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Yavin4

(35,450 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:02 PM Apr 2016

If Paul Ryan is the Republican nominee, who would you be more comfortable with, Bernie or Hillary?

If Ryan emerges from the Republican muck as the nominee, he will be damn hard to beat. I see the Republicans rallying hard behind him, and he just has to soft pedal his positions to get over.

I wouldn't be confident that either Hillary or Bernie could beat him, but I do think that Hillary would be stronger. Bernie's political past, his positions, and his age would be easy fodder for the Republicans to tear him apart. Yes, Hillary has her problems as well, but she would be better at fending off the attacks and taking him on.

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If Paul Ryan is the Republican nominee, who would you be more comfortable with, Bernie or Hillary? (Original Post) Yavin4 Apr 2016 OP
Both will easily beat him if all Americans are allowed to vote, but they wont be. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #1
Bernie Kalidurga Apr 2016 #2
But he does have a loooong history of being associated with fringe political parties in Vermont Yavin4 Apr 2016 #6
Oh thanks I wasn't aware of that. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #9
Crazy like a fox Armstead Apr 2016 #14
In all cases, Hillary brooklynite Apr 2016 #3
Oh gee another post by poster Gwhittey Apr 2016 #4
I updated and corrected my post. Yavin4 Apr 2016 #7
Bernie, hands down. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #5
Disagree heartily. Bernie's positions, Progressive, represent the majority U.S. opinion highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #8
Well, I'd rather not have to choose between two right-wingers Broward Apr 2016 #10
Not much to choose between Ryan and Clinton.their policies are similar Doctor_J Apr 2016 #11
I would be far more comfortable with Clinton Gothmog Apr 2016 #12
Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #13
Hillary. Bernie get destroyed in a GE. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #15
Bernie because it would be a clear contest between liberal and conservative Armstead Apr 2016 #16
They would both easily beat the GOP candidate. HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #17
Bernie could take Ayn Rand and wrap her around Ryan's campaign like a noose... tokenlib Apr 2016 #18

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. Bernie
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016

I see his age as an asset on several issues. Social Security is one it's not a bad idea just to have someone old enough to know first hand what Social Security is and does remind people that Paul Ryan wants to cut the program in draconian ways. His grandchildren are older so he has a ring side seat on how education is working or not working. And he is old enough that we can be pretty sure he doesn't have enough scandals to write about and fill a library.

Yavin4

(35,450 posts)
6. But he does have a loooong history of being associated with fringe political parties in Vermont
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:14 PM
Apr 2016

He didn't back George McGovern in 1972. He was an elector for the Socialist Workers Party in 1980 that called for an alliance with Iran while they were holding hostages.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
14. Crazy like a fox
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:09 PM
Apr 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/bernie-sanders-is-the-uncola-of-american-politics/

From a Daily Fix interview with Chris Graff, the longtime Vermont bureau chief for the Associated Press and author of "Dateline Vermont"

FIX: Describe Sanders time as mayor of Burlington. Is he viewed as a successful mayor? Why or why not?

GRAFF: Incredibly successful. The origins of almost everything great in Burlington today can be traced back to Bernie’s tenure as mayor. When he was elected in 1981 many city leaders feared he would care more about foreign policy (his team and his supporters were known as "Sanderistas&quot than city matters. But he was laser-focused on fixing potholes and economic development and rebuilding the waterfront and saving the downtown and providing arts and developing programs for children. Today Burlington ranks as one of the most livable cities in the nation. (Editor's note: He's right!)

FIX: Sanders has been in Washington for the past 24 years straight — first in the House and now in the Senate. How do Vermonters regard him? Still as an outsider to the establishment or part of the establishment?

GRAFF: Most love him. In every parade that Bernie marches in, he gets the biggest and loudest cheers – from Vermonters across the political spectrum. He remains very popular in liberal and conservative regions of the state. That’s not to say that he is universally loved. Some business leaders, Republican leaders and even some Democrats see him as the crazy uncle in the attic.

brooklynite

(94,792 posts)
3. In all cases, Hillary
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:11 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not convinced that Sanders will have the financial resources or the organizational focus to run a GE campaign.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
8. Disagree heartily. Bernie's positions, Progressive, represent the majority U.S. opinion
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:15 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton and others can try to swiftboat him all they want, but this one essential fact remains the same.

Hillary, on the other hand, borrows heavily from every position he has taken (once they prove to be popular). At the same time, most people in their right minds know that she will swivel from these positions in an instant, when it suits her. Therefore, he commitment to these popular American ideals and principles is soft and untrustworthy.

Bernie is the far better, more electable candidate, as has been shown in polls for months now against every Republican nominee. Paul Ryan would be no different.

Now if you want someone to conspire with Paul Ryan, compromise with Paul Ryan, or govern more like Paul Ryan, I think we know which family to turn to, as in the video below.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
11. Not much to choose between Ryan and Clinton.their policies are similar
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:05 PM
Apr 2016

Many will come out to vote for Clinton because of her gender, but the limbeciles will show up to vote against her. Such an election might well be decided by the bernistas that the Clinton supporters detest. Ironic.

Gothmog

(145,666 posts)
12. I would be far more comfortable with Clinton
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:07 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders has not been vetted and is very vulnerable to negative ads

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. Bernie because it would be a clear contest between liberal and conservative
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

Both of them are ideologically oriented, and both are "clean" (I know Ryan's philosophically sucks but he is generally respected personally)

Wouldn't be a distraction of outsized personalities and weird corruption stuff

HughLefty1

(231 posts)
17. They would both easily beat the GOP candidate.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

Obviously I am hoping it will be Bernie. He does poll best against the current crop of GOP candidates.

With that said if the GOP pulls a power play at their convention against the wishes of their own voters I can see many of those voters sitting out the GE in November, which obviously greatly helps the Democratic candidate.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
18. Bernie could take Ayn Rand and wrap her around Ryan's campaign like a noose...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:20 PM
Apr 2016

...Hillary not so credibly...

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