After Losing Control of His Revolution, Bernie Sanders Must Drop Out Of The Race

[bravenak]

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/after-losing-control-of-his-own-goons-bernie-sanders-must-drop-out-of-the-race/24317/

[bjo59]

1. Hilarious.

[Baobab]

110. What can I say? They need to ask themselves why has this happened.

The country is speaking but they are not listening.

[Sheepshank]

156. well its am opinion piece...and I agree with the opinion, especially since I share the opinion n/t

[PaulaFarrell]

2. well this is going to a thread not worth reading

So I'll just trash it now

[bravenak]

3. THANK you.

[PaulaFarrell]

5. a pleasure

[Hortensis]

71. Too bad for those who don't. Their people are mentioned

a few times. I personally can't resist reading about myself.

[rock]

165. Now let's sneak into the corner

and snicker!

[beam me up scottie]

4. LOLOLOL!!! The daily trash bin! Another fake gnus outlet!

What is Daily News Bin? It is a "news" Web site created on February 16, 2015. No one knows who owns the domain, because it was registered secretly using the company Domains By Proxy. Rather obviously, Daily News Bin has something to hide. Daily News Bin claims to be run by Bill Palmer, its "Senior Editor". There is, apparently, a "Bill Palmer". He's written all of two articles for BeatWeek, a music magazine. He claims to be the magazine's editor-in-chief, but if you go to BeatWeek's Web site and try to verify that -- you discover that the "About" page is an attack-page full of viruses that attempts to take over your computer. In fact, that's true of almost every page on BeatWeek's Web site, except for their "Contact Us" page.

There are four "reporters" at Daily News Bin: Cara Harris, Tim Martyn, Christy Bishop Cricow, Reggie Smith, and Anita Finlay Harris, Martyn, and Smith seem not to exist. The only "Christy Bishop Cricow" I can find with a Google search is an interior designer and sticker manufacturer who lives in Eugene, Oregon. Anita Finlay Harris is a real person, who hold right-wing/libertarian views (she's a regular contributor to the right-wing The Jerry Doyle Show, the right-wing Americans Talk Radio Network, the right-wing Midpoint With Ed Berliner, the right-wing Talk Radio Network, and more). But if you search Daily News Bin for anything she's written, nothing comes up. Nor does a Google search of her name and Daily News Bin.

If you read the articles on Daily News Bin, it's clear the site is a poorly written pro-Hillary Clinton site. It does nothing but promote Hillary Clinton. It talks as if Hillary Clinton already won the Democratic nomination for president. Now, Daily News Bin pretends to have Tech, Music, and Entertainment sections. But if you go to them, you discover them either empty or full of pro-Hillary Clinton articles.

I'm all for political Web sites. But this is a joke. It's so poorly done, I'm shocked anyone believes it.

http://beingbutmen.blogspot.com/2015/11/today-tim-martyn-from-web-site-daily.html?m=1

This is as hilarious as SpamDan thinking he's a journalist.

[Turn CO Blue]

48. Exactly! Bill Palmer LMAO. PAID propaganda shill. nt

[beam me up scottie]

52. He wrote TWO WHOLE ARTICLES for Beat Week, he's not even qualified to be a shill.

At least I hope no one's paying for this spewage, it reads like a college student wrote it while stoned and pissed at his mom.

[corbettkroehler]

86. Strong Words! (but I luv 'em) n/t

[Newkularblue]

82. By Gary Gnu?

[beam me up scottie]

83. No gnus is good gnus!

[Loki]

139. Do you just sit at the computer all day and post at DU?

There is a lot of information out there, but somehow you only post what is convenient for your ideology. Perhaps this website is more to your liking. It seems to have all the news you prefer to post here.

https://www.americancrossroads.org

[beam me up scottie]

141. Omg you get your news from American Crossroads? Yikes! No wonder you like this blogger.

What's next from your side, more links to anti-Semitic websites like Stormfront and tomato bubble?

[Loki]

143. No dear, that one was for you,

since you seem to mimic their stories so well in your posts. I know what they are, and I think you do to. Perhaps you would enjoy reading about them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/politics/the-right-aims-at-democrats-on-social-media-to-hit-clinton.html

[beam me up scottie]

147. I'll have to take your word for it, darlin, since you're intimately familiar with them.

I guess some people hate Bernie so much they're willing to go just about anywhere for hit pieces on him.

Might want to invest in a flea collar before going back there, you know what they say about laying down with dogs. I wouldn't want you bringing any friends back here.

[Loki]

215. When all you can do is insult

Then you really don't have anything worth saying. People can debate their ideas but those without use insults to hide their lack of those skills. Simply put, talk about why you think your person is better. I have only heard rumor, innuendo, insult and rants about how much you dislike the other. Not much of a recommendation.

[Curmudgeoness]

238. It seems to me

that the insults started long before this thread. BMUS was right about the source in her first post, and you jumped on her and accuse her of being a Republican shill. She has been here a long time, and has been a very liberal poster for all that time. Just because someone is not in love with Hillary as a candidate does not mean that they are Republicans.

I suggest that you and your friends take your advise and start posting about the things that make your candidate the best choice instead of denigrating the other candidate. I come here to learn more about the candidates and the issues, and all I see is attacks against the candidates. There is a lot of "rumor, innuendo, insult and rants" to go around on both sides.

[LostOne4Ever]

242. Exactly!

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]But facts don't matter to some people. They have no argument so they resort to character assassination.

It is sad [/font]

[Loki]

269. Would you care to look at the time that I joined DU?

I saw their banner on TV during the inaugural parade. I was here with Will Pitt, Khephra, Crewleader, a long, long time ago. We were told to just "get over it" then, but we had a reason to be angry. What is happening now is we are turing on each other and that's exactly what they, the republicans want, along with the eternal Rat Fucker, Karl Rove. Read the article from the NYT. This is the Rovian game plan. I can post opinion pieces all day long from a variety of places, but they are opinions, and everyone has one. What I am reading about Hillary and Bernie on this board has very little to do with reality and I think that is where we need to start paying attention, or we will have another election stolen and Republican's put in charge of everything. You want a disaster, well we will have one.

[Curmudgeoness]

313. I am sure that you already have,

but look at the Hillary group here. 99.9% of the posts are anti-Bernie or slamming Bernie supporters. Take your discussion there, where they could use it. I am just as opposed to eating our own as you are. The difference is that I have not been slamming Hillary here.

[LostOne4Ever]

240. Well, seeing as BMUS has been running around you pointing out all your illogical arguments

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]She obviously has more than insults.

The wit is just a bonus [/font]

[LostOne4Ever]

244. If they did that...

[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; padding-bottom:5px; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom:none; border-radius:0.4615em 0.4615em 0em 0em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Goblinmonger[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Well, since somebody got her locked out of this thread with a bullshit hide let me offer this thought. When you have to dig up stuff from the bullshit Daily News Bin as a means to throw something at Sanders, you have hit ABSOLUTELY rock bottom. That would be like using the Twitter account of a horrible white supremacist racist as a source for an article you are writing as a journalist.

Why not use actual reputable sources and not this hackery that is posted in the OP. Daily News Bin for fuck sake.

For the inevitable jury since that's the way this thread seems to be going: come one. Citing Daily News Bin and then having the audacity to talk about not having anything worth saying. My response is pretty calm given that.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]If they did that, then they wouldn't have anything to post then! O.o

[bvf]

259. "Then (sic) you really don't have anything worth saying."

That's never stopped you before.

P.S.

You might want to edit your profile. For someone who claims she doesn't suffer fools gladly, you could sure use a primer in basic English.

[Loki]

263. Ever try posting on your phone with an IV in your arm?

Sorry I couldn't meet your standards, but you should try it sometime. (sic)

[bvf]

265. I never post *except* on my phone.

And I'm missing half a finger.

Want to see a pic? It's really tasty.

Spare me.

[SMC22307]

363. "Apology not accepted."

Not fooled like the fan club... whether "apologies" or letters.

[AlbertCat]

353. Also...

Lecturing us on how to behave like we're in Middle School is also a shield hiding an argument lost.... with an added pinch of high and mighty contempt.

[Loki]

355. I have contempt for lies and propaganda.

I'm not hiding from any argument that has substance and is based on facts.

[Rex]

369. "Do you just sit at the computer all day and post at DU?"

Seems you should check yourself first right?

[polly7]

149. Wow. Who made you the site monitor? nt.

[beam me up scottie]

150. We must respect their authority!!!

Funny how they had that link to American Crossroads at the ready.

[polly7]

153. It's disgusting to bring it here and accuse anyone here of using it.

That's low.

[beam me up scottie]

157. Thanks, polly. They're so desperate for dirt on Bernie they don't care where they get it

They must have learned how to do opposition research on liberals from Brock.

[Rex]

370. When all you do is insult...like typing "Do you just sit at the computer all day and post at DU?"

and then post that as if someone cannot remember what they read 5 seconds ago...what does that mean I wonder? I'm out...you have them on the ropes!

[riversedge]

372. Yuke. I should have known

better than to take a peek.

[beam me up scottie]

207. To the alerter who lied about my post to get it hidden:

On Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

LOLOLOL!!! The daily trash bin! Another fake gnus outlet!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1622045

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"SpamDan" is a personal attack against "DanTex" a current DU'er. This type of personal attack should be hidden and this long time poster and multiple member of MIRT should know better. This is disruptive and is a callout, please hide this post.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:39 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is stretching here. This post is not in response to DanTex, nor is DanTex in the thread.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There are TONS of political websites both for and against our choice
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: TOS violation. Even though the OP is laughably ridiculous
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: Make a better case next time.
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I would ask you to reflect upon your fail and ask yourself why you felt it was necessary to lie about me but I'm sure that would be pointless.

So I'll just wish you better luck next time.

[TheBlackAdder]

217. Another asshole performed an unwarranted flag of a post!

To the alerter who lied about my post to get it hidden:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1625980

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster seems to be having some sort of meltdown, can we please hide this personally abusive, meta nonsense?

Retaliating against alerts by posting things like this is really silly and it contributes to the toxicity of this site. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:51 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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[dana_b]

280. Yep! more non sensical b.s. n/t

[fun n serious]

6. It's getting creepy nt

[bravenak]

8. Getting?

You are a MASTER of understatement!

[fun n serious]

14. I suppose so..

Some do not understand I am sure but people everywhere are questioning him. In my opinion he is being very deceptive.

[bravenak]

20. My opinion too

And that Tad Devine is the main problem

[bvf]

151. What a charming sight.

Two back-scratchers with 18 hides between them.

Precious beyond words.

[highprincipleswork]

7. Caution-if u read dailynewsbin, u've already bin brainwashed.

[bravenak]

9. Umm hmm. Sure.

[pantsonfire]

10. You're right....

[bravenak]

11. Perfect illustration of the point of the piece.

[pantsonfire]

13. Exactly!

[snowy owl]

25. Need to send another donation to Canova! Thanks.

[pantsonfire]

27. I'm right there with you, Tulsi, Alex Law, so many....n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

12. dailynewsbin

lol

[Downwinder]

15. Happy April 1st.

[pantsonfire]

16. #ipitythefool.....n/t

[beam me up scottie]

24. I forgot about that, it's a joke! Of course! Billy's pranking us!.

[Iliyah]

28. Happy April 1st to you also!

As for this thread K & R. People are becoming more aware of his tactics and don't like it.

[fun n serious]

17. Unbelievable so many respond the way they are here..

Disturbing.

[pantsonfire]

19. Democracy ain't a pretty portrait....n/t

[bravenak]

21. I may as well just run away and leave it for them

[pantsonfire]

23. Plz do...there are islands out there for you to inhabit with no internet....n/t

[bravenak]

26. I meant this thread.

No. Not running off to leave you all happy. Fuck making people happy.

[pantsonfire]

29. #fuckmakingpeoplehappy.....good one....n/t

[DemocraticWing]

60. "Fuck making people happy" should be the Clinton campaign's slogan.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. To "dailynewsbin"?

lol.

[beam me up scottie]

55. I'm disturbed by your post.

Hell I'm disturbed by my post.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Im disturbed by *this* post

[beam me up scottie]

59. Oh no, lol! Only a BernieBro would post a post like that.

Seriously, that is just all kinds of awesome.

[Prism]

61. I have never questioned public infrastructure until now

Are . . . . are we supposed to blow it?

What is happening there?!

[surrealAmerican]

75. Me too.

That is one hell of a disturbing post. Where is that?

This might need its own thread because that is a very original post.

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. That is disturbing

[Warren Stupidity]

163. I'm f'ing dis custard.

[Warren DeMontague]

202. "i'm deep in despair!"

Holy shit.

You're the first person other than my wife who has ever referenced that joke.

And she brought it up again last night at dinner.

Odd.

[jfern]

18. Hell no!

[snowy owl]

22. Get back to me when you have evidence of "goons"

So far all I see is emotional opinion.

[bravenak]

30. Send a message to the writer to 'get back to' your important self.

[snowy owl]

37. You posted an unsupported claim. Not me.

I don't believe everything I read.

[bravenak]

38. And I don't write things I don't write.

[snooper2]

155. We are like the same! I don't type things I don't type.

[bvf]

160. And you *do* write things you *do.*

Some, quite unforgivable, too.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. no one takes dailynewsbin seriously, brave.

it is what it is.

[bravenak]

44. Like the Bern report

[Warren DeMontague]

45. I'm not even familiar with that one. Is that the youtube guy?

[bravenak]

49. I guess? I'm not sure but I get links sent to me from somebody who wont stop

[Warren DeMontague]

56. Well, thats certainly annoying, i dont care what it is or why.

I think there is probably some mathematical law that 99.99999% of the time no one changes anyone else's mind about anything, ever. Given the amount of time we all spend trying- and Im as guilty as anyone- we'd probably be better off doing sudoku or building tiny ships in bottles... finding other ways to waste our time.

Whats funny about youtube- and you have kids, so you're either there or you will be soon, i suspect- these british guys who play minecraft all day and occassionally make a pithy british comment or two- i think they're like mega-multi-millionaires. And you or i would have no idea who they are, but to our kids they're like mick jagger or michael jordan.

Who knew.. I want THAT gig!

[bravenak]

57. You are so fucking right

[Cha]

31. So that's why he said that.. Hillary should put that in an ad.. have his quote from then and what

disingenuous bullshit he's up to now

Bernie Sanders promised last summer that he was entering the race for President because he wanted to run a clean campaign of ideas. He promised no personal attacks, no negative ads, and he even suggested he wasn’t really running against anybody. As a courtesy, the Democratic Party allowed him to run in their primary even though he’s never been a registered democrat in his life

But now that it turns out most haven’t voted for him, and he’s losing by a mile, he’s turned shockingly negative. He spends more time bashing Hillary Clinton, usually in dishonest and misleading fashion, than he does going after Donald Trump

.
He's not going to but I'm glad he's being called out on this.

[bravenak]

32. I figure this would happen when I saw he lacked the capacity to organize people positively

Nothing hopeful there, just anger anger anger. I find it pitiful.

[noretreatnosurrender]

77. Like the Anger from Hillary yesterday?

They just showed the video on CBS this morning where Hillary blew up at the Greenpeace activist . Afterward they went to John Dickerson and he said - well they said she should show some authenticity - well we just got a face full of authenticity.

[Punkingal]

95. You certainly understand anger.

[pantsonfire]

34. hahahahahahaha.....

[snowy owl]

33. Above from Daily News Bin. This also from Daily News Bin...

March 31

What happened over at MSNBC this week? The network, which had spent the past three months acting as a nearly de facto media arm of the Bernie Sanders campaign and pretending he had a strong chance of winning even as he was mostly getting blown out, appears to have suddenly decided to take things in a different direction. First it was Rachel Maddow going off on his top strategist’s claims the other night. And now her colleague Chuck Todd seems to have had enough, criticizing Sanders as “getting cranky.”

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/chuck-todd-bernie-sanders-is-getting-cranky/24310/

And all this happened this week . . . I think Bernie supporters know better than that. It raises questions about your source, bravenak.

[bravenak]

35. I have no idea why this is a problem

My kids get cranky too, but I give them snacks to make them feel more positive. I just do not understand the point.

[Ron Green]

36. What a bunch of horseshit.

This is a joke article, right?

[Lucinda]

41. Whoa.

That didn't pull any punches did it?

[bravenak]

42. Heh.

[Iliyah]

46. Thanks bravenak!

Refreshing to read positive stories on HRC. Compared to RW articles being posting here 24/7 on her as being fact.

[bravenak]

51. I'd love to read some nice stuff about hillary in gdp one day

[Autumn]

159. Then you ought to find a nice article about Hillary to post in GDP one day...

Opps never mind.

[Autumn]

166. It would take me 5 seconds to find a nice article to post about my candidate.

ᗺut then I really like and support Bernie.

[Autumn]

170. I imagine if didn't support a candidate I could't find anything nice to post about them.

With Bernie, his supporters can find nice things to post about him anytime.

[beam me up scottie]

174. Indeed, it's almost as though they're just pretending to support Hillary.

Last edited Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:28 PM - Edit history (1)

And using it as an excuse to post smears about Bernie and his supporters.

But no one would do that.

[Autumn]

182. Oh my. Could that possibly be?

I remember when that wasn't allowed. But it seems to be acceptable now.

[beam me up scottie]

184. There's a word for that kind of behaviour, it rhymes with bowling.

Last edited Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:39 PM - Edit history (1)

And yes I thought people were banned for that, so it can't possibly be true.

[Autumn]

190. Tat rule seems to be subjective. It all depends on who one "supports"

or "claims to support".

[frylock]

111. Smearing Sanders supporters = positive stories on HRC

[noiretextatique]

261. The RW loves HRC

She supports most of their positions. It truly is 1984.

[hollysmom]

47. OMG, I just read Bill Palmer's facebook - hysterical -

he is so upset that people are thinking his daily "troll" blog site is a satire site,he is trying to ban them from the internet, ha ha ha
he features articles like
If Hillary Clinton felt she needed a Wisconsin win, she’d have spent the money to win

guess that means Clinton will lose and knows it.
Chuck Todd is the latest MSNBC host to turn against “cranky” Bernie Sanders <--- such amazing crap - wow.
FiveThirtyEight predicts Hillary Clinton will win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Maryland <<--- but but she didn't spend money because she didn't want to win Wisconsin?!?!?!?!
Hillary Clinton retakes the lead over Bernie Sanders in Wisconsin <--- obsessed a bit about Wisconsin - yes, I am posting them in reverse order as they appear.



amazing a website created this summer with o other purpose than to kiss Clinton's ass and trash Sanders in all kinds of way, I absolutely can see where someone thought it was a satire site, it certainly reads like one. but becareful Bill Palmer will have you thrown off the internet!!!!!

[bravenak]

50. LOL

[highprincipleswork]

53. I know, the Internet is a two-dimensional surface, like the oceans before Columbus.

[beam me up scottie]

54. Just checked out his twitter page, looks like he blocked everyone else on Twitter.

And he's still threatening to sue people.

[SMC22307]

336. "For the record, yes, we are a real news outlet."

The money quote from the dailynewsbin.

[Prism]

62. Well, they're not blatantly anti-semitic

So I guess they're pretty much moderates to you.

[BeanMusical]

72. +1

[demmiblue]

222. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:05 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Well, they're not blatantly anti-semitic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1622222

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Blatantly rude, OTT and personal attack from a poster that has a history of running a campaign against this DUer.

Please hide this abuse, it's not something that rational people can tolerate, if this is what they wish to do, they have many places where such behavior is acceptable, DU is not it.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:13 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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[Prism]

224. D'aw

I like "running a campaign" though. I'm barely here, lol, and I think I've only had an exchange with that poster maybe three times in the last year.

So many drama llamas afoot.

[QC]

354. I think it's interesting how so many DUers seem to think

that bigotry is not as bad as people calling out bigotry.

[eggman67]

64. Well she's gotta have time

To make that hard right turn for the general without getting whiplash.

[murielm99]

65. Thank you, brave.

That article says everything that needs to be said, and says it in exactly the right way.

The only thing left out was Bernie's troubles with the FEC. Has he addressed the violations yet?

[bravenak]

67. I think he is returning the money

[murielm99]

180. That might take care of the first

month's violations, but there are more to be addressed.

From what I have read, the poor record keeping makes it difficult for his campaign to know where to send some of these donations. The foreign donations could make his problems even worse.

Often, where there are overages, the money is donated to down ticket candidates. He has given nothing to down ticket candidates.

[Android3.14]

66. Someone is on the wrong side of the "revolution"

An it isn't Bernie's DU supporters.

"On February 27th, Hillary Clinton led Bernie Sanders among African-American voters by 52 points.

"By March 26th, she led Sanders among African-Americans by just nine points."

The OP needs to wake up.

[bravenak]

68. But that is only one state

That she only leads him with us by that much. And the sample size was not enough.

Let's see what happens in high population areas.

[Android3.14]

70. Nope. The trend of support from AAs is national as well.

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/filters/SC_RACE:2
The AA community is waking up to which candidate is truly supportive. Maybe you should have some coffee.

[noiretextatique]

262. Indeed. Clinton is no friend to the AA community

And many of us are aware of that.

[shenmue]

276. A lead of nine points is called a lead

Sanders is still losing.

[hobbit709]

69. The only person seen losing control was Hillary.

[cosmicone]

73. Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver disagree

Their salaries and ad-buy 15% shouldn't be terminated prematurely.

[riversedge]

76. HA HA

[ky_dem]

107. I really don't understand why you keep making this point

Have you ever worked on a political campaign? They aren't being paid outrageous sums - and the 15% ad buy (do you have a source on this?) is not that crazy. I've seen anywhere from 5-12% here in KY races. If you don't know when to buy ads, you are wasting a tremendous amount of money and it takes real expertise to follow trends in TV viewership

[frylock]

114. You are arguing with folks who would begrudge a six-figure annual salary..

while defending a $265,000 payout for an hour-long speech.

[ky_dem]

134. Good point

That's the other thing people don't realize - political consultants & experienced campaign workers have relatively narrow time periods to make money unless they diversify their practice

[cosmicone]

117. 15% of $100 million is not chump change

especially making the "expertise" comment coming from people who begrudge wall street salaries. Don't they need "expertise?"

[ky_dem]

138. of course they do

and I don't think any sane person would argue that they are entitled to larger salaries then say a bank teller at the same firm - but I think most people are justifiably outraged that the average bank teller makes $25,000 a year while Jamie Dimon made 27 million last year alone

also - could you please provide a source for that 15% number - I can't find it anywhere online and that would imply that Tad Devine received 15 million dollars which doesn't seem to be at all realistic

[Orsino]

74. Cut some slack for Clinton supporters who lived through this eight years ago.

The urge to crow, to win, can be strong, and there is still a hint of fear, because 2008 surprised everyone.

[Vinca]

78. Are you sure that's not from dailytrashbin?

[EdwardBernays]

79. Lol

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

Silly bravenak

[cosmicone]

80. kick n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

81. Self parody tends to strike me as funny at first but it finishes with a bitter undertone....

Propagandists who can't bear democracy are fascists. You are what you bleat.

[dchill]

84. dailynewsbin=sad

[HERVEPA]

85. You should be ashamed of posting this trash.

[DemonGoddess]

87. thank you bravenak!

[mak3cats]

88. What crap. Enough said.

[libtodeath]

89. *

[marions ghost]

90. 2016 is the year of the Yang Fire Monkey

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[rbrnmw]

93. What is the point of your response?

Never mind I think I know.

[marions ghost]

118. Ridiculous

I posted a laughing monkey to jeer at the OP's statement that Bernie should drop out of the race.

This has nothing to do with racism--with the impish image of a monkey in the Chinese year of the monkey.

But you go ahead with your slant.

[rbrnmw]

137. and you picked this poster who has been stalked

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berated, had mail sent to her, her family has been harassed, surely you know that African Americans have called monkeys and apes right? Bravenak is black posting a picture of a monkey to her is in some eyes calling her a money. I am pretty sure she doesn't know about this being the year of the monkey. I sure didn't and had you responded with the same response to one of my OP's it would have hurt my feelings.

[marions ghost]

142. I DID NOT KNOW

that the poster is African America, and even if I DID I would not have thought it a problem. It is a picture of a monkey. Just a monkey. It is a mischevious Chinese monkey year---JOKE JOKE.

I am sympathetic with Black Lives Matter and all that has happened. My father was a young journalist who dared to write a negative story about the KKK in the South--back in the 50's when that was NOT ok. I have marched with people for racial justice and equality. I am a current member of the NAACP. (Maybe sounds bogus but is true). My next door neighbors (who are my friends) are black--I could give you more.

But what's the point. I've been categorized just as bad as ANY racist would do it. I just don't SEE race--do you understand? I see people, not race.

I apologize to Bravenak --but I feel I have done nothing wrong, nothing with any bad intent. I will certainly avoid responding to Bravenak in the future if I'm going to be seen as some kind of racist stalker from now on. Trust me this hurts.

[polly7]

144. It's a strategy used since Sanders started running. Don't let them get to you.

Trust me, they don't believe for one second themselves that your post was racist.

[rbrnmw]

145. you don't get to tell me what I see as racism

African Americans have been called monkeys and apes. If the poster didn't they didn't know, but at the time of my response I did not have that information.

[polly7]

148. Yeah, we all know the slurs and ugly things people all over the world have been called.

This poster knew nothing of the OP's race, and posted her/his amusement as a laughing animal that happens to be a monkey.

Try harder.

[marions ghost]

161. Thank you polly7

I should have used my laughing horse pic. sure will next time

Racists are a big problem in this country. No thanks to that grotesque Trump demon, drawing them out of the cracks. I have always thought of myself as a fighter against it. The idea that "Bernie supporters are racist" is just so Wrong. OK emotions are running high now with the primaries. but I don't play games at DU to hurt people, even if I disagree with them.

I plead innocent.

This sucks.

[polly7]

164. It's obvious you're not what they're trying for.

It's also obvious Sanders is not, but whenever an opportunity comes up to twist a word or not see enough faces of a certain race in a photo or some other such stupid thing .... it gets ran with, and has from the beginning.

I found this photo you can use if you like:

[marions ghost]

175. This is really an eye opener to me

Yeah I see how they're workin it. I feel like I walked into a fire ant nest.

Thanks for the pic--I will have some uses for it

[1StrongBlackMan]

235. I think posting (without comment) a picture laughing monkey to an African-American ...

is as racist as when the rightwing did it to President Obama and his wife.

Besides, I call bullshit on the "I didn't know she was Black" claim ... Besides the fact that Bravenak is well known ... this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025690640

[Number23]

264. Must be -- in ALL seriousness -- the last person on DU to do the "I didn't know bravenak was black!!

route. I am sitting here laughing my ass off.

Bravenak makes folks show their true colors like no one else here. And I love that her posts are so terrible and horrible that the same folks have to post in EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM at least 65 times.

[1StrongBlackMan]

270. LOL ...

I'm going to rename her, "Bravenak, the Robe Exposer!"

[rbrnmw]

278. We have renamed her with her blessing

The Goddess of Divisiveness!! Everything is her fault coffee too hot bravenak coffee too strong bravenak

[mcar]

287. She is my Great Goddess!

[rbrnmw]

291. I stubbed my toe last night trying to get my baby nephew a bottle

bravenak

[Number23]

295. And a new and delicious meme emerges from the hilarious stupidity! Thanks, bravenak!!

In the same vein as the "thanks, Obama!" stuff.

[rbrnmw]

297. LOL

[Hortensis]

351. Ka-ching #2. (#1 pointing out the sordid history

of posting monkey pictures above). You do do your homework, 1Strong.

Now, as then, posting that picture is completely unacceptable behavior.

But, my goodness! I have to admit I didn't know Bravenak was black either! Bless her heart, I was wondering why she's always running on about black issues.

[pnwmom]

154. You know now. So why not self-delete? And you are deluding yourself,

as only a person with white privilege can, if you say you do not see race.

Do you think any black person can EVER be safe in the US unless she is always paying attention to race?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not-see-race-ignoring-racism-not-helping

People love to tell me that they often forget that I’m black. They say this with a sort of “a-ha!” look on their faces, as if their dawning ability to see my blackness was a gift to us both.

When I point out that their eyesight had never left them, that my skin has never changed colors, and that they probably did not really forget that I am black, they inevitably get defensive. First, they try to argue that it was a compliment; the smart ones quickly realize that complimenting someone on not being black is actually pretty racist, so they switch gears.

I don’t see race! is usually their next tactic, followed by I am colorblind, though they never give credit to Stephen Colbert. By “colorblind” they don’t actually mean that they can’t see green or red; rather, they are suggesting that they can’t ever be racist, because they don’t register skin color at all.

This ideology is very popular – like a racial utopic version of the Golden Rule – but it’s actually quite racist. “Colorblindness” doesn’t acknowledge the very real ways in which racism has existed and continues to exist, both in individuals and systemically. By professing not to see race, you’re just ignoring racism, not solving it.

SNIP

[marions ghost]

168. Hello pnwmom

I appreciate your posts but did not know you are black.

PLEASE do not take me so literally--or at least, give me the benefit of the doubt. But no...I see it's shoot first, ask questions later.

When I say I don't see race--I don't see it when on DU. I don't bother unless somebody makes a specific reference to it, to find out. I honestly don't read posts to figure out everybody's background whatever it may be. It's better to be impersonal, treat everybody the same here.

I don't believe that I am one of the people who "forget you are black." Guess what--I get that. So OK if you use me to get those thoughts out there, fine --but I am not one of "those people." For other reasons I am what some would consider "an other"--let's just leave it at that. I know discrimination, I know the pain. I identify with it. Of course I see differences--but I don't emphasize them in interacting with people--unless somebody wants to go there. I will go there and hold my head up you can be sure. I have no guilt, no shame whatsoever in this.

I appreciate people of different cultures, background, diversity. No I don't erase everybody and make them white. No I don't do that.

I am not what you want me to be -- so with all due respect please call off your pack of guard dogs.

[pnwmom]

172. Hello, marions ghost.

That piece I posted was written by someone else.

I'm not black but do have black family members and friends, and I'm aware of the awareness that they must have. They don't send their children out into the world telling them they should aim to be color blind. They wouldn't be safe that way.

And I still don't understand how, given the way you describe yourself, you didn't realize the picture you posted could be offensive. Or why you didn't delete it once someone pointed it out to you.

[marions ghost]

179. I do not think the picture is offensive

it is a monkey laughing at the idea that Sanders should give up (which IS the topic, I thought).

I did not know the OP's ethnicity. So I'm truly sorry if it offended, but I stand by my innocence.

If nothing personal was meant by it, there is NOTHING there. But. A monkey. Laughing.

It IS the Chinese year of the mischievous monkey (which I can understand people not knowing).
But you can look it up.

I do not in any way suggest that people of any race should be brought up to be colorblind. Since I can't see people on DU I do tend to be color blind on DU. But not in real life. Trust me I get the need for protection.

I think the charges of "Racism" "Kill the Post" are unfounded. I stand by my TOTAL innocence.
This is a pile on. Which does not endear me to Hillary supporters, but I can live with that divide. I cannot live with any charge of racism. When my life-- from the time I was a child growing up in the South has been all about racial, gender, sexual equality--you name it--equality. never otherwise.

Read my post 142. Thank you for your reply.

[forjusticethunders]

196. I responded to the thread without seeing the pic

Using derogatory "monkey" imagery to respond to a black person is a massive, MASSIVE dogwhistle. Period. End of discussion. And the more defensive you get, the more racist you look. You can shout your anti-racism from the rooftops but when black people tell you certain imagery is offensive, you roll with it. And btw, I'm voting for Bernie so do not fucking take it as some Hillary "race-baiting" shit.

[marions ghost]

208. I am not defensive

if I could see any of you posters in person I'm sure these hard feelings would disappear in an instant. Words in this format are clumsy and don't express. I am very aware of the meaning of images (it is my business). A monkey laughing is not a derogatory image. I'm sorry, but it IS NOT. That is just lame. And I think you know it.

Read my post 211. The monkey is me, laughing at the point of the OP, that Bernie should give up.

You will just have to take me at my word because that's all we have on a message board. I can't apologize any more than I'm doing. Go ahead and think the worst of me. But you will be wrong in your assumptions.

[beam me up scottie]

205. If you knew the op was AA then yes, it's racist as hell.

But since you say you didn't I'll take you at your word.

[marions ghost]

211. Thank you for that

Of course if I were comparing any person to a monkey--if you're black that is racist, or if you're not black, you would still think it not nice.

IN THIS CASE:

The monkey is ME, laughing at the OP saying Bernie should give up. Humans are very close genetically to bonobos (which is what that monkey is). I didn't want to post a pic of myself FFS. But people took it completely literally. Instead of seeing it as as me laughing.

To further symbolize it I said this year is the Chinese fire monkey --the year 2016--which should bring a lot of mischievous mayhem. And I think it is certainly doing that in the American elections-- ?!

anyway when I got back from work and saw this racist stuff, I was amazed, that's how far it would be for me to hurt somebody because of their race. I am still mind blown.

Yes, the monkey represented me. Thanks for not thinking the worst.

[1StrongBlackMan]

251. You really believe that a 20,000 post DUer ...

who has been to the African-American Group (and subsequently, blocked) didn't know Bravenak is Black? Really?

[rbrnmw]

279. thank you

now it makes my first thoughts about this correct. If they come for bravenak they are coming for all of us.

[bravenak]

283. Anything said or done to me is perfectly fine.

Some people race around defending and deflecting and obfuscating so long as it is an attack on me. I had them on ignore but I noticed something up with the monkey pic.

You know, black folks have to be PERFECT in order for them to be defended against racism. Otherwise? People are supposed to jump in and pile on THE BLACK PERSON if a white person posts monkey pics at them. They get the benefit of doubt that we just do not deserve.

[rbrnmw]

294. right and excuses as old and tired as they come

If I had a dollar for everytime I heard I'm not racist I have a black friend I'd be in that 1% they hate

[bravenak]

298. Me too. Rich as Oprah. Who they also hate

[rbrnmw]

299. now that woman can give out some free college

wonder why they hate Oprah? she's always giving shit away!!! I bet she can get my kids of the corner too.

[bravenak]

301. But she be giving money to the Africans

[rbrnmw]

302. Yeah and probably getting them off of corners

[bravenak]

305. Thank god! Don't want them causing racism...

[rbrnmw]

306. meanwhile my kids still on the corner causing racism

thank goodness my nephews are too young to do that yet

[bravenak]

307. Maybe he needs to hang in the middle of the block

[rbrnmw]

309. they tried that and got a Terry stop

[bravenak]

310. He needed free college to prevent that Terry Stop

Get him some welfare too.

[rbrnmw]

312. yes cause of course his daddy is not in the picture and we poor as hell

I don't who this fine man is sitting beside me in the home we own, or why they keep calling here with work for him.

[bravenak]

315. I deal with that same shit

This guys swears BOTH of my kids are his, and that he LIVES here. It!/ kinda weird but I just go with it. Lord Knows I need a man to keep me from getting cervical cancer.

[rbrnmw]

317. yeah me too I can't get that cervical cancer so he stays

[mcar]

289. Hmmm

[1StrongBlackMan]

249. So now you've been told ... several times. No excuse.

[1StrongBlackMan]

232. The "Who me? ... What? ... I need no idea" crap is as old and tired, here ...

as are the rightwingers', "Who me? ... What? ... I need no idea" protestations when they do racist shit.

[lovemydog]

254. Agree.

It's transparent and pathetic.

[1StrongBlackMan]

256. But, What? Who me? I had no idea!

[lovemydog]

260. lol, yup

[DisgustipatedinCA]

250. I never believed those claims, and I believe I'm on solid ground.

[1StrongBlackMan]

230. The guilty heart needs no accuser ...

Funny how you, immediately, denied, what no one accused you of.

You are, too, slick ... by "who me? What? half.

[rbrnmw]

296. or not

You are, too, slick

[George II]

97. More not so subtle racism from a Sanders supporter. De rigueur.

[marions ghost]

123. Read my post 121

and maybe you will understand.

[beam me up scottie]

167. That's really ironic considering HC supporters' history of posting anti-Semitic hate speech.

We've seen lots of anti-Semitic articles and links posted by other Hillary supporters here and elsewhere, including actual hate speech.

That glass house is awfully fragile.

[George II]

169. The OP has never posted any anti-Semitic hate speech - if you have one of your classic....

...patented "screen shots", and decide to post it, please make sure you do so in context.

And just because YOU create your own "dog whistles", please don't use any of them when giving us examples of things posted "here and elsewhere".

Thanks in advance.

[polly7]

171. You're just playing, right?? nt.

[beam me up scottie]

176. He must be, anyone who dismisses hate speech wouldn't be posting here.

I'm sure either he didn't know about it or is just kidding.

[polly7]

178. I don't understand him here at all ... I hope he's kidding. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

188. Well he did once claim that accusing Bernie of having a nest egg in Israel wasn't anti-Semitic.

It's possible he doesn't know that questioning a Jew's loyalty to America is anti-Semitic even though we explained it to him several times.

Probable, no, but you never know. Some people aren't it-getters.

[polly7]

189. Hey .... I remember that.

It was a terrible accusation against a good man. These slurs just make me sad - he's probably one of the few people in politics - ever - anywhere, that has done nothing to deserve any of this, someone who's spent his whole life trying to make things better for others.

[beam me up scottie]

192. They did the same thing to Obama in 2008, couldn't find dirt on him so they went racist.

And her supporters swore up and down that the things they posted weren't racist either.

If the only way you can promote your candidate is by using bigotry against an opponent you're in the wrong party.

[polly7]

195. Yes, I remember that too.

Imho, I saw hurt and almost disbelief on Obama's face during some of their debates; I have a feeling that even though he didn't bring up those tactics, he knew of them and felt it. And I felt so bad for him.

[beam me up scottie]

199. I did too, in fact I think he is still hurt by people.

Remember the press conference about the Iran deal last year when Major Garrett implied Obama didn't care about the four hostages?

He looked shocked and hurt by that, it was awful.

[polly7]

201. No, not really .......... but that's terrible.

Thank you, I'm going to go read up on that.

[beam me up scottie]

173. Funny the folks at FSTDT don't see it that way, and they would know since they collect it.

FSTDT

An archive of the most hilarious, bizarre, ignorant, bigoted, and terrifying quotes from fundies all over the internet! The FSTDT archive is the largest collection of fundie quotes on the planet

And since you requested a link I'll have to oblige, I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm making false claims about Hillary supporters:

Fundie of the Year Results!

Quote# 117360

I cannot stand him. His fans are racists who run around calling blacks racist and wonder why we hate him and them. I don't even LIKE Hillary but I will vote for her just so his fans can feel the sne BERN that they have been passing out.
Look at the racist comments here. I did not know jews hated us blacks so much. Good to know. I will return it in kind. There are so few of them It's a wonder they have the gall to think about being racist against blacks.

Bravenak, Frontpage Mag 8

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=117360

Are you suggesting the people who run FSTDT don't know anti-Semitism when they see it? Or that there is some context in which hate speech is acceptable?

Anyone who reads that knows exactly what it is, unless they share those views of course.

[rbrnmw]

181. She apologized she felt really bad about that.

but that still doesn't give a free pass to be racist toward her. I realize the poster didn't she know was black fine. I just don't understand why you think it would be ok if the poster had known. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[beam me up scottie]

183. If the poster didn't realize the op was AA then how could it be racist?

[JonLeibowitz]

193. Is her apology still online?

[rbrnmw]

229. I don't know and even if she self deleted it should have been good enough

but some folks continue to use whatever they can to hurt her. What has this women really ever done to hurt people on the internet? Do believe they should write her threatening letters and send them to her home? Should they find her relatives and harass them?

Isn't that taking it too far?

[marions ghost]

228. Thank you

for accepting my sincere apology.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

253. The motherfuck she didn't. What I read was racist to the core.

[George II]

329. Okay, so what did she post? Easy to say it happened, not so easy to say WHAT happened.

WHAT did she post that was anti-Semitic?

Waiting........

[nadinbrzezinski]

197. Irony is not dead.

Next time warn me that you intend to post comedy

[seabeyond]

98. Wow. And this didn't get a hide. Shame.

[marions ghost]

122. See my post 121

I dont have a racist bone in my body--you are reading something here that I have no idea about.

[polly7]

132. They're reaching for anything. Don't even acknowledge the bull*. nt.

[marions ghost]

136. Feelin the bull for sure

Thank you for your support.

I've been informed that the OP is African American--but I did not know that as I don't profile people by race around here. In any case, the monkey pic is laughing --at the idea that Sanders should give up. I guess I should have used my laughing horse picture. I like pix.

I feel covered in spit or something. Yes these people must be grasping at straws. Bizarre!

[Brother Buzz]

210. That's not a laughing monkey

You posted a picture of an ape, not a monkey

I know, picky, picky, picky

[marions ghost]

213. Is a bonobo

OK picky picky that's OK I work with scientists. You must be one.

The bonobo is me --laughing derisively at the content of the OP--that Bernie should get out.

We R all very close to bonobos genetically.

[seabeyond]

246. No one is buying it. No one is going to fight about it. And, No one is buying it.

[polly7]

330. What? nt.

[Spazito]

101. What prompted you to post this in this thread which has...

NOTHING to do with the topic in the OP?

[marions ghost]

121. OK calm down

I AM LAUGHING AT THE OP's Assertion that Bernie should drop out of the race. OK?

I posted a monkey because I like monkeys and the fact that it's the year of the Chinese fire monkey makes it more fun.

If you can tell me why you might see this as racist I will try to respond. Honestly I have NO idea what you are talking about.

People around here know I am not in any way some kind of racist. Nor do I ever post flamebait. This is so weird. Fill me in, cause I can't figure it out.

LAUGHING AT THE OP....that is it.

[Spazito]

125. Uh huh n/t

[one_voice]

102. ..

?noredirect

[marions ghost]

124. Please read my post 121

NO racism intended. You are seeing it wrong.

I am a laughing monkey laughing at the OP's assertion that Bernie should drop out--that is all!

[Bobbie Jo]

104. Seriously?

WTF?

[marions ghost]

126. Please read my post 121

and stop piling on.

In no way was this intended in any racist sense--I am laughing at the OP saying Bernie should drop out. That is all. If it is racist who is it directed against? I thought we are talking about Bernie's campaign here?

[Bobbie Jo]

209. Oh please.

Pitiful.

"stop piling on."

And with that tidbit, you just obliterated my irony meter.

wow.

[mcar]

108. Please delete this post

Way over the top, even for GDP.

[marions ghost]

120. Sorry

Last edited Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:50 PM - Edit history (1)

I am jeering at the OP who says Bernie should drop out of the race. A laughing monkey in the year of the Chinese fire monkey merely says I laugh at you, like others in this thread..

There is no racism whatsoever behind it. See all my posts above.

[Marr]

127. Oh, they don't care.

Just like the election issues-- Hillary's increasingly desperate fans don't actually give a shit. They see an opportunity to smear someone, and they jump on it.

[marions ghost]

129. I am totally horrified by this

I will respond more about it when I get a chance.

I just got in from work and am amazed and distressed by this pile on. For what reason I don't even know.

Thank you Marr. Yes I feel unjustly smeared. FWIW I am a Member of the NAACP actually. I don't think too many racists do that?

[SMC22307]

328. They're going to go after you with a vengeance.

I can only imagine how bombarded Skinner, et al. are with e-mails. You're on their list, so look out.

But as Marr mentioned, they don't really care.

There were no letters... no family members were harassed... it's all a game. And the site owners tolerate it.

[mcar]

128. I see racism, so I'm the racist?

OK.

[marions ghost]

130. Please explain where and how you see racism

and I will try my best to respond. I feel extremely attacked by this. I am not and have never done anything but work against racism my entire life. To be accused of it is really bizarre.

I didn't really read the other thread responses--is there something negative there you are associating me with, maybe? Truly--I do NOT get it.

[marions ghost]

206. Thank you

for explaining your thoughts & for support. I appreciate. It may have been unfortunate to post the monkey pic when the OP is AA but it was just a mistake. I am sorry for any upset it caused, but I would like people to get over it and forgive it, like you have kindly done.

In Chinese mythology, the yang fire monkey will have fun with ALL of us this year. It was a Joke. I thought whoever cared would google it like you and others would ignore it. Never imagined any blow back whatsoever--if I had suspected, would not have done it. Not interested in making mortal enemies around here, for any reason.

The Bernie/Hillary wars have really divided us, seems to me. I see that the word and picture watchdogs are out, sniffing out trolls to put labels on. I understand super sensitivity to a point--I tend to be that way myself--but this time they got it wrong. So I've been here 12 years. I follow many regular posters here --who are much more up with politics than I am--and don't want to leave. Doesn't solve anything. I don't put people on ignore--I just try to avoid some. Some I will be avoiding.

[synergie]

212. Yeah, sorry, but even after it's been explained to you, you still dig yourself in deeper

here. FYI the people who you think are 'supporting' you are ones who have been engaging in some deliberate attacks on the person you were "jeering at", with full knowledge of her background.

You might want to reassess what's going on here, AFTER it's been explained to you. Just delete the darned post now that you know exactly how nasty it appears to be, and take a look at how your "supporters" are piling on and how they are conducting themselves, that should tell you a little something.

The racism here is pretty evident and calling those who see things clearly for what they are racists, well .... that does seem to be how racists deal with accidentally exposing themselves.

[marions ghost]

214. No

I will not be intimidated by you or anybody else for an honest mistake. The monkey represents me laughing, and I stand by that.

[synergie]

216. Sorry, but it's no longer an "honest" mistake, it's deliberate inflammation.

[marions ghost]

219. Responding no more in this thread

so good bye. Flame out.

[Number23]

268. "the people who you think are 'supporting' you are ones who have been engaging in some deliberate

attacks on the person you were "jeering" at with full knowledge of her background."

Aw c'mon now. We're all playing the "we didn't know bravenak was black" game! Don't go and ruin it!!

[Loki]

140. Yang Fire Monkey?

Did you post this particular picture on purpose? If so, delete it. It's ugly and would be something I would expect from a certain group of people to demean by innuendo. It's not worthy of this site, or you.

[polly7]

146. So ridiculous.

[beam me up scottie]

185. Nice ass!

We're going to Mule Day tomorrow, love those critters.

[polly7]

186. I do too! But one of my sister's bit me - they have really good, strong teeth! nt.

[Loki]

239. No it isn't.

I had people post on Facebook the same type of picture depicting Michelle Obama and comparing her to a "monkey". It's not something I think it is not out of the realm of possibility especially when people are responding to this particular poster. It's become toxic in here and it need to stop. We should respect our differences not follow the Republican game plan. Divisive is the name of the game. We are Democrats goddammit. Let's start acting like we are.

[polly7]

333. That is 100% different than what was posted here and you know it.

The sick, disgusting posts on Facebook were made by people who fully knew Michelle Obama's race and were spewing their racist bile intentionally.

A sincere apology was made here for not knowing the OP's race, and an explanation as to what the reply characterized - a laughing animal - which happened to be a monkey.

[nadinbrzezinski]

200. Marion I love you man

But please self delete this. No use in getting into the gutter with these folks. And yes, the image is offensive to African Americans and among others was extensively used, still is, by the KKK. It is not humorous, and I understand it.

[marions ghost]

218. I will not delete

because it is just a jeering monkey--referring to the OP's post, not the OP. The monkey is me, laughing.

I think some people here are piling on unfairly. Others here have clearly NOT done that, or are willing to see my POV. I see no reason to admit some kind of wrongdoing. I don't know Bravenak nor did I see him/her as black, only roughly as a Hillary supporter. I have no dog in any fight concerning Bravenak or any others. It all makes me sad and sorry it happened, but I guess I will survive. Bravenak will just have to forgive me and move on. Or never forgive me and put me on ignore. Or call in the DU police or whatever.

To those who might regret piling on--I understand jumping to conclusions too fast--it is a very emotionally charged time for many of us. I don't want enemies.

Yours is the last post I will respond to. And people who want to call me a racist troll can go right ahead, if it helps them somehow.

Repeat I am not responding any longer. No more escalation, don't worry. I meant nothing malicious and I have apologized and hereby am leaving this particular gutter. I will not even read it anymore. Anybody wanting to say anything else to me can PM me.

Thank you for your post nadin which I know is well intended.

[nadinbrzezinski]

231. I am telling you as a friend

And for the record, some folks insist on using the celtic cross, which these days has antisemitic overtones. So take that as it may.

but I am sure there are plenty of other images of things and critters laughing out there.

And with that, I am trashing the thread.

[rbrnmw]

341. you know the difference between the crosses?

I am Catholic I have Celtic crosses I damn sure am not a neonazi.
btw that avatar is a stock avatar on DU are Skinner, EarlG, and Elad neo-nazis since they offer that avatar that isn't used by the neo-nazis?
Also known as: Odin’s Cross, Sun Cross, Wheel Cross



The white supremacist version of the Celtic Cross, which consists of a square cross interlocking with or surrounded by a circle, is one of the most important and commonly used white supremacist symbols. Although usually called a Celtic Cross by white supremacists, its origins date to the pre-Christian "sun cross" or "wheel cross" in ancient Europe. Norwegian Nazis used a version of the symbol in the 1930s and 1940s. After World War II, a variety of white supremacist groups and movements adopted the symbol. Today, this verson of the Celtic Cross is used by neo-Nazis, racist skinheads, Ku Klux Klan members and virtually every other type of white supremacist. It has also achieved notoriety as part of the logo of Stormfront, the oldest and largest white supremacist website in the world.

The Celtic Cross, as typically depicted, is a traditional Christian symbol used for religious purposes as well as to symbolize concepts like Irish pride. As such, it is a very common symbol and primarily used by non-extremists. Most renditions of the traditional Celtic Cross feature an elongated vertical axis (often accompanied by Celtic knotwork) that resembles that of other Christian crosses. Although white supremacists will occasionally use this version of the Celtic Cross, the overwhelming use of this version of the Celtic Cross is non-extremist and, in the absence of other hate symbols, does not denote white supremacy or racism.

It is the short "sun cross" version of the Celtic Cross, surrounded by a circle, that is more commonly used by white supremacists, although even here care must be taken always to judge it in context.

[nadinbrzezinski]

343. I am sure you are not

but given the recent tensions on this board... alas... some people are not going to get it. Ce la vie

[rbrnmw]

344. I updated my post please read it.

btw I am not trying to be nasty just understand there is a huge difference in those crosses.

[nadinbrzezinski]

345. I do

as I said, there are tensions... but ce la vie

[demmiblue]

220. Unrec. Please delete. n/t

[marions ghost]

223. Please read my replies in other posts

no longer responding

I have edited the picture in the post.

[demmiblue]

226. No, I won't. There is no acceptable excuse for that photo. n/t

[marions ghost]

227. Yes there is and I have explained

above. If you care to read them which I assume you have not.

I have edited the post with picture.

[NastyRiffraff]

234. Well, that's all right then

So, you didn't know it was racist when you posted. You didn't know bravenak was black. Okay, so let's take you at your word on that (although, frankly, it's hard to do). But, you were repeatedly asked, even by people who support Bernie, to self-delete your post. This is after you were told, again repeatedly, that to a black person, that post is racist; you were even told the reason it's racist. Yet you still refuse to self-delete.

So, then, why should anyone believe you are the wonderful, non-racist person you say you are?

[Marr]

346. So do as some random internet bully says, or you're a racist.

Do you even see how distasteful this piling on is? You know very well the poster did not mean what you're accusing them of, but you think so little of the cause of racism that you casually toss it around like a rotten tomato in some stupid little online food fight.

It's gross.

[NastyRiffraff]

352. Are you aware that bravenak is AA?

Or do you care? Do you see how distasteful posting a "monkey" (actually a bonono) is in this context? Do you even understand the concept of "context"? Doubtful. Bravenak is offended by that vile post and I believe she knows exactly what racism is.

[cosmicone]

255. You should self-delete that post. It is blatantly racist and offensive. n/t

[Cha]

273. this post says everything about you and nothing about your target.

[lunamagica]

274. Wow, just wow...the things that are allowed to stand here...just shameful

[MerryBlooms]

277. I've read through all the replies and your excuses...

Honestly, there is no excuse for leaving this post up.
In fairness to you, I am alerting on your post, since you've doubled-down repeatedly and refuse to delete. If I were an admin, at this point, I'd ban you.
Your behavior here has been disgusting.

[rbrnmw]

285. I see you have doubled down and refused to self delete

that's sad it really is

[Number23]

304. But she's got the usual 3-4 folks high fiving him/her and telling her what s/he said was fine

Because, you know when black folks say that something is racist/offensive, it never actually is. Only when white folks say that something is offensive is it ever.

But what's interesting about this is that the usual crowd of people that squat in this forum from sun up to sun down, day in and day out, and shit on every single thread here, ESPECIALLY if it's from bravenak, are actually far outnumbered by people saying that the post is unnecessary at best, offensive at most. And several have identified themselves as Sanders supporters.

So not only does this little exercise shine YET ANOTHER light on the nature and caliber of bravenak's stalkers, it's a moment for folks on all sides to call something unneeded and ugly out for what it is.

[rbrnmw]

308. thank you yes it is a bright light shining

If they come for her they are coming for all of us in my opinion

[Number23]

311. Oh, they are. And they always have been.

So many of the same folks gunning for bravenak have had er.... issues with black activists, pundits, entertainers, presidents and damn near every other black poster on this web site. But I'm sure that's just a spectacular coincidence.

[rbrnmw]

314. sure is a big coincidence

what are the chances of that?

[Number23]

356. And the bullying stalkers have shown up as well. Quelle surprise! It's just a grand old hootnanny

up in here now! I bet you can smell the moonshine and hear the pistols being shot every 4 seconds for a hundred miles!!

Like I said, no one here for one second thinks that it's a coincidence that all of these folks have problems with the same people. And even when asked 1000 times to leave the objects of their desire, I mean hatred alone, they just can't. And they honestly believe that it's the targets and not them that are and have the problems. Would be hilarious if it wasn't indicative of something pretty serious.

[SMC22307]

361. You replied to yourself.

Sock problem?

[Number23]

362. No, but you can't reply to hidden posts. Thanks so much for your seemingly unending concern

Can't stay away from a bravenak thread, even one that's a couple of days old!! How utterly fascinating and completely unsurprising. Good LORD, you've got it bad, honey.

[SMC22307]

365. If my appearance in a thread fascinates you, you've got issues.

And I mean that sincerely... uh... pumpkin?

I *love* our resident Social Justice Warrior's threads... the entertainment value is off the fucking charts. Seriously, OFF.

[Number23]

366. No me responding to MYSELF causes you to leap into action to voice concern about my posting

habits which you seem so TERRIBLY concerned about. Though I can only imagine why as I couldn't give the first shit about your posts and am beyond tired of your BS chasing after me. I don't know what your problem is with me or life in general but I TRULY cannot express upon you how I little I care about either.

Yeah one of us has issues! And it's probably the one who is so REPEATEDLY concerned about what the other posts to other people because they never, ever, EVER respond to them. Which is exactly why they have to chase after them so terribly often with al of this "concern" in the first place.

[SMC22307]

368. Aw, geez, now you're playing the "chasing after me game."

How original.

[Rose Siding]

327. That is the most hateful personal attack I've ever seen posted here

How dare you feign innocence. Have you no shame?

[Gothmog]

91. I love the article posted in the OP

[George II]

92. Interesting story. It's a shame that people don't click on "About" before dissing Dailynewsbin, huh?

[Nedsdag]

94. I get it! I get it! You hate Bernie!

I have one question for you:

What will Hillary do for you personally?

[Autumn]

96. Don't you just wish?

[Puglover]

236. No kidding.

And how many replies to this argle bargle.

[karynnj]

99. Great April Fool's joke -- from the campaign that has its own pretend media

The Brock led media outlets that have done nothing but raise negative issues - mostly based on almost nothing.

Not to mention, the young girl, who did not look like a goon to me, who asked Clinton what could best be called a rhetoric question was from Greenpeace, an organization that has worked on these issues - sometimes in a confrontational way - for decades.

The issue of protesting a political figure is pretty tricky. However, the Bernie people who interrupted Clinton were far less obstructionist than the BLM women in Seattle - partly because it was a HRC rally and she has more control than Bernie had speaking at a rally that was not a Sanders rally.

By chance, the Seattle rally happened right before a family gathering of mine. My Seattle area based daughter and a nephew, born and raised in Seattle, who had lots of friends who had attended the rally were furious that they had deprived the huge group of people there from getting a chance to hear Bernie who they had come to see. (Neither my daughter or nephew themselves were there.) They also were angry that that the women did not even give Sanders an opportunity to answer their attacks or explain his own positions or his own history.

Another daughter, who is politically active and who marched in NYC when Eric Gardner was killed, explained that BLM was intentionally confrontational, because that was needed to be heard -- and that Sanders, in effect, was just collateral damage. As someone who had protested in the 1960s, though mostly just at the college I attended, and who had taken my three then pre teen and teen daughters to protest the imminent Iraq war in early 2003, I could then see both sides - where before I would have agreed 100% with my daughter from WA. The idea that, if you support something or want to fight something the establishment wants, protests where you do disrupt are probably needed to get attention.

What the young Greenpeace activist did was actually no different than what the BLM people did. In fact, where the BLM people successfully took over the event and actually denied Sanders a chance to speak, the ONLY reason that the Greenpeace activist got coverage is because HRC got so angry and responded as she did to a person with the fraction of her power. (Imagine that Bernie, backed by the Seattle police, would have responded as HRC did to the young women of color. Who would you be calling a goon?)

In fact, DU's search power enables me to see that you were completely untroubled that BLM totally obstructed Sanders -- vs the Sanders people at one event of the Greenpeace girl in the other who did not remotely have the power to take the mic from HRC.

Here is what you said then:

"No they won't. You wish they would cause you want to.

But we are going to promote the cause LOUDLY. How they hell can a person be president if this breaks them down? Obama got heckled by a fucking congressman during the SOTU. This is not the apocalypse. You guys overreact and threaten to remove supoort from black lives and we think it's racist so more heckling to come. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=502629

How hypocritical that you NOW post a Clinton sourced article that calls Sanders supports goons.

[whatchamacallit]

100. And another chamber pot is emptied onto the cobbstone...

[bvf]

112. And someone upthread suggested

she drink more coffee, too.

She's since pissed away what little credibility she might have had long ago.

Expect much more of this dreck.

[sendero]

103. dailynewsbin?

dailytrashbin or dailystupidbin would be a more description name.

[Jester Messiah]

105. HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Ahh, that is *priceless*. Thanks for the chuckle!

[workinclasszero]

106. Broken promises

"Bernie Sanders promised last summer that he was entering the race for President because he wanted to run a clean campaign of ideas. He promised no personal attacks, no negative ads, and he even suggested he wasn’t really running against anybody."

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/after-losing-control-of-his-own-goons-bernie-sanders-must-drop-out-of-the-race/24317/

[frylock]

109. I expect to see more trash like this the closer we get to Hillary's date with Director Comey.

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. I like seeing me propaganda in the morning

It spices the coffee

[Lazy Daisy]

116. Oh wow

I really need to check myself then vote for Hillary.
This article, this is the one that finally convinced me.

[lumberjack_jeff]

119. What an intriguing insight into Clinton supporters thought processes.

"Get in line" indeed.

Craving for an authoritarian leader isn't monopolized by Republicans, it would seem.

[Goblinmonger]

131. Daily News

[polly7]

204. LOL

I love that face!!

[Ken Burch]

133. if Bernie drops out, HRC will instantly revert to the '96 platform.

And it couldn't be worth electing her on that.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

203. What? Are you now saying you are a Bernie or Bust person?

[Ken Burch]

243. No, I meant if he drops out right now, like the HRC people are demanding he do.

I'm not Bernie or Bust...I just don't want the fall campaign to reduced to "it's enough to beat the ReThugs".

Yes, we need to beat the Rethugs...but there's no good reason to ever run another lesser-evil campaign.

The longer Bernie stays in(assuming he doesn't get nominated)the greater the chance of HRC NOT giving up totally everything progressive she supposedly supports.

[jazzwinders]

152. Thank you for posting this!!!!

[dinkytron]

158. Keep posting those "opinion" pieces. You are as calculating and deceptive as your candidate.

[HassleCat]

177. I guess I know who I am.

One of these: "... little more than lunatics screaming lies about Hillary Clinton." Thanks.

[reformist2]

194. K&R for hilarity! Thanks for the laughs!

[panader0]

198. In spite of your famous deleted "apology", I will never take anything you say for real.

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[bvf]

225. Yep. It was just the predictable "look at me" bullshit.

She deleted the "apology" only after the thread went wrong, her "friends" (I happen to know better) all ended up looking like obsequious idiots, and--to top it all off--she managed to lock herself out of her very own thread by earning yet another well-deserved hide.

Clowns all around, and Skinner's absolved them all.

Crimony.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

342. FYI...

Yep. It was just the predictable "look at me" bullshit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1626623

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post is abusive, is one in a series of personal attacks, targeting DUers, and features yet another personally abusive Sigline.

I'm not sure what it would take to teach these people to leave aside their personal off-site grudges and to lay off harassing a particular poster on DU, but can we start with a hide and go from there? This vindictive abuse is making this site toxic, to such a poisonous degree that even the end of primary season will not cleanse the site of the divisive hate.

Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:14 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I wish people would move on and stop harassing Bravenak every chance they get.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: bravenak is poison to this board.


leave
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The person this poster is referencing often writes provocative and offensive stuff. I think bvf's post speaks for many of us here who are fed up with this person and many others that behave similarly yet seem to get a free pass to terrorize around here. This is Ned Devine leaving this response.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[bvf]

349. Much obliged, GP, and my thanks to the jury as well. n/t

[Logical]

221. Most posters at least post a paragraph or two! Why can't you? Worthless. nt

[George II]

233. Since you say "most posters" I assume you've been around GD-P for a while. So....

....you should be aware of the fact that if a Clinton supporter posts a paragraph or two they're immediately swarmed upon and assailed as though that paragraph or two were the words of the poster, not a quote from the article, and in many cases the post is alerted and hidden.

Try clicking on the link and reading the article before you characterize a post as "worthless". You may change your assessment of it.

[Logical]

247. LOL, my god, the whining is strong in those hillary fans. And your analysis is BS. nt

[George II]

332. I'll take that as admitting you never read the link. Thank you.

[SMC22307]

334. It a lazy way of posting. We're not trained monkeys here to blindly click blue links.

Use the tools provided by the site owners (e.g., Excerpt) it you're worried about something being "the words of the poster." Problem solved.

[George II]

335. Here we go with the "monkey" references again. You guys love those subtle slurs, don't you.

I never had a problem, others did.

[SMC22307]

337. Not trained seals, not trained monkeys... take your pick.

"For the record, yes, we are a real news outlet." ~ The Daily News Bin

[George II]

339. "Excerpt" tool? What are you referring to?

[SMC22307]

340. Seriously?

THIS.

[hellofromreddit]

237. That's like saying Obama should resign because Trump is american.

[basselope]

245. Clinton tears taste like candy!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

248. I do not believe you.

[sakabatou]

257. I found a song for this thread

[noiretextatique]

258. What a load of bs

Typical.

[betsuni]

267. Excellent.

The flypaper is full.

[craigmatic]

271. Nope Obama and Hillary kept going until summer in 2008. Sanders can too. It's good for the party

and Clinton too although she'll never admit it.

[sheshe2]

272. Hey bravenak.

Great Op.

[bravenak]

275. Hey!!!

[sheshe2]

282. To you~

[bravenak]

284. Thank you

And at least you didn't monkey pic me.

And look at people defending that just because they hate me so much.

[betsuni]

286. I still can't believe

that. Photo of an ape and a jackass, but no, no, no, Happy Chinese New Year!

[bravenak]

290. Apparently I deserve it

[rbrnmw]

321. Nobody deserves the shit they put you through

fuck that mess, I can't believe the stereotypical excuses, I have heard them so many times I could teach a course on it.

[bravenak]

322. The enjoyment they get from it is the sickest part

[rbrnmw]

318. yeah I got a bridge to sell ya.

they know now and it's still there

[rbrnmw]

281. Great OP bravenak

[bravenak]

292. Thank you!

[99Forever]

288. Smells like bait from under a bridge in here.

Time to flush.

[AgingAmerican]

293. Bernie has zero hides

He isnt the one who should be dropping out of anything.

[rbrnmw]

320. Bernie doesn't post here and isn't alert stalked

[AgingAmerican]

325. Transparency tells the true Tale

[rbrnmw]

326. mmm hmmm

[William769]

300. Kick & so highly recommended!

[postatomic]

303. If this had been the only time I've read these things

I might dismiss it.

But, the narrative is wide spread and consistent.

Thanks for posting this!!

[joeybee12]

316. Definitely...

All he's doing is hurting the Democrats now and making it clear he has no use for the Democratic Party.

[bravenak]

319. He really does hurt the party more every day

I really want him to go home.

[bvf]

323. You probably want worse than that.

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That is, if your recent anti-Semitic diatribe elsewhere is any indication. Go ahead and ignore it.

Lots of us can't.

ETA:

I've just been told I survived an alert. How about that.

[Marr]

348. +1

[Red Oak]

324. He DID go home. Just had a rally there for over 18,000 supporters

[Demsrule86]

360. How nice

However, the fact remains...he is losing badly with delegates.

[Red Oak]

371. And will be. Until he isn't.

[polly7]

338. Your thread just needs a bit of truth and a beautiful voice:

[Demsrule86]

359. me too

I am so sick of him...having looked at the numbers...he can not win...he would need over 60 % of remaining delegates and the supers won't turn to him why should they?

[bravenak]

364. I think he is just bullshitting at this point

[killbotfactory]

331. Berie is doing way better than expected! Unleash all the hyperbole!!!!

The populism... It berns!!

[SecularMotion]

357. K & R

[Demsrule86]

358. So True

I absolutely dislike Bernie...he has turn very negative and is risking the presidency...He won't win and it seems he will stay in only to help the Republicans.

[pantsonfire]

367. After Clinton's delegates failed to show up at the Clark County Convention today....

....it appears as though Bernie Sanders now ostensibly won Nevada.

WON NEVADA!!!