"The 'Bern' is turning to arson for progressives"

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MikeMorey @MikeMorey
Sanders campaign is getting increasingly reckless. The "Burn" is turning to arson for progressives https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/01/dark-turn-for-sanders-campaign/iQXKhLKcLadSzNhbxo2WOI/story.html …

The candidate who pledged last May that his campaign would not be about Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, but “about the needs of the American people”; the candidate who boasted he’d never run a negative political attack in his life; the man who said he would be “driven by issues and serious debate . . . not reckless personal attacks of character assassination,” has begun to run a very different race.

Sanders is increasingly embracing the tactics he once decried. Rather than trying to unify the Democratic Party behind its almost certain nominee, Hillary Clinton, he is ramping up the attacks against her. While once Sanders refused even to mention Clinton’s name, now he doesn’t go a day without hitting her...

Make no mistake, these are legitimate attacks on Clinton, but they do contradict Sanders’ pledge to avoid personal attacks and character assassination. Sanders cannot regularly suggest that Clinton is bought and sold by corporate, moneyed interests and then say he’s running a campaign on the issues. He’s openly attacking her integrity. In a recent TV interview, Sanders even went after what he called the “corporate media” for not covering the issues he cares about, because, he said, mainstream journalists are taking cues from their corporate paymasters. In Sanders’ world, everyone but him and his supporters are tainted.

There’s also the much bigger question of why he is doing this. Sanders likes to tell his supporters that he has the momentum to win the Democratic nomination. But the simple fact is that it would take a miracle for Sanders to overtake Clinton’s wide delegate lead. As campaign stat guru Nate Silver pointed out recently, even in the most optimistic scenario for Sanders, he would still likely fall short.

While I understand the need to maintain a brave face for his supporters, Sanders is doing them and the party he wants to represent no favors not just by misleading them about his chances, but by increasing their dislike of Clinton. Sanders has said on more than one occasion that he thinks Clinton “on her worst day” would be an “infinitely better candidate and president than the Republican candidate on his best day.” I have no doubt that he believes this. Perhaps he should start acting like it.


read: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/01/dark-turn-for-sanders-campaign/iQXKhLKcLadSzNhbxo2WOI/story.html

[DisgustipatedinCA]

1. Her integrity IS a campaign issue, a big one. This Op-Ed is worthy of a gradeschooler.

What do they teach in Journalism schools these days?

[bigtree]

3. that's all you folks have

...the 'liar, liar' campaign.

Little more than attacking everything Clinton, including those who support her. That's what the Sanders campaign represents today, an anti-Clinton effort more than anything else.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

7. She's a liar. I was taught lying is bad. You may have learned differently.

But yeah, her lies are very important to me. I don't want a compulsive liar to be the next President. I do have plenty of other issues with Clinton, despite your claim. But her constant lies are in fact a big deal to me. As I said, we may have come up learning to value different things from one another.

[bigtree]

11. lol

...you folks used to act like you were about something big.

This is destructive and self-serving to your choice in this election. That's all. There's nothing virtuous or anything productive in this effort outside of elevating the politician you're backing. It's silly to pretend it has some sort of moral value. It's just the politics of personal destruction, 2016-style.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

15. No. Honesty actually is a moral value to me. It's clear that it is not to you, but you don't get to

dictate what's important to me. You sound young.

[bigtree]

18. you focus on what you want

...but your impression of Hillary's truthfulness isn't one of the top concerns of voters in this election.

[CorporatistNation]

70. The Integrity Issue Is The Heart of The Matter... And Remember... "It Ain't Over Yet!"

Yeah it Ain't Over Yet!"

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[riversedge]

29. their campaign is nothing but

crickets --and boring

[noiretextatique]

37. Intergrity is a pretty big issue

For some people, clearly not you. Your agenda and tactics are pretty clear, so I know integrity is not an issue for you. I remember that switcheroo you pulled on a thread about a month ago. You may not remember, but I do.

[bigtree]

48. that's the arrogance of the Sanders campaign talking

...as if they're the only ones who could possibly care about integrity.

I'm just not buying the campaign bullshit from Sanders and his supporters.

And I'll tell you what. Bringing up the other nonsense (whatever the fuck it is) just rendered you invisible to me here.

[uponit7771]

58. +1

[CorporatistNation]

73. What BullShit Are You Referring To?

TRUTH?

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[dchill]

2. "Make no mistake, these are legitimate attacks ..."

So.....

[PowerToThePeople]

22. Exactly

facts hurt Hillary, so no facts can be allowed to be spoken by Bernie.

[dchill]

42. Interesting verbal gymnastics, though...

Bringing up an unfavorable fact=attack.

[wendylaroux]

4. FACTS AREN'T ATTACKS nt

[bigtree]

5. how about FACTS about your candidate

...instead of tearing down your Democratic rival at every opportunity.

The Sanders brand has reverted to politics as usual.

[wendylaroux]

9. FACTS AREN'T ATTACKS

[bigtree]

12. CAPS AREN'T FACTS

[Andy823]

14. Only if they aren't about Bernie

Then facts ARE attacks according to the vast majority of so called Sanders supporters. Don't bet me wrong, there are some who to admit it when Bernie's mistakes are pointed out, but the really radical over zealous bunch who seem to have taken over his campaign, will never see, are at least admit it when Bernie's "facts" are brought to light.

[wendylaroux]

69. 100% correct!!

[Karma13612]

55. Bumper sticker. +100

Writes itself!

[wendylaroux]

68. you're right!! nt

[joeybee12]

6. KNR

Good luck with this...the saint apparently can do no wrong here. What you bolded is exactly right.

[dchill]

43. Simon Templar has nothing to do with this.

[betsuni]

8. K&R

[beam me up scottie]

10. Today's meme: BERNIE WENT NEGATIVE also: BERNIEBROS SUCK

[mariawr]

13. Damn they bought all the news pundits to shill for Hill. Swat one, another jumps out.

Capehart, move over you have company and they're just as shameless as you.

[beam me up scottie]

16. Did you read that Mike's tweets? He's hillaryous! Jonathan Capehart is a BIG fan!

[LAS14]

17. K&R

[panader0]

19. "He's openly attacking her integrity."

Well, he should attack that much stronger than he has because she has none.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. From the wayback machine

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/02/barack-obamas-messiah-complex

[dchill]

44. Excellent archaeology! To the point, and coincidentally...

he was in Wisconsin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. That I did not realize

[Number23]

21. K&R

[morningfog]

23. I'm glad he's gone negative and called for it much earlier.

He would be in a better position had he started taking Hillary on directly earlier. Damn straight it anti-Clinton, it's a two person race and she is anti-Bernie. It's zero sum. It's politics.

And we aren't misled about his chances. We know is is slim to nil. But it is not nil until he concedes or Hillary secures a majority.

[beedle]

24. Finally we are seeing some REAL

transparency in the Main Street Media.

No sense, integrity, honesty or shame, but their objective is as obvious as any could ever be.

[Mary Mac]

25. Hil we're chipping away at that glass ceiling.

It's hard not to be diverted by Bernie but don't be. It's a lose lose situation. Best to stay on your excellent message and stay positive.

[Number23]

26. After seeing the video and how well she handled the Sanders supporters, I am really starting to root

for her. My "meh" for her is starting to turn into genuine excitement.

[rbrnmw]

38. remember your poll in the AA group

if you look I started out supporting Bernie I went from feeling the bern to seeing how impressive she really is especially after The Salem Witch Trial er.... Benghazi Hearing. She kicked some Republicans asses that day. Then after being brow beatin about how Bernie knew my problems better, I became a strong Hillary supporter. Then being told my family in the south had a slave master relationship and thats why they voted for Hillary, I was done listening to their negative mess. Stockholm Syndrome, Hillary voters are privileged and white college kids are being oppressed I got pissed and started speaking my mind. The deal breaker was the bullshit they have put my sister bravenak through, fuck that mess for real.

[Number23]

40. Yep. I went from "meh on both of them. I like Sanders enough but feel that Hilary has more

experience" to really getting more excited about Hillary and realizing that maybe I don't like Sanders very much anymore. And for many of the exact same reasons as you.

[rbrnmw]

41. saying that my kids were on corners upset me

saying I said black 50 times Northern Blacks are smarter and will vote for me I started giving him the side eye. That's some serious tone deafness Jesse and Cornel should have told him.

[uponit7771]

60. Sanders "ghetto" comment did it for me, it established what I thought about the guy not being

... brown people exposed but the fact Hillary was and seemed to be comfortable with a broad range of issues made me thing we're getting someone competent in the White House and not a clown.

[ibegurpard]

45. Of FFS...

You've never been "meh" for her.

[uponit7771]

61. Meh relative to Obama...

[Number23]

74. I've never in my life seen people so fucking gung ho to argue over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

that they actually think they have the intelligence, ability or NEED to actually tell OTHER PEOPLE who they've been supporting as well as how much they've supported them. You guys are the greatest advertisement for Hillary Clinton that she could ever HOPE to have.

[uponit7771]

59. +1

[Jefferson23]

27. Bernie, by continuing his campaign is increasing his supporters dislike of Clinton?

The author has many fantasies..many.

Clinton is the flawed candidate, compromised by corporate donors, her hawk approach to foreign
policy and who is so uninspiring she is compelled to sound like him.

This OP is a fucking joke. No one owes her anything.

[riversedge]

28. A dark turn for the Sanders campaign

The title says it all.


A dark turn for the Sanders campaign https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/01/dark-turn-for-sanders-campaign/iQXKhLKcLadSzNhbxo2WOI/story.html #p2 #apologizeforwhat

[KelleyD]

30. I have made my decision after a long time listening to the debates.

I voted for President Obama when he was against Clinton in 2008. I found myself hating Hillary because of my fervent support for Obama at that time. After the primary I was impressed by Hillary's support and backing of our candidate. When Pres. Obama chose her for Secretary of State I was happy. As their collaboration continued my view of Hillary evolved into admiration. I never thought I would feel this way.

I now find myself leaning toward supporting Hillary this time because she is the most informed and thoroughly knowledgeable canidate about our world situation. I trust her to guide our country toward a safe place. I used to like Bernie but his supporters and he as a candidate make me really dislike him. He is not a Presidential material. I would be embarrassed by him representing my country. We need a Statesmen or Stateswomen to represent us in the International community. I don't see Bernie being our image in the world. He comes off as angry and divisive...not some one I can see working with world leaders.

[Kall]

31. He's just fine, thanks.

When the grizzled military veteran who survived her harrowing encounter with Bosnian sniper apologizes for arguing that Bernie's plan for universal Medicare would take health care away from "millions and millions and millions of people," and for sending her child out on the campaign trail to do the same, then she can start making a case for integrity.

[bravenak]

32. K&R

[bkkyosemite]

33. This is a primary. She was TERRIBLE towards Obama. Bernie is telling truth.

You can't handle the truth...oh wait that's a movie.

[Kalidurga]

34. Uh huh

Big Bad Bernie is Berning down da house. Nothing but attacks on her highness. I think ya'll got bigger problems than Berning Bernie though. You should probably start thinking about a fire wall between Hillary and the FBI instead of worrying that Bernie is gonna tell the truth about Hillary.

[Karma13612]

56. Exactly--

It's OK for the assumptive nominee to be preparing to face the FBI regarding her choices while SOS of the US of America?

That's not damaging to the beloved Democratic (cough DNC) party?

But continuing to run an issues campaign, along with defending himself like a strong leader, is considered damaging.

We are headed to the convention and we will win!

[uponit7771]

62. more wingerish attacks

[noiretextatique]

35. Right...the experienced one goes nuts on an activist

But that is considered normal.

[Meteor Man]

36. This Is Simple

With few exceptions, very single media outlet is gearing up for a Trump v. Hillary cage match to maximize ratings.

CaChing!

Keith Olberman and Mellissa Perry Harris are the proof of the pudding. A genuine "radical leftist" voice is not permitted. Ratings rule over all journalistic concerns combined.

Can we review Marshall Mc Luhan's "The Medium Is The Message"? [link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message|]

Does anyone else read The Daily Howler? [link:http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/?m=1|]

Who cares what any talking bobblehead's opinion is about the price of tea in China?

[yodermon]

39. "it would take a miracle for Sanders to overtake Clinton"

Then why bother with this article

[DCBob]

51. Because what Bernie is doing could be damaging to the party.

Personally I dont think its a huge problem. In fact we need Bernie's message to live on after this campaign. I hope he gets a significant role at the convention.

[PufPuf23]

46. Why do you keep posting such cringe-worthy astroturf?

You are smarter than that.

I am questioning your integrity.

You are smart enough to have some words of your own

How about take a policy and compare and contrast Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders?

We agree that Trump or any GOP would be a disaster and born-to-lose 3rd party candidates are a negative factor.

At least try. You obviously have the time.

The title of the article is, "A dark turn for the Sanders campaign" not "The 'Bern' is turning to arson for progressives" appears no where in the article. You have cherry picked 5 non-adjacent paragraphs and one has to go to the site to see you have made the article, that is negative, more negative, as it is about Sanders stepping up the pace of negative campaigning.

The author is Michael Cohen not Mike Morey. Who is Mike Morey?

His bio:

Michael A. Cohen is a regular contributor for The Boston Globe on national politics and foreign affairs. He is a fellow at the Century Foundation, a lecturer at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs, and has written for dozens of news outlets, including a column for the Guardian and Foreign Policy. He previously worked as a speechwriter at the US State Department. He is the author of “Live From the Campaign Trail,” which looked at presidential campaign speechwriting, and he is currently writing a book on the 1968 presidential election.

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49. blocked

...question that.

[PufPuf23]

57. Bump for visibility.

I have never felt the need to block a poster at DU.

[DCBob]

50. This will sort itself out in a few weeks when he loses NY, MD, & PA.

All three huge delegate states. Then it will become obvious even to the die-hards its over.

[EdwardBernays]

52. Lol

The desperation is getting... Desperate.

[Scuba]

53. "Rather than trying to unify the Democratic Party behind its almost certain nominee, Hillary Clinton

Yeah! How dare he run for President when it's her turn!

[Karma13612]

54. Exactly what I said. For

Crying out loud!

It's called a campaign.

And it was after she started saying bull$hit stuff and interrupting him in the debates when he became tougher.

Let's just say, I recognize the tactics and she is playing dirty.

Considering how everyone is so sensitive about sexism lately, I am disgusted with all the articles and the males on her campaign staff coming out to "defend her against the big bad Bernie".

What a load of nonsense.

Trump would not be as polite, at all

[uponit7771]

65. or.. how dare he keep lyin about his prospects for winning. Sanders is losing a lot more than a ...

... primary right now

[Scuba]

66. He's in it 'til the end and stands a fair chance to win. Check back after Wisconsin votes Tuesday.

[uponit7771]

67. This is false, math matters

[yardwork]

63. Sanders has become a cult of personality.

[rock]

64. Very nice

+1

[SHRED]

71. Is this considered a "personal attack"?

The State Department under Hillary's leadership promoted hydraulic fracking worldwide while working closely with big oil interests.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511630955

http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron



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[SidDithers]

72. DU rec for all the best reasons...nt

Sid