There is a reason why many are still angry at Hillary Clinton.We are not "Bernie Bros"

[Sky Masterson]

We aren't "Bros before Hos" as we were accused of in 08.
Some of us cannot let go of the fact that when we needed her to take the path of Paul Wellstone she took the path of George Bush.
She isn't the only one who did this,they all did (Besides Wellstone and Sanders).

Instead of saying this:

She said this:

Hundreds of thousands of us in the streets trying to stop this preemptive war from happening and we were silenced.
The Media (Including MSNBC) sold it and our politicians handed Bush the keys that drove the Middle East into a ditch.
THIS is why we are dealing with the Hornets nest of ISIL/ISIS.
I think back now to 2004 when Bush was reelected and how pissed I was that he could Lie us into a war and the Nation would reward him for it via a second term. It was America telling the world that we were okay with it.
We rewarded Bush with a second term! Chew on that thought a little and tell me you aren't pissed.
And now we may in fact Reward Hillary Rodham Clinton with the highest office in the land regardless of the fact that in the most crucial of votes and this



from so many of us that she took the easy and popular vote instead of the hard right one.
And if she is the nominee in the end I will walk up to the voting machine and vote for her.
I will do it with great sadness as if part of my soul has died.
I will do it for the Supreme Court.
So no, I am not "Bernie or Bust" or whatever slogan drummed up to stereotype Sanders supporters.
I am just a man who still feels the hurt. So much that it Berns.

[Betty Karlson]

1. Kicked and recommended for sheer dignity.

[TrueDemVA]

2. The lesser of 2 evils

Is still evil. I don't mean to say Hillary is evil, not by any means. I feel like the only way to stop this corrupt process is to not continue to vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I know the consequences to a decision like that may be so destructive to our society and may take years to overcome, but if we keep rewarding these corporate puppets with our votes it will never change.

In my heart, I can not bring myself to vote for Hillary for many reasons, especially for what you have noted above. To think that she voted and endorsed a decision that got so many men, women, and children killed or permantly disabled is heart breaking. At times throughout history, she has made the wrong decision. That trend will only continue.

I am sorry to all, but she will never get my vote.

[Sky Masterson]

4. It is your voice and vote

And right.
All I know is that I'll be 50 in June and I might have 20-30 years left(Hopefully more) so I just can't not vote for the lesser "Still evil" and help the even more "Evil&quot Republican) win the White House and install a Tea Bagger on the Supreme court.
I'll find a bridge to jump off of I'll tell ya.
To me the Supreme court protects the seventh seal of the Apocalypse(That may be stretching it).

[w4rma]

44. Easy solution: Help Bernie Sanders win. (nt)

[840high]

40. I'm with you. Thank you.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

3. Nope. We've all been manipulated by Rove and Fox for 25 years. Her vote on the war is just another

example.

[BeyondGeography]

5. If it's any consolation

IWR cost her the nomination in 2008. Barack Obama probably wouldn't have run if she had voted against it. Or at least he shouldn't have; she would have been unbeatable.

She paid what was for her a huge price, and rightfully so. There were many Democratic voters who were dug in on IWR as a litmus test in '08 and I think it sent a strong message. Note that any Dem in the Senate who might want to run for President sometime, including moderates like Cory Booker, got behind the nuclear deal with Iran. No accident, imo.

Also, I don't quite get the bit about Wellstone and Sanders being the only ones who didn't go the way of Bush on Iraq. 21 D Senators voted against it as did 126 Reps.

[Omega_X]

42. Your not helping.

That's actually damns her even more.

[BeyondGeography]

43. Wasn't trying to

[Scuba]

6. K&R

[mainer]

7. And after that, she DIDNT LEARN. Libya.

If she'd said "I made a mistake on Iraq," I'd be far happier to vote for her. But she never acknowledged it, and she talked Obama into overturning Khaddafi. More chaos, more death. No lessons learned.

[GreatGazoo]

8. Clinton's base is fired up when she is attacked

and that might work well in a GE, especially against Trump. But against Sanders it has been tough.

Sanders' message is so consistent that the Hillary campaign regularly tries to find something usable among supporters of Sanders. When they can't find any of those that suit their need to be "attacked" then they claim Greenpeace is Sanders.

The invention of "BernieBros" seems designed to frame Clinton as being unfairly attacked on reasons that distract from discussion of policy and issues. They created a fake enemy that frames the campaign along the demographic boundaries they cling to -- gender, age, race -- not on issues.

"BernieBros" and similar narratives are designed to fire up those who already support Clinton and keep them engaged. It is as if they are saying 'Can't get excited about $12 min wage? Okay, how about alleged sexism, racism or tone ?"

The Washington Post investigation reached these conclusions:

out of a total 52,181 tweets mentioning @HillaryClinton, just 606, or 1.16 percent, contained these insults. While these slurs only represent one particularly overt form of sexism, the fact that so few were present in these tweets is remarkable.
...
in the final stage of analysis, we coded whether each slur originated from a Bernie Sanders supporter (as determined by their Twitter bios or corpus of tweets) and, among verifiable Sanders supporters, whether the sender was male, female, or unknown.
...
And though any and all instances of sexist slurs deserve condemnation, Sanders’ keyboard warriors accounted for just 89 (out of 52,181) such tweets during the New Hampshire primary. That is a mere 00.17 % of all the tweets mentioning @HillaryClinton that we examined.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/02/24/these-6-charts-show-how-much-sexism-hillary-clinton-faces-on-twitter/

[w4rma]

45. They're so fired up they forgot to show up to represent her in Nevada. And it wasn't even close.(nt)

[bigwillq]

9. K and R

[JaneyVee]

10. Wellstone voted for the crime bill and DOMA

Hillary did not.

[Sky Masterson]

12. Wellstone isn't running this year

What about Don't Ask don't tell which was a product of Bill Clinton
Or Hillary sternly proclaiming that "Marriage is between a Man and a Woman".
She is an ardent defender of what the polls tell her to ardently defend.

[JaneyVee]

17. Bernie signed a town resolution as mayor...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8FLYbegXp9JNENTR0pVelk3bHM/view

Hillary did not.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Hillary Clinton on marriage equality and her religious objections to it:

2000: "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman."

2003: "You know, marriage has a meaning that ... I think should be kept as it historically has been"

2007: "I prefer to think of it as being very positive about civil unions… It's a personal position ... we have made it clear in our country that we believe in equality. How we get to full equality is the debate we're having, and I am absolutely in favor of civil unions with full equality ... of benefits, rights, and privileges."
http://www.pride.com/need-know/2015/04/13/5-hillary-clinton-sum-her-evolution-gay-marriage


She spent decades offering detailed and personal objections to the equality of millions of American women and men. That's a basic point of history that she's going to have to deal with if she wants to advance. After her claims that Reagan was a hero in the AIDS crisis she's on thin ice and about to take down all of her endorsers with her.

[Sky Masterson]

24. .

[Demsrule86]

25. So did Obama and many others

People have evolved on this issue...took having a gay family member to open my eyes to the truth...I am so sick of all of you bashing Hillary Clinton who has done nothing to any of you...she was a liberal senator and good Secretary of state...she put Obama's policies in place...you people are beyond reason with this hatred and you are hurting the country.

[beam me up scottie]

33. That had nothing to do with same sex marriage, the lies have been debunked:

Clinton Supporters Contorts Queer History to Attack Sanders’ Record

Stop spreading bullshit about Bernie's civil rights record.

[Newkularblue]

13. FFS

How many hundreds of thousands of DEAD HUMAN BEINGS were caused by DOMA or the crime bill?

In what universe are these decisions equivalent??

[JaneyVee]

14. 33,000 gun deaths a year. Since 1992. Do the math.

Bernie voted to protect the gun industry.

Also, Bernie voted for HJ Res 64, Afghan War, Kosovo, and Somalia. Im sure those were all casualty free though.

[Newkularblue]

19. No, they werent and that blood is also on OUR hands,

But you cant equate votes on DOMA or the crime bill to IWR.

[beam me up scottie]

34. Hillary promoted both and would have voted for them.

[madokie]

11. What a contrast between the two

one was a statesman the other is a person who will say or do anything that will advance her quest in life

[Demsrule86]

26. After the way Sanders has behave in this primary and the vote against autos ...he is no statesmen

I dislike him more and more everyday...and I used to like him...voted for him in Ohio.

[BillZBubb]

36. I call bullshit!

You are full of it.

[intheflow]

15. Thank you for stating my feelings so succinctly.

To the Clinton supporters who say it's time for a woman president, I say it's time for peace, it's time for a focus on domestic policies, it's time to stop US global intervention and war-mongering. And whenever I say that, I find most Clinton supporters don't respond because as Democrats, most of them in their heart-of-hearts know it IS time for peace. They may not want Sanders, but they can't argue against my position without sounding like Republicans.

[Newkularblue]

20. Thank you!

Guilts a b___ch. But until we all face up to what we are responsible for the status quo remains.

[MrMickeysMom]

16. Yay, LIARS! They're the best!

BTW....

Where are the transcripts of your Wall Street speeches, Hillary?

[BlueStateLib]

18. Hillarys IWR vote was for diplomacy not war

If it was a vote for war why was Iraq invaded by Hans Blix and the U.N. Weapons Inspector

Hillary Clinton Floor Speech A.U.M.F. Use of Force Vote
October 10, 2002

While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq.

Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

[killbotfactory]

23. Bush cut short inspections to invade

And Clinton, Kerry, and every other democrat who supported the war vote went right along with it.

[Segami]

21. Hillary Clinton: A Habitual Liar Yesterday, A Habitual Liar Today & A Habitual Liar Forever.

Hillary Clinton is a confirmed, repeat-offender liar. The majority of voters are not wrong when they say she is untrustworthy & dishonest. Does anyone believe she will change her ways once elected? The level of Clinton coverups, lies and daily misinformation we should expect from her will make Milhous Nixon look like an honest politician.

[Demsrule86]

28. I think your wrong

I see no lies period...I see blinded Bernie supporters raking a good person over the coals...and you all do it with GOP lies ...for shame.

[bravenak]

27. Bull

[daleanime]

30. For which? The history of what happened?

Or the way we feel about it?

[daleanime]

29. Massive K&R.....

[SocialLibFiscalCon]

31. Her corporate masters wanted war

So of course she obliged. She is the epitome of everything that is wrong with our political system.

I will not vote for any of the R's but the thought of having to cast a vote for Hillary and continue the status quo makes me want to cry.

C'mon Bernie!

[CharlotteVale]

32. K&R

[bbgrunt]

35. Her actions were shameful and a lesson never to be forgotten.

[azmom]

37. K&R

[BillZBubb]

38. Even in a world of dishonest politicians, she manages to outdo them all.

Lying is an automatic reflex for her. To hide, evade, and stonewall are her go to actions. Her stated positions change as often as the weather.

Now to some degree, one can stomach the lies and take the good with the bad. But her cynicism, cold indifference, and arrogance are just too much to bear.

Hopefully the party comes to its senses before the convention and rejects her candidacy.

[840high]

41. ....

[closeupready]

39. She accuses Bernie of lying, but refuses to hold to account

those who lied to HER with regard to the Iraq War. I mean, that disconnect should speak VOLUMES to anyone half-sentient.