamentally misunderstanding what it is we are objecting to -- money in politics -- not to having money, or they are intentionally misrepresenting it for the easy zinger. I look forward to future memes of "it snowed here in Arizona, so much for climate change."
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)from those who say, "see, many Bernie supporters won't support Hillary, so give up on her and vote for Bernie instead, otherwise we'll make sure that the Dem base is split and the Republican wins."
I won't be blackmailed into not supporting Hillary by a bunch of people who are too immature, too pure, or too privileged to see or care about the difference between Trump and Hillary.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)By the way, I agree, nobody should be trying to convince you to vote for Bernie because enough Bernie supporters wont vote for her in the general. I think she's almost a shoe-in to win, even without my vote, and I don't feel like that tactic is worthy of Bernie supporters, who in general, should be more interested in the issues and the ethics than being on the winning team for the sake of winning. Of course there are even more posts daily about how, a little over 50% through the primaries, Bernie should drop out, as if getting as many delegates as Clinton did in the first half, would be impossible in the second. THATS JUST MATHEMATICAL REALITY!!!
For the record, I'm not giving ultimatums. If I don't vote for Hillary, it will be because I think this pretend democracy is ruining our nation and our environment, and I'm not going to simply push the blue button because the red one is obviously covered in shit. I'm pretty sure there's fecal matter on both, and at least the red one reminds us to sanitize.
so am I one of those "immature", "too pure", or "too privileged" voters?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)I feel like the game is rigged, and that both teams are playing for the same side. How will I determine this? By the policies and bills they support, and not just the ones they do publicly. I voted for Obama twice and I voted for Kerry, and in fact, to date, every down-ticket vote I've ever made has also been for a democrat. I've been very forgiving of their voting records and policy alignments, because I held out hope that they had good intentions but were hamstrung by a corporate media and huge money that could clobber them. That was true to some extent, but I've always had that sinking concern that we just keep getting good cop bad copped, and that our mainstream democrats don't necessarily dislike this machine as it runs.
In a year when Hillary could go left and clobber Trump(as I've already stated), it feels clearer to me than ever that this is actually the truth. In a year where the DNC and the politicians it shepherds have been outspoken in anywhere from support to shilling for Hillary, it's never been more clear to me just how corrupt with money even this side of the aisle is.(and no, I don't think every politician going for Hillary is doing it because they are corrupt, or because of quid pro quo, but some of the rhetoric from respectable public figures has been pretty disingenuous.
So there's my answer. How about you counter with a "I will vote for the Democrat, even if..." thread.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Is that what you're asking for? And, yeah, unlike you, I completely believe the Democrat is always better than the Republican, particularly regarding this election. Btw, this site is for Democrats.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)The difference between us is that I feel like this is a false choice that's part of a con, especially now with all the money in politics going to both parties. You apparently don't, and I wish I had your optimism.
As to your point about this site being for democrats, I am a registered democrat. if I abstained from a Presidential ticket vote for a democrat, and voted mostly democrat down-ticket(with rare abstentions), would I or would I not still be a democrat?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)vote Dem. If you doubt me, just look at the TOS. You're new so maybe you are not aware how seriously this subject is taken here.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)particularly on the primary board. Thanks for looking out for me.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)You're welcome!
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)you would define democrat. Oh, are you talking about wearing the jersey with the D on it? I guess in that case a democrat just goes where his team goes. "Come on, be a team player." "It's not wrong when a Democrat does it." WTF
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)But defining myself as a democrat almost says nothing about me except that I'm less a republican than some independent voters. What then, is your litmus test for being a democrat? All I could come up with was that it was proudly displaying the D, but maybe you actually have an idealogical metric. What does it mean to you, when you say somebody isn't a Democrat, if its not about rooting for the home team?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Many independents are voting for him. This a democratic website with many independents and Bernie supporters. I am voting for the Democrat in the race who happens to be Hillary Clinton. Democrats get to pick who they want the Democratic nominee to be. It seems as if Bernie supporters say all this negative stuff about Hillary in hopes of changing our minds into not voting for Hillary. But she is the Democrat in the race, and she should be winning and she is. Sure Bernie is a Democrat for now, but after it is said and done, he will return to being an independent (I). And that's not a Democrat.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Voting for a third party has consequences. Thanks for Bush/Cheney
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The truest dumbasses of our political discourse.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Every day Dan.
If Sarandon was pro-Hillary you'd be proudly waving her around as proof of Clintons progressive bona fides.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,976 posts)RandySF
(59,225 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)since Saturday it's like Secretary Clinton supporters stopped to think and never started again.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)One more time: If Trump gets elected it is NOT the fault of people HRC alienated by associating with war criminals and being owned body and soul by Wall Street.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)as well. But the Bernie or Busters don't.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But, maybe she'll look into buying one to give performances for her bankster pals.
But, nothing will happen to her if Trump is elected.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)he would bring about "the revolution."
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)She's not dumb, she understands that. Which is why she justified it by saying that she thought Trump would be better.
Anyone who believes that or acts to facilitate Trump is morally bankrupt.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)If she doesn't vote for Trump, how does Trump gain a vote?
Kinda like saying if someone buys a Toyota rather than a Ford, Chevy makes a sale.
0 - 0 = 0
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Trump will not gain a vote if I don't vote for him. Hillary won't lose a vote if don't vote for her.
0 - 0 = 0
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)0 - 0 = 0
I consider voting for either a "wasted" vote.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Voting R is twice as bad as not voting or voting 3rd party.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I'm glad you're not in charge of my checkbook.
If you used the same logic I'd be rich....on paper. But, broke in real life.
If I don't pay my electric bill doesn't mean that my doctor gets paid.
0 - 0 = 0
If I vote 3rd party in November, Jill Stein gains 1 vote. Hillary gets 0. Trump gets 0.
If you vote for Hillary in November, Hillary gains 1 vote. Jill and The Donald gets 0.
If both of us choose not to vote all of them get 0. Not - 2 or + 2.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The effect of an R vote is two more net R votes than a D vote. Voting third-party, which is a non-vote, is exactly half as harmful.
And the Bernie or Busters and Naderites know this, which is why they are trying to encourage Ds to vote third party, with the objective of throwing the election to the GOP. Some of the people who buy into the rhetoric are too mathematically illiterate to understand, but the people running the propaganda know what they are doing.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)0 + 1 = 0? Your mathematical literacy would give you a F in any math class.
I'm not trying to encourage anyone to anything. I'm simply stating how I plan to vote. I'm not encouraging you to vote for Bernie or Jill but you seem to think you can convince me to vote for Hillary.
Query: Do you think your vote for Hillary will decide the outcome of the election? Do you think mine will? If yes, please give an example of a past presidential election in which my vote, or your vote, was he decisive vote.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)But I'm not going to stop pointing out that that's exactly what you are doing.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I notice that you failed to answer the questions in my previous post. Your demands for purity fall on deaf ears among many here.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)the election to Trump because Hillary isn't "pure enough."
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)You're demanding that we be pure Democrats and vote for the (D) no matter how corrupt and unfit that (D) is.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It has nothing to do with purity.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Maybe you should try being a marine drill instructor....just avoid saying Left!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)or support Trump in any other way you want to. Enjoy.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)Do you realize how bizarre you sound?
2banon
(7,321 posts)working poor class,
low to moderate middle class blue collar trades,
professionals (teachers)
folks my age (65 and older) majority are Women.
Alternatively, the few people I know personally who are Clinton supporters are "exceedingly comfortable" and retired. (income range is over $250,000) .
I do understand the Bay Area ranks fairly high in diversity, and genuine progressive values, admittedly probably the most leftist second to Seattle as well as a little town called Arcadia, Ca.. and isn't representative of the entire nation.
(Although due to the Tech industry and gentrification, income demographics is beginning to shift fairly radically, unfortunately)
But to say Sarandon is the "perfect face" to Bernie supporters is beyond absurd.
RandySF
(59,225 posts)Who would take the country so far back the Taliban would be jealous.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Keep trying!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And we know why.
I can't wait till she wins the nomination and the Bernie or Bust crowd are not allowed to post that despicable view.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Kill em all, gawd! Make em stop, gawd! Fuck up Nineveh! They're sinners!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)R B Garr
(16,976 posts)as good as Bernie since she bought Ralph Nader's Kool-Aid about Bush and Gore being the same. All that's important to her is her own self-involvement in being in some "historical" movement for her own self glory.
And in her own self-involved way, she definitely confirmed that Trump and Sanders' have many crossover voters. Posts get hidden here for saying that, but this interview confirms that the "revolution" is the priority, no matter if that comes through Trump. Anyone who can even say that has zero credibility.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding, and she came to my wedding, the reality-star-turned-politician said at the first GOP presidential debate in Cleveland. She had no choice because I gave to a foundation.
I gave to many people before this, Trump said at the debate today. When they call, I give. And you know what, when I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me.
The Clinton campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri said Trumps comment hurts [Sec. Clintons] feelings.
He invited her. Theyre acquaintances. This is long, long established, she said. It hurt her feelings, Im sure, to hear him suggest that he didnt actually want her there for her company.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)out as being some personal values and morality candidate the way that Sanders does. What's funny is that he constantly maligns the 1%ers, but Sarandon is a 1%er with a $50 Million net worth, but that's just fine as long as she spouts the phony "revolution" mantras.
Hillary's more than earned her place through years of building lasting relationships. Sarandon just hops on the trendy "revolution" bandwagon so she can be hip and in her own words, she wants to be part of some historical revolution thingie where apparently Trump is as good as Bernie for the "revolution". LOL.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Hillary?
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)Hillary?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)So do I. So did George Washington and John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.
You?
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)You?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I held my nose and voted for Gore.
My nose isn't as invulnerable to injury as it once was and I try not to mistreat it for politicians.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)It was pure admiration. Look what an iconic figure he appears to be now and all the worldly regrets that he never was our President. His ahead-of-the-curve dialogues about climate change were enough in itself to put him head and shoulders above the rest. Bernie is now copying him on climate change. It's contemptible that someone like Sarandon would denigrate Al Gore just for flippant talking points.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I saw him as just another centrist politician who definitely picked the wrong running mate. I'm not a centrist and hoped if Gore had won he would stay healthy to prevent JoeMentum sitting in the oval office.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Us minorities and women and lgbta will suffer while she be chillin in her penthouse.
thebeautifulstruggle
(95 posts)Hillary Clinton can come to mind
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)GIRIDIH (India): Her face caked in dirt and hair matted with sweat, eight-year-old Lalita Kumari hacks away at pieces of rock containing an elusive mineral that adds a dash of sparkle to lipstick and nail polish.
While taking a breather in the hollow of a shimmery sand hill, Lalita says she has not known any other way of life after toiling in the mines of Jharkhand state since she was aged four.
"I want to go to school but there is never enough at home for us to eat. So I have to come here and work," said the pony-tailed youngster, her blistered hands hid behind her back after laying down her pickaxe.
Lalita is among hundreds of children who help their families make ends meet by spending their day collecting mica, their stomachs often hungry while the sun beats down on their heads.
Two decades ago the Jharkhand government shut down the mines over environmental concerns but tonnes of scrap left behind continue to lure impoverished villagers.
The mica adds glitter to powders, mascara and lipsticks of top global brands although a complex supply chain makes pinning down the exact origin almost.
impossible, say activists.
The families of the children who collect the mica often sell it to small traders who in turn sell it to big suppliers.
In 2009, German pharma giant Merck was accused of using mica mined by children and supplying it to brands such as L'Oreal and Revlon.
Merck has since implemented several measures to make sure that "all mica used for the manufacture of our pigments comes from child labour free sources," the company said in a statement to AFP.
Activists however say remote areas make monitoring impossible and there is no way to guarantee the mica is child-labour free.
"I think for companies the situation has become a kind of passing the buck," said Bhuvan Ribhu of Bachpan Bachao Andolan NGO whose founder Kailash Satyarthi won last year's Nobel peace prize for his work combatting child labour.
"It's a collective responsibility of anyone who is procuring any mica from this region to come forward and ensure that all the children are in school," Ribhu told AFP.
Major companies insist their suppliers follow good practices.
"Merck, our main supplier in India, only sources mica from legal gated mines and has submitted proof that its entire supply chain is secured," a spokeswoman for L'Oreal said in an email to AFP.
Repeated mails by AFP to Revlon, which is also supplied by Merck, went unanswered.
Although child labour below 18 is illegal with fines and jail terms for offenders, poor enforcement means rules remain on paper.
Children like Lalita often injure themselves with the pickaxes, while fine mica dust enter their eyes and chest, causing chronic health problems.
During the annual monsoon, they risk snake bites and being buried alive by collapsing slag piles.
"In a place where poverty is so entrenched it is difficult to convince parents to send kids to school," said Ram Bachan Paswan, a district labour superintendent.
"Moreover these mines do not exist on paper so that makes our task very challenging."
Father-of-four Shibu Yadav acknowledges that his children spend their days mining for mica to keep the family's heads above water.
"This is the main source of livelihood for us," he said, pointing at glittering silver and red mounds outside his ramshackle house.
"If it had not been for the mica, we would have starved to death," said Yadav who says his family makes about 1,000 rupees a month from mica gathering.
Cosmetic giants such as Estee Lauder and Chanel have recently joined a scheme to help fund the education of children going back to schools, working alongside Satyarthi's NGO.
Thirteen-year-old Seema Kumari says she can now fulfill her dream of becoming a teacher.
But she is one of the lucky ones and other youngsters see no end in sight to their labours.
HawkMode
(25 posts)1) NAFTA 1994
2) Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994
3) Telecommunications Act of 1996
4) Commodity Futures Modernization Act 2000
5) Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act(Glass-Steagall Act repeal) 2000
6) Welfare Reform 1996
A perfect legislative entree, served to the rich courtesy of the Clintons.
I wonder what Hillary is serving for the main course?
TPP?
Keystone?
Privatized SS? <-----Wall street really wants that.
Long history with the Clinton's, but some in the party refuse to see it.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hillary represents the establishment
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Freedom. Learn about it--it's all the latest rage.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)millions she earned shilling for a corporation that profits from horrendous labor exploitation and making workers sick from carcinogens.