Let's talk about privilege - being actively investigated by the FBI...

[Bread and Circus]

...but still being the "odds on" favorite for the Presidency!?!

Has any other candidate in recent memory been in a situation where they were actively being investigated by the FBI but yet still has the largest chance of winning the Presidency? Sounds incredulous when you think about it.

What if Sanders or any other candidate was in this situation? How far would their candidacy go?

It seems like there's one set of rules for Hillary Clinton, but another set of rules for the rest of us.

Why is she being so vigorously propped up?

[RiverLover]

1. The establishment wants to continue & expand their Money Train.

There are some deep pockets with their grandkids' trust funds riding on this.

[daleanime]

77. Ding, ding, ding....

We have a winner.

[JoePhilly]

2. The endless whining is getting old.

That's for sure.

[Marr]

7. "Whining"? Your presidential candidate is being investigated by the FBI.

This isn't some stupid gaffe in front of a tv camera. If it doesn't pan out the way Clinton's fans insist it will, we lose the election, period. And even if it does, she's given Trump more than enough to rip her to shreds with. She's already widely viewed as untrustworthy.

[JoePhilly]

10. Its a RW wet dream that sadly some ...

... Bernie supporters have latched on to.

The indictment fairly is not coming.

[Marr]

14. It isn't a dream, for crying out loud. She *is* being investigated by the FBI.

While I agree that an indictment seems unlikely, neither of us has privileged information and shouldn't pretend to. An indictment is a possibility, no matter how hard you squint your eyes and shake your head. If one does materialize, and she's the nominee, we've lost.

And again, even if it just drags on quietly, she's given Trump all he needs to shred her to pieces. She's already seen as untrustworthy. Anything he says will stick on this topic, and few will listen to her explanations.

[randome]

18. You're right, we don't have privileged info so have no idea if she is being investigated or not.

We don't know that about Sanders either, do we?
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[Armstead]

30. We DO know that she is being investigated

Whether that leads to an indictment or anything worse is not known. But she is being investigated....yet again.

And yet again for arrogant stupidity of breaking the rules that mere mortals have to follow.

[Marr]

40. No... we *know* she is being investigated.

What we don't know are specifics of the case.

[randome]

47. We 'know' no such thing. We know there is an investigation of her use of a private server.

That is not the same thing as an investigation with her as the target. It doesn't matter how many of these tiresome posts appear on DU, they won't affect a thing.
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[Scuba]

72. Is Hillary being investigated? Depends on what your definition of "is" is.

I defended the Clinton's for decades, got fucked as my reward. I'm done with their lying and thieving ways.

[Darb]

73. That comment was positively

VRWCish. How does it feel to be a part of that group of asshats?

[dchill]

79. What? You too?

I have a feeling we're not alone.

[840high]

53. We do know. I believe

the FBI not you.

[CorporatistNation]

25. The Mere FACT That Hillary Is Under FBI Investigation Loses A General Election W/O Question!

She is the "Queen of Obfuscation" and cannot provide even a straight answer when she is asked if she lies... I mean there is no there there when it comes to Hillary's personal and political integrity... It just is TOTALLY NONEXISTENT! Not one other person to blame but herself!

We have seen this "movie" before...

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[2banon]

31. psst..

read a reuters report this morning posted here on du that investigation has now come to an end.

Although, I have to say it was a bit confusing, FBI told State Dept. to suspend investigation. It almost seemed like a typo.

I agree that other matters will poison her run up to the election but there will be no indictment, there will be no grand jury on this specific matter and as far as I can tell, pending interviews have either been suspended or already taken.

The powerful and wealthy do not ever receive justice for anything others would be thrown in the slammers for in a blink of an eye.

[peacebird]

35. FBI told State Dept to suspend THEIR investigation, until after FBI investigation is concluded

So it is still ongoing.

[2banon]

44. hmm. Either I mis read the reuter's report or

there are conflicting reports, which is not unusual. matter of fact it seems like in so many other countless instances.

I'll take your word for it, and assume I read the reuters piece incorrectly.

[peacebird]

49. Here's a link

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state-department-halts-clinton-email-investigation-defers-fbi/story?id=38083129

[2banon]

56. ok.Wow, I read a different article which seemed to suggest

That the FBI had informed and instructed the State Dept, that the investigationcan be brought to a halt, because their investigation was complete, and did not require any further action.

This clearly paints a different picture.

I suspect a whole lot of sand is going to be thrown at this case and it will eventually be buried.

[karynnj]

57. State is deferring its internal investigation as requested by the FBI, which IS STILL investigating

There are possible interviews, but it is only speculation who and when. Another piece of information is that Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan, Heather Samuelson, and Phillipe Reines, all Clinton inner circle people all are using the same top notch DC lawyer, who incidentally is David Gregory's wife. You don't hire expensive legal assistance at a point when everything has ended.

[2banon]

61. Their atty is David Gregory's Wife? OMG

Thanks for the correction on my mis read of the reuters report..

I understand this all seems imminent. but I'm skeptical due to the fact that I've seen way too many huge crimes go unfettered in Washington.

This will go the way they always do, the rich and powerfully connected will not have to sweat a tear over anything anyone else would be thrown in the slammer for life.

With good friends like the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds' (literally) HRC and her patsies have it in the bag.

That's why she said so confidently, "Not Going to Happen" in that debate in response to the question: (paraphrasing) should voters be concerned regarding these new reports.

[dchill]

80. Your takeaway is exactly wrong.

FBI investigation is ongoing. They've taken over from the State Department. So sorry.

[2banon]

81. Yes, I have been corrected in other posts, I acknowledged my mistake

It isn't necessary to beat me over the head time and time again.

I am, however, concerned my friends are investing energy behind the notion of a day of justice delivered.

History has shown, no matter how high the crime, no matter how clear or how abundant the evidence, the rich and powerful never faces the consequences which would be delivered to any other citizen for much lesser crimes.

At the end of the day, I'm fairly certain she will not face a grand jury, or face any serious charges for these violations.

Not because the evidence isn't there, not because her guilt is in doubt, but because her connections to TPTB will protect her all the way. She is completely insulated.

I've lived through too many decades of watching how this actually works for people like her, and it never ever works out the way it ought to.

It would be a first, if the results of the ongoing FBI investigations ultimately brought down a political titan like Clinton.

[WMDemocract]

59. Yeah but....

Just imagine what sort of skeletons Trump has in his closet. Clinton has been coldly calculating a presidency for decades, no doubt (somewhat) keeping her record spotless. Trump has been a d*ckish alpha male business mogul doing whatever he wants for the last few decades. Remember the backlash Romney got from angry workers who were squeezed out by his private equity firm? That's going to look like a ringing endorsement in comparison to whatever comes crawling out Trump's dossier...

[revbones]

21. Good response, really proves your point

"Indictment fairy", that counters anything...

[Autumn]

29. It's a shame that your Hillary created that RW wet dream that should she win

the nomination will put a republican in the White House. You are right on only one thing there will be no indictment, one isn't needed for her to finally slide into the dustbin of history.
link for anyone who needs it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_heap_of_history

The phrase "ash heap of history" (or "dustbin of history"[1]) figuratively refers to the place to where persons, events, artifacts, ideologies, etc., are relegated upon losing currency and value as history. A notable usage was that of the Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky referring to the Mensheviks: "You are pitiful, isolated individuals! You are bankrupts. Your role is played out. Go where you belong from now on – into the dustbin of history!" in response to the Menshevik faction walking out of the All-Russian Congress of Soviets (25 October 1917) in Petrograd, which allowed the Bolshevik faction to dominate the party.[2][3][4][5] In a speech to the British House of Commons (8 June 1982), U.S. President Ronald Reagan said that "freedom and democracy will leave Marxism and Leninism on the ash heap of history".[6]

[pinebox]

33. The FBI isn't RW, sorry

Why doesn't Obama dismiss the investigation as the FBI falls under the Obama administration?

[daleanime]

78. "Latched on to", no.

Worried about? Oh hell yes. If she gets shoved down our throats it's going cost us tons both up and down the ticket.

[polly7]

27. Libya was destroyed.

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Thousands of people killed. Tens of thousands of African migrants driven out, hung in the streets, burned alive, tortured, raped - as well as Qaddafi loyalists. Millions who had been living with the highest standard of living in the area, had jobs, equal pay, health-care - are now being terrorized by the IS freaks who were basically handed all those weapons left behind in this lying sham.

Blumenthal (who was hoping for investment in a failed Libya) was emailing her wrt action on Libya - apparently, Obama didn't trust him. Clinton pushed Obama on Libya ....... these emails to and from Blumenthal were all kept from any scrutiny even from Obama - do you think that's alright? I find it amazing, seeing all the horror then and now.

[2banon]

42. yeah, this Blumenthal character deserves serious scrutiny at the min

if only justice can be served on those that righteously deserve it.

It won't happen here, sad to say it.

[Samantha]

83. And Sidney Blumenthal has no classified security clearance

He is also someone Obama specifically told Hillary was banned from participating in his administration. Yet, there we see those emails....

One might say she was running a rogue State Department on her own.

Sam

[2banon]

28. I guess you'd prefer Pitchforks?

it just may come to that at some point.

That'll give ya something to whine about, surely?

[JoePhilly]

62. Spare me the drama.

And the impotent threats.

[2banon]

65. ...

I'll Let George Carlin Respond explain it to ya..

[CoffeeCat]

52. The world is laughing at us

On the Republicans side, we've got Donald Trump, a ridiculous, Fascist clown as the frontrunner.

On the Democratic side, we've got a candidate who is being investigated by the FBI, and who is about to be questioned by the FBI for having a private, unsecured email server on which she sent classified information.

This investigation into what Hillary did is going to be very rough on our country. This is going to be very rough on the Democratic party to endure all of this.

It's not funny.

[Bread and Circus]

82. No, it is not.

[Rebkeh]

3. That's a good point

What if it was Obama or another person of color? There's no way.

[Bread and Circus]

5. I would argue that would even sink a lot of white male's candidacies too....

and that's saying something.

So I agree, if you are person of color, you have to nearly be able to walk on water.

Definitely a lower bar for white males....

But seemingly a very low, low bar for Clinton...

[TwilightGardener]

4. Dem leadership hanging on to power at all costs. Sold their souls.

[NorthCarolina]

6. Wasn't Bill Clinton under investigation during his run for a second term?

Isn't that when the Monica Lewinsky and the blue dress scandal was happening?

[Land of Enchantment]

8. Travelgate and filegate come to mind...but oh, there

were several...will look for a link.

[speaktruthtopower]

22. Travelgate was basically about pissing off the press...

filegate may have had more substance, but once political spinning is involved the real facts can get lost.

[RiverLover]

11. No, Monica was towards the end of his second term. /nt

[Land of Enchantment]

12. Here ya go...my internet connection is going in and out last couple of days,

sorry I can't get a better link....

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-brief-guide-to-clinton-scandals-from-travelgate-to-emailgate/article/2562906

[Bread and Circus]

17. By the FBI?

[Land of Enchantment]

23. Yep, and they ended up closing a long time office that pissed off the FBI even further...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_FBI_files_controversy

The White House FBI files controversy of the Clinton Administration, often referred to as Filegate,[1] arose in June 1996 around improper access in 1993 and 1994 to Federal Bureau of Investigation security-clearance documents. Craig Livingstone, director of the White House's Office of Personnel Security, improperly requested, and received from the FBI, background reports concerning several hundred individuals without asking permission. The revelations provoked a strong political and press reaction because many of the files covered White House employees from previous Republican administrations, including top presidential advisors. Under criticism, Livingstone resigned from his position. Allegations were made that senior White House figures, including First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, may have requested and read the files for political purposes, and that the First Lady had authorized the hiring of the underqualified Livingstone.

[IdaBriggs]

24. First term he was being sued for sexual harassment. He was confident

It would all go away once he was President, but the Supreme Court smacked him down hard on that.

Oh, and that wasn't to be confused with Bill and Hillary going on 60 Minutes and lying to the country about his having an affair with Gennifer Flowers - of course, she had tape recorded their phone calls, so...

[840high]

54. Didn't they pay $600 thousand to one

of the accusers? Maybe Jones?

[joshcryer]

50. The Clinton's have been under "investigation" their entire public life.

[840high]

55. Rules and honesty doesn't

seem to matter to them.

[joshcryer]

60. One investigation spent $60 million and uncovered a blow job.

The "great right wing conspiracy" is very very real.

[840high]

63. Tell me why the Clintons

paid Jones off with $600 thousand.

[joshcryer]

64. Effective blackmail by Paula Jones.

[840high]

66. For hanky panty.

[joshcryer]

71. Well, Paula Jones was no peach.

And David Brock admitted he made it all up. Why not continue the façade if you knew you'd get paid? Frankly the story is unbelievable to me.

[mmonk]

9. Unprecedented.

[Octafish]

13. Important for those interested in making sure the System operates as planned.

"Money trumps peace," meaning wars without end for profits without cease so the richer can become richer while We the People settle for Austerity.

[smiley]

15. I've been thinking the exact same thing.

I don't understand how this fact alone doesn't disqualify her. She is not the best candidate we have. In fact she's a liability.

[Babel_17]

16. I think her candidacy is reflective of the overall condition of our party (nt)

[R B Garr]

19. Bernie is being investigated by the FEC.

InvEsTiGaShUnS!!!!

His while spiel is a corrupt campaign finance system, and he is being investigated for oorrupt campaign donations. LOL.

[HassleCat]

32. All candidates are investigated by the FEC

Or the equivalent agency at the state and local levels. Investigation of campaign finance is ongoing, and is conducted in regard to all candidates, PACs, and political parties. I used to do it as part of my job, so I am not making this up.

[beam me up scottie]

38. Thanks for the truth bomb, that talking point is lame.

But when your candidate is under investigation by the FBI you have to create a diversion somehow.

[R B Garr]

69. The FEC letter was specific to Bernie's campaign.

But your post pretty much agrees that "investigations" aren't really that big of a deal, after all.

Bernie's whole brand is tainted by this, though. His main platform is whining about the campaign finance system, but he's under "investigation" himself. If he can't even get his main theme right himself, it discredits him.

[merbex]

34. Wow, some small donor hit send too many times. He might get fined and someone will get their money

back.

There's a big problem.

Remind me again, how many ACTUAL fundraisers has he had? Under 10?

She should wish for a problem like this.

It's called enthusiasm.

[R B Garr]

68. HA, what a pantload. Looks like you didn't read the FEC letters.

How funny. And what do fundraisers have to do with anything. He's made a corrupt campaign finance system the cornerstone of his campaign and he openly maligns other politicians about it, yet he can't get it right himself. Nice to see Bernie supporters acknowledge that INVESTIGATIONS aren't really all that big of a deal, after all. Wink Wink.

[amborin]

20. Outrageous that she was so cavalier w/ her responsibilities, at best

[Tarc]

36. I love these threads form the Sanders camp

No real point, not even an article to link to and discuss. Just a blog-ish screed denigrating Clinton for the evil-crime-of-the-day.

They've realized that talking up Sanders and his causes isn't making his path to the nomination viable, so the only avenue left it to tear Clinton down.

By all means, carry on.

[Bread and Circus]

41. Yeah, how dare we discuss things.... on a discussion board!!!

[Tarc]

46. You are pontificating, not discussing.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

[Bread and Circus]

48. Ok, from now on, no original threads without a link to another person pontificating in some blog!!!

Because, reasons!!!

[Politicalboi]

37. Because she is privileged

It's disgusting and I hope she gets to see the inside of a jail real soon. Both Clinton's are disgusting.

[FlatBaroque]

43. Chelsea is now also a full time scammer

I hope they give the little baby some time before the little one is pushed out on the Gerber speaking circuit.

[nc4bo]

39. Hillary did this to herself. Now DNC/HRC thinks we should just ignore HER behavior.

Perhaps what she did/does wasn't/isn't illegal but it damn sure isn't ethical and it certainly is reeking in hypocrisy.

I have zero fucks to give if the likes of a lil Kim, George Clooney or Angelina Jolie do trifling, shady shit but I do care what a presidential candidate does.

If a candidate is going to be messy, they ought to be called on it and subsequently judged by their shady behavior.

[bigwillq]

45. K and R (nt)

[bowens43]

51. never underestimate hillary's base, the low information voters.....

[WMDemocract]

58. It's politics...

Hillary has been in the spotlight and building her brand for decades. The investigation doesn't matter to the millions of people who will support her no matter what. The investigations only matter to people who weren't going to vote for her to begin with. Don't equate political preferences with rigid logic.

[Attorney in Texas]

67. The privilege Hillary should worry about is the Fifth Amendment privilege against self incrimination

[kristopher]

70. Why is she being propped up?

It's the insurance that went along with the $21,468,000.

[Darb]

74. Another thread listing posters

who will have some splainin' to do Ricky, when this horseshit is put to rest. Ooops, I forgot, they'll just say that the fix was in. See how that works? No accountability, no honor, no integrity needed, just innuendo and belief. The bagger types have been doing it for years, and it works too.

And this coming from "democrats". Or should I say "Democratic Socialists"? What do you want to be called today?

[Bread and Circus]

75. Clinton is under active investigation by the FBI, rightly or wrongly. If she weren't a Clinton, this

would have sunk her candidacy.

Hence, the OP.

Sorry.

[PatrickforO]

76. The establishment doesn't want Bernie.