Dan savage reminds us of Sarandon's idiocy of 2000

[joeybee12]

There was more I wanted to say. Lots more. Like this: People were saying the exact same thing—Sarandon said the exact same thing—in run up to the 2000 election. Bill Bradley (Google him) was the real Democrat and there was no difference between Gore and Bush and if Gore got the nomination instead of Bradley then everyone should vote for Ralph Nader or not vote at all because Gore and Bush were equally bad—and some were saying that George W. Bush was so awful—so obviously terrible—that Bush's election would surely bring the revolution. (Strangely... they didn't say the same thing about Gore, who was supposedly no different than Bush. They were exactly the same, no difference, but Gore's election would not bring the revolution.)

And like this: It's easy for white people with a lot of money to fantasize about what might happen if Donald Trump gets elected... because if Trump's election doesn't bring the revolution, if his election only visits misery on Mexicans, Muslims, African Americans, LGBT Americans, women who get abortions, etc., the wealthy and white can jet off to their homes in France and wait it out.

Anyway.

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/03/31/23890388/bernie-or-hillary-or-both

[CalvinballPro]

1. She endorsed John Edwards in 2008, who voted yes on Iraq, and now pretends it's her litmus test.

Not only is she wrong, she's a big hypocrite.

[joeybee12]

3. Charles Blow had a good article...she's the epitome of privilege

Won't matter to Sarandon who wins, but it will matter to a lot of people.

[jfern]

2. Jerry Brown supported Nader too. Under the limo goes Jerry Brown.

[joeybee12]

4. Has he made an endorsement yet?

When he does, we can chastize him...right now we'll concentrate on a really stupid woman like Sarandon.

[jfern]

6. Yeah, you Hillary supporrters seem to attack everyone who supports Bernie

As for Bernie, he lost a close friend because he campaigned for the Democratic nominee in 1984.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/a-former-ally-says-bernie-sanders-has-changed/Content?oid=2775474

You can't attack him there, so you have to resort to attacking his supporters. Pathetic.

[joeybee12]

9. No, I dont'...

And your repsonse i so typical...What Sarandon said is magnificently ignorant...From a grouip of people whohave thrown Rachel Maddow under the bus now, your response is rich.

[jfern]

11. You are just running scorched earth attacks against anyone who supports a candidate

who lost a close friend because of supporting the Democratic nominee in 1984, and has supported the Democratic nominee for every Presidential election since.

[joeybee12]

12. No, Im not..

I am only posting this about Sarandon because she is rightfully being called out...one person...try and define one person as anyone...what dictionary do you use?

[frylock]

7. So your criticism is contingent upon who the person endorses for President?

[joeybee12]

18. Nope...

But why bring Brown up if he's not relevant to the discussion...just trying to deflect on the stupid comments of Sarandon.

[frylock]

43. I think the stupidity lies in the interpretation of what Sarandon said.

[TM99]

15. You want to defend Clinton endorsements as well?

You want to call more women 'stupid' for not supporting Clinton?

You want to burn more and more bridges that you are going to need?

Those of us that voted for Nader in 2000 did not give the US Bush. Get your facts straight and maybe you would understand why a significant portion of the unaffiliated left is being lost yet again in a national election that the Democratic Party should win easily with the right candidate.

[JI7]

21. jerry Brown supported Al Gore in 2000

[jfern]

25. He voted Nader in the general election

[JI7]

17. Jerry Brown supported Al Gore in 2000

[jfern]

26. He voted Nader in the general election

[JI7]

30. he was still more supportive of Gore

[jfern]

31. LOL, he supported Gore by voting Nader? That's a good April Fools.

[JI7]

39. he campaigned for and publicly endorsed Gore

I don't know if he voted for nader but being in california it would not make much difference.

His words before the election mattered more. And he was not attacking for like others.

[jfern]

42. He voted for Nader just like Sarandon did.

No need to attack Sarandon if Jerry Brown gets off the hook.

[JI7]

45. i don't care who they voted for. my problem it's the things they say in public

Jerry Brown publicly supported Gore.

[jfern]

47. And Bernie campaigned for Mondale, losing a close friend. Why is this being used to attack him?

[JI7]

48. I'm not attacking bernie for anyone he supported

[dsc]

32. any link for that

I find nothing suggesting he did so.

[jfern]

33. Here

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Jerry-Brown-back-on-top-after-scorning-Dems-3163818.php

[dsc]

38. one hopes he learned his lesson

[frylock]

41. Do you know how the electoral college works?

[dsc]

44. Brown ran for President several times

he was a famous Democrat, he had no business endorsing Nader and may have thrown some Florida or NH votes his way.

[JI7]

46. he endorsed Gore

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/26/us/the-2000-campaign-the-democrats-jerry-brown-backs-gore-rivals-attack-gop.html

[frylock]

50. He voted for Nader. He didn't endorse him.

[JI7]

36. here

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/26/us/the-2000-campaign-the-democrats-jerry-brown-backs-gore-rivals-attack-gop.html

[Gwhittey]

5. Susan Shardon should drop out of the race

She has no chance to win the nomination, so no need to spend so much time talking about her.

[SheenaR]

35. Her unfavorables

Are higher than any female
Candidate ev.... Strike that. Never mind.

[jillan]

8. Sorry - I do like Dan Savage but he is not the person I turn to for opinions on other people.

[joeybee12]

10. Sorry

But try to listen to more than one person...he's far more intelligent than Sarandon.

[jillan]

13. I do listen to him. I like him, I enjoy reading his posts but he is a goofball, a loveable goofball.

He's loud and he's crazy.

I love Sarandon but she is an actress. Why did Chris Hayes even have her on?

[joeybee12]

14. Seriously?

She's a spokesperson for Bernie...of course he's going to have her on.

[jillan]

19. She is no more of a spokesperson for Bernie than Katie Perry is for Hillary.

They are entertainers and supporters and yes, occasionally they introduce the candidate.



Silly!

[joeybee12]

20. No.

Sarandon shows up everywhere...

[jillan]

23. As a supporter! She introduced him a couple of times at rallies. So has Danny DeVito.

Are you going to attack him too?

lol.

[joeybee12]

28. She has shown up for about 4 caucuses that I know of...

You're minimizing her role. Besides, as Charles Blow noted, what she said a lot of people found outragous.

[SheenaR]

37. Danny Devito?

Friggin Socialist. None of his fellow celebrities have endorsed him either

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

16. Idiots have been saying that same thing for many decades - doesnt matter if Reagan is

elected - things will get so bad people will finally rise up and things will get better.

YEAH RIGHT!

Actually, what history shows us is that often things just keep getting worse and worse, and people don't rise up at all - they get beaten down and defeated all they can do is focus on survival. Sometimes it can take generations for some societies to turn things around.

[joeybee12]

22. It's what Lenin thought too

She's probably even farther to the right than Bernie.

[jmg257]

24. Noted - I pledge not to vote for her. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

27. Susan Sarandon turned me into a newt!

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[Trajan]

29. So fucking what ...

I supported Gore, but I am not butthurt over Susan's other choice ...

And to think I once thought highly of you ... Ah well .... Political expediency trumps all ....

CLICK !

[joeybee12]

34. Yeah, right...

Ignore what she said...I have not posted about her until her stupid comments of the other day...typical Bernie supporter response...you can't criticize anyone who supports him no matter what he/she says...are you one of the many who has thrown Rachel under the bus...she apparently is not worshipping Bernie and about half this place has accused her of selling out.

[Gwhittey]

51. Rachel = Jouranlist

Susan is a actress. Do you think That Susan lets her support of Sanders change the way she acts in a movie? Rachel does with way she reports the news and it is worse when a news person does it.

Anyway Susan lives in CA and there is no way her one vote matters in that State. All this outrage of people not voting for Clinton only matters in a handful of states. I am surprised that most of you don't know that we use a electorate system in the US and not popular votes.

[artislife]

40. All this does is make me want to binge watch her movies

Hey, I don't hate Clint Eastwood or Bruce Willis for being republicans. I still would sing Firework by Katy Perry in my car going 60 plus on the freeway on a bright sunny day because that is what that song is all about...

They are engaged citizens. They make art, art that I like to watch or listen to or sing along with. All Susan has done is voice her opinion...which is her own. Get a grip.



It isn't like she cluster bombed and villages or toppled any regimes.

[Ned_Devine]

53. Excellent response

[Gothmog]

49. Dan Savage is making some good comments

[CoffeeCat]

52. It's amazing, the lengths to which people will go

and the time spent to destroy someone to bits--just because you don't agree with their views.

Sarandon is being taken apart piece by piece.

Sarandon is a very kind person, a good mother and she has opinions. She's a decent human being.

And so are Katy Perry and Amy Poehler.

Just because someone doesn't endorse your candidate--doesn't mean they're the spawn of hell.

[liberal_at_heart]

54. I am an Independent and the Ralph Nader argument does not work on me.