2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie is Hustling the Democratic Party
Seems like if he wants the superdelegate's backing, he should at least make the case that he can bring home the bacon, but he's not even trying ...
....
So far, the Hillary Victory Fund has raised $26.9 million with more than $22 million of it going to the DNC and the state party committees. Clinton has a formidable delegate lead but that doesnt mean that Sanders still doesnt have a chance. The Bernie Victory Fund is practically dormant. But the fundraising haul of $43.5 million in February and his goal to surpass that record-breaking effort for his presidential campaign in March means Sanders is in the race until the bitter end. And if he threads the needle, he very well could become the 2016 presidential nominee.
Now, heres where the Sanders hustle comes in. While most people still assume that Clinton will win the Democratic nomination, all that money she is raising for the DNC and state parties will go to helping said nominee in the general election even if that ends up being Sanders. The master fundraiser who hasnt lifted a finger to help his adopted party. The fiery campaigner who has hammered his opponent for raising the money to fortify the DNC for the general election. The person who stands to benefit enormously from Clintons big-money prowess without sullying his carefully crafted aura of campaign-finance purity.
If he doesnt want to [waste] my time going to rich peoples homes begging them for their campaign contributions, if he really is not even interested in the kinds of money Clinton has access to, then he should forego all the money she has raised for the DNC and state committees if he were to become the Democratic nominee.
Sanders would need every dime of that money to fight the Kraken released on him by the Republicans. But given all that Sanders has said, wouldnt it be the height of hypocrisy to capitalize on the money hes so gleefully scorned? Sure would be. And not relying on it would be unbelievably stupid. Sanders is not stupid, even though his campaign rhetoric in this regard is.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/31/heres-why-a-bernie-sanders-victory-for-the-nomination-would-make-him-a-hypocrite/
LexVegas
(6,081 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)Please explain ...
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Lol.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Personally I think Sanders is being honest. He is not saying "I will give you this" but "If you stand up for yourselves, I'll help you get what you need"
Big difference.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)I mean he should be following Clinton example. You know get media to lie and call Sanders Racist. And having black community leaders endorse her then lie about same thing. That is the real way you run for office. Not this straight talk Truth crap. Dam it lie to us already, the Truth hurts us Senator Sanders!!!!
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)Enough said.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)Hillary and others raise money and share it with the DNC through a Victory Fund.
Then the national and state DNCs have discretion to give it any candidates they want...
... most likely Hillary.
Please ladies and gentlemen, why can't we have honest debates and discussions.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)There is no victory in sight for Clinton. Her path to the nomination is now closed
Whomever wants to take my wager we can begin working out the logistics.
#lol@atmybadself
salinsky
(1,065 posts)Bernie is lying when he says he has a path to victory.
He's has blockaded all paths and burnt all bridges, and he knows that.
George II
(67,782 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Who do you think turned our party into the anti-FDR, anti-worker, pro-Wall Street, pro-war for profit, pro-monopoly, pro-privatization, pro-deregulation party that it is today?
We need Bernie to save the party!
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Clintonian Triangulation.
polichick
(37,152 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)and probably one that some people are getting paid by the post to make. Not saying you specifically are, but that some are.
But it's not going to be effective in swaying people here, because anyone reading DU has enough awareness to realize the DNC is actively working against Bernie in the primary, and it would be counterproductive for Bernie to raise funds to aid an organization's attempt to defeat him.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... These are not the actions of a real presidential candidate serious about advancing socialism or leftist goals.
These are the actions of a cheap hustler.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)you have posted this kind of material before and in the replies you have been shown many people that are running a Sanders democrats and they are using his fund raising plan.
go to the people not the fucked system
lol
salinsky
(1,065 posts)I think it's a pretty straightforward analysis of how Bernie is failing to support Democrats while Hillary does so.
And, I think you may have me confused with another poster ...
... so, if you could provide evidence of the many insurgent socialists who are running as Democrats using Bernie's fund-raising plan, it would be appreciated.
What are they running for - dog catcher of Portlandia?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)are you into animal abuse?
do you like Alabama more than Oregon?
you have seen the huge list and have responded to it
lol
welcome to ignore
salinsky
(1,065 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,720 posts)They have no evidence, just BS they make up.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)selling us all out to Big Money Interests
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)... Works?!!!??!!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)buy, including elections."
It's the Clinton Class vs. the middle and working classes.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)lol
MineralMan
(146,321 posts)really connected with the Democratic Party. For many of his supporters, that is a plus. However, when it comes to down-ticket candidates for House and Senate seats, it's far from a plus. The President does not work in a vacuum. He has to have strong support from Congress, but he doesn't seem to be looking for that, really.
And, frankly, he's not getting it. Every Democratic House member and Senator is a superdelegate. Every last one. The number of those superdelegates who have endorsed and are supporting Hillary Clinton is telling. Democratic Senators work with Bernie Sanders and have worked with Hillary Clinton in the Senate. They know both. They're familiar with both candidates by association with them. House members, too, have experience with both candidates as legislators.
Almost all have endorsed Hillary Clinton. A few have endorsed Bernie.
Frankly, those endorsements should be informative to voters. The goal is to get progressive legislation enacted. That will require cooperation at all levels.
That is why Bernie Sanders will almost certainly not be the Democratic nominee for President, despite his insurgent popularity, especially with independent voters. Long-time Democrats are voting for Clinton.
And there it is. That's my opinion, by the way. Yours might be different.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)Precisely.
I don't get why that's so hard to understand for some.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)all that "dirty" stuff like Politics and sometimes even compromise and concessions (oh the horror!!!)
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If it were they would have been fighting a lot harder and a lot longer to do that.
They haven't. And we are all suffering from their malfeasance.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)in present environment Progressive legislation is DOA
Armstead
(47,803 posts)They placate corporations and the GOP whether in power or out
Stallion
(6,476 posts)just a fact-liberals and progressive have not won enough elections to push their platforms and policies through the legislative system. There have been many moments of progressive and liberal reforms like the Voting Rights Act, Social Security, LBJ's War on Poverty, ACA, Reform of the Tax Code to raise taxes on the rich by both Clinton and Obama etc. This just demonstrates that true progressive reform is hard work and involves compromise and concessions to move the Country forward. Electing Bernie will do nothing to change this reality. In fact, without a natural constituency Bernie will find himself isolated on an island because there is no voting coalition to pass Free College Education, Medicare for All, Public Option etc, Several of those in fact failed precisely because there was no majority voting coalition to pass such legislation.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)electing someone who has long been a part of the power block that has stifles progressive reform on issues related to power and money.
The whole idea is to stop the rightward movement on core issues, and begin to move the pendulum to the left.
You're correct. That is a long and arduous process. But progressives have been trying in various ways to overcome the heavy burden of systemic corruption, and Bernie's campaign is just the most visible manifestation of breaking through.
By the way, I have nothing against moderates -- as long as they are liberal/progressive moderates. It's the ones who undermine those goals that I see as the problem.
KPN
(15,647 posts)Other than that? Meh....
Endorsements don't carry the weight they once did. And certainly, lack of endorsements doesn't equate to non-support within the party down the road should Bernie win the GE and become President.
You may also be right that Bernie won't/can't win the nomination. We shall see on that -- I certainly hope you are wrong and believe he has a legitimate shot. If he does not, it will have been because of the Party and Clinton machine.
BTW, long-term Democrats are not voting for Hillary. Some are, probably most, but many aren't. I have voted D for more than 40 years. I'm 100% for Bernie. Am I an "insurgent"? Seems to me you minimize, and the Party marginalizes, these "insurgents" by calling them that. I think the Party will, in fact, pay for that down the road.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Democrats who want the coattails effect from him should adopt those policies. Tim Canova and Tulsi Gabbard have both received windfalls of support & donations as a result of supporting his campaign. But many democrats in office think his policies are too controversial so they tend to stay mum or even oppose his positions--which is consistent with the superdelegate breakdown.
MineralMan
(146,321 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)You argue that Sanders has no coattails. I provide examples of coattails and you argue that it might not be automatic victory.
I can assure you that Hillary also does not have coattails that provide automatic victory.
MineralMan
(146,321 posts)he can't get elected. Reality matters more than symbolism. Every time.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... and the senate.
But first we have to fight the entire establishment to get the nomination,
including this crazy MSM propaganda.
I'm really offended by these dishonest articles.
salinsky
(1,065 posts).... who is pursuing a campaign which could win back Democratic Congressional majorities.
When Hillary is both winning more votes in the primaries and fundraising for Congressional campaigns while Bernie is not, how can Bernie be considered a better candidate to win back Congress?
You've been conned.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)Bernie keeps gaining support. This support is young and enthusiastic.
Yes rank and file democratic supporters are voting for Hillary Clinton.
I think you are not seeing the big picture.
It's okay though, time will tell.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Some of us can see right through the lofty platitudes and don't fall for the unicorn dreams.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Naw can;t do that. Leave it to "us" to get the job done.
The con job of the Demoservatives has been massively disingenuous and manipulative.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)I can't afford a Lamborghini ... and that is demoralizing ... but much better than someone saying, "You too can have a Lamborghini next year if you vote for me."
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Personally, I'm quite happy with my Honda Civic. Gets me where I want to go, and has a great radio.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Nah, I prefer a candidate who is raising money from us little people
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)largess, if by some misfortune he makes it to the GE.
A hustler of the first magnitude. His Pureness is beginning to look a bit sullied.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)sold it to the Koch Brothers and turned it into a corporate organization pushing all of the Republican Party programs right in front of your eyes. And Sanders is hustling someone?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)If the Democratic party is being hustled then that is its own fault for being so dishonest and manipulative.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Where the once esteemed profession of journalism is hijacked by big money. Thanks for playing!
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Fuck Capehart.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)You guys have NOTHING. You know you support the worst candidate EVER and you're looking for something to make it look better for the Queen. Clinton supporters are like abused spouses. Excuses excuses excuses.
jeepers
(314 posts)corporate dollars into the DNC bless her heart, but is that supposed to make me feel good about my chances of being heard?
Am I for or against the corporate buy out of Amerrican democracy, I forget.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)I don't want to be a member of a party funded by WalMart and Exxon lobbyists. Even if the Dems win, they won't be able to really work for the people if they owe favors to the corporations and banks.
In 2008, Dems won big. In 2009, they passed a health care plan that is far from Universal Health Care and leaves out the working poor. WalMart workers now have 'health insurance' with a $5500 deductible, so they have no health care access at all. 1 in 5 Americans still can't afford to go to the doctor when they get sick.
We need a better Democratic Party. Same-old same-old is not good enough!
If Bernie gets the nomination, then he can encourage his followers to contribute to the Democratic Party, with confidence that a Bernie-led Party will be ON OUR SIDE.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)the Daily News Bin. They are obviously SO anti Bernie it's not news, not reporting, it's just smears and propaganda for Hillary.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... and state Democratic parties? ...
... but he'll gladly accept their largesse should he win the nomination? ...
These inconvenient facts are smears and propaganda?
Spin it, brother!
Blame the messenger!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)he doesn't take money from Super Pacs, or haven't you heard? Also the FACT that the Dems are actively working AGAINST him doesn't help at all.
And I'm not your brother - sister.
Goodbye!
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Because you know, this....from November.
I love fact free discussions, they are fun!
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)isn't exactly neutral in all this.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)What is it about you guys and math?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)oasis
(49,395 posts)unc70
(6,116 posts)Talk about manufactured talking points. Isn't he discredited enough already!
This really has become farce now. The same dozen or so Clinton supporters dutifully reposting the same topics from early morning to late at night. Getting sloppy now. Often not even bothering to make the titles slightly different. And the same things being posted all over the Internet. So spontaneous and effective - not.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He's been so thoroughly discredited he's a laughingstock.
Thanks for the belated April Fool's day prank.
Capehart.
lakeguy
(1,640 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts).... Bernie is gonna have to rely on the super delegates to secure the nomination.
His strategy of running away from the establishment pretty much renders that prospect hopeless.
He's certainly not unaware of this, so I'm left to conclude that he's running to change the conversation and winning is secondary.
Interestingly, Trump is in much the same position.
Protest campaigns are doing remarkably well this cycle.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Of course the superdelegates aren't supporting him!
salinsky
(1,065 posts)Bitch about the process all you want, but it's just commonsense for the establishment to support the loyal soldier who is bringing home the bacon and helping down ballot.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It's time to change the rules of the game.
Here's a crazy idea... how about we allow the people to elect a nominee?
Throd
(7,208 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I find some great irony that the loudest voices here, pushing for 1%-er rule, war as a policy tool, low taxes on the rich, health care rationed by ability to pay, and limiting education to the kids of already-wealthy familes...
... are the same ones who have spent the last 13 years criticizing me for being insufficiently progressive.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Hillary's $18 Million "Victory Fund" could be spent helping her campaign
By bondibox
Sunday Jan 03, 2016 · 11:02 AM PST
Hillary Clinton has raised $18 Million for the DNC and state parties, money that is commonly referred to as a "victory fund." The assumption is that all of this money will go toward helping "downballot candidates" but that is not necessarily true.
During the primary campaign, donors are limited to $2,700 in direct contributions to the candidate. To elicit larger contributions from willing donors, a candidate can set up a Joint Fundraising Committee which allows donors to cut one check that gets distributed to the candidate as well as a state party and the national party. The first $2,700 goes to the candidate's campaign, and any additional money can go to the state party ($10,000 limit) and the national party ($33,400 limit). Clinton's campaign has so far raised $18 Million for the national and state parties.
However,
There is nothing stopping the state party from using the money to help the eventual nominee
Could that $18 Million be spent on helping Hillary's campaign? At least part of it can. I was unable to find out if that same lack of restriction also applies to the national party which receives the bulk of the JFC money.
It's also possible that some of that $18 Million could be spent on Bernie Sanders' campaign, should he win the party's nomination.
One could speculate that the closer the presidential race is between the Democrat and the Republican, the more likely it would be for these funds to go toward the presidential candidate rather than the downballot candidates. So the candidate who trails or only has a slight lead against the Republican might end up sucking away a portion of the victory funds otherwise meant for the downballot candidates. I'll leave it to the reader to interpret the polling of potential matchups and draw their own conclusions as to the various scenarios regarding the likelihood of that money being spent on the presidential candidate.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)our ridiculously long campaign season, big money politics system simply sucks
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)So much is out of control from big money to campaigns to our own lawmakers or should I say our own non-lawmakers.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)The fact that he's not supporting other Dems shows where his true intentions lie. He promises free college education, but how is he going to deliver on that without strong congressional support? And if he's not helping other Dems get elected, then why are they going to fight for his legislation?
To translate an agenda into actual legislation requires forming political alliances. Large crowds at events aint going to get it done.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)He's a demagogue, not a Democrat.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)Sixteen years after he cost Gore the election, have you heard anything from Ralph? Has he done anything significant?
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... and, was shouted down and then barred from posting in the Bernie group.
But by then I had already been banned from posting in the Hillary group for congratulating Bernie supporters on his win in Michigan, so I must be doing something right.