Is this the ultimate in pandering for Hillary?

[pinebox]

Because well, it sure as hell seems to be!

This was at a LGBT event. Leather???? Cue the "Hi, I'm a poser" music.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/hillary-clinton-wears-leather-talks-trash-blows-stop-article-1.2585665

[CorporatistNation]

1. WITHOUT QUESTION THE CAMELEON STRIKES AGAIN IN THE ULTIMATE PANDER!

Here IS Some TRUTH on Hillary...

[pinebox]

7. Yup

Cue Culture Club! lol

[Fuddnik]

81. Well, I'm not loaning her my Harley.

[TDale313]

2. Meh. Seen far worse from her. n/t

[JackRiddler]

13. Yeah, this is pretty harmless stuff.

And I'm in the minority of those who not only don't care about her outfits but find them stylish and sometimes enviable. (None of which would ever make me support her.) Hell, I wish I had the leather one right now, cut to a men's shape.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

80. SlickItUp makes a lot of leather fashion...

www.slickitup.com (be careful: not safe for viewing at work; lots of half naked male models)

[oasis]

3. She's not a part of the "revolution" so no need for a dowdy dress.

[pinebox]

5. Leather?

Seriously....she isn't Freddy Mercury or Rob Halford.

[oasis]

8. What would YOU suggest she wear?

[pinebox]

9. How about normal clothes for a start

[geek tragedy]

62. Amazing how people lecture women on their clothing

choices. Even Hillary Clinton.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Fringed chaps,

or whatever....anything but a dress

[TM99]

29. Well duh,

it is an LGBT event so she needs to wear a rainbow pant suit!

[Politicalboi]

4. She does NOTHING for LGBT

She's a sham and a liar, and it's a shame people like Rosie and Billy Jean don't see through this pile of shit. I'm sure Hillary and the Donald laughed many times about Rosie at big fundraisers they've had together years back.

And that leather jacket

[pinebox]

6. I thought it was a leather pantsuit XD

[Darb]

52. Positively reminiscent of what

a bagger might say. Aren't the baggers obsessed with pantsuits? That is the equivalent of me calling Bernie a commie.

[KoKo]

66. Hillary was signaling her support for the "Leather Culture" or BDSM?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather_subculture

Leather Subculture

The leather subculture denotes practices and styles of dress organized around sexual activities that involve leather garments, such as leather jackets, vests, boots, chaps, harnesses, or other items. Wearing leather garments is one way that participants in this culture self-consciously distinguish themselves from mainstream sexual cultures. Leather culture is most visible in gay communities and most often associated with gay men (enthusiasts are nicknamed "leathermen&quot , but it is also reflected in various ways in the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and straight worlds. Many people associate leather culture with BDSM (Bondage/Discipline, Dominance/Submission, Sado/Masochism, also called "SM" or "S&M&quot practices and its many subcultures. But for others, wearing black leather clothing is an erotic fashion that expresses heightened masculinity or the appropriation of sexual power; love of motorcycles, motorcycle clubs and independence; and/or engagement in sexual kink or leather fetishism.[1]

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Association with BDSM
SM Men at London Pride 2008

In recent decades the leather community has been considered a subset of BDSM culture rather than a descendant of gay culture. Even so, the most visibly organized SM community has been a subculture of the gay community, as evidenced by the American competition known as 'International Mr. Leather' (established 1979), and SM Gays in the UK (established 1981). Meanwhile, other subcultures have likewise appropriated various leather fashions and practices.
LGBT

The Leatherman's Handbook by Larry Townsend, published in 1972, epitomizes the association of the leather subculture with BDSM.[10] Townsend described in detail a community of gay males who wore leather and casually engaged in sadomasochistic sex with one another. Recreational drugs and alcohol were frequently used. Pairings were often just for one night or a few days. Participants often took a dominant role in one encounter but a submissive role in another (a practice known as "switching&quot . Townsend describes very little in the way of social hierarchy or organization within this culture, though he does convey a definite sense of community.
Demographics

Although gay men are the most visible symbol of the leather community, in 2010 there are numerous women who identify as leatherwomen - and women have the International Ms. Leather (IMsL) event as their corollary to International Mr. Leather (IML). An example is Joan Jett, who has a leather pride sticker prominently displayed on her guitar.

[msongs]

11. gee more sanders people bad mouthing clinton because she is a woman who wears clothes nt

[pinebox]

18. Gee, more Hillary supporters unaware of the leather subculture within the LGBT community

#ShockedNotShocked

[NanceGreggs]

31. Gee, more BS supporters unaware ...

... that millions of people who are not part of "the leather culture within the LGBT community" wear leather.

[pinebox]

32. Gee because showing up at a LGBT event dressed in leather means nada. Amiright?

Seriously Nance, come on, this was done for one thing only, pander.

[oasis]

34. Did Bernie eat SOUL FOOD with Killer Mike or did he order pizza?

[pinebox]

35. Because people don't eat? Right?

I eat all kinds of stuff. That being said, why don't you do a Google image search and see how many times Hillary has been dressed in leather. Pro tip---there's hardly any images.

We all know what leather means within the LGBT community. It's no secret. The only reason she did that was to fit in and pander. Just as she has changed her tune with being an ally, she once wasn't.
It is what it is.

[oasis]

36. Nice try.

[pinebox]

37. I'd say winning

I'm guessing you didn't Google it did you? #nope

[oasis]

38. That's rich. I google to prove the point of your OP. Try

Google a pic of Bernie eating fried chicken w/collard greens and cornbread. Not too many of those around either.

[pinebox]

39. Again you're defelecting

Bernie eating fried chicken is irrelevant and borderline racist at that.
I love how you Hillary supporters can't see the brick wall even when your nose is against it.

[oasis]

40. I believe fried chicken can be considered SOUL FOOD.

You're the one deflecting. Running away from Bernie's obvious pandering with that delicious plate of SOUL FOOD in front of him.

But of course, to certain DUers, Bernie is above pandering.

[LanternWaste]

77. Your desire to find distinctions lacking a relevant difference are amusing.

Your desire to find distinctions lacking a relevant difference are amusing.

Candidate X does A-- it's pandering. Candidate Y does A, it's outreach.

Bias is a helluva drug.

[riversedge]

61. It was a big FAIL

[Tanuki]

72. She wore the same jacket back at her speech at the Apollo Theatre in Harlem.

Is that what "it meant" then?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2585664.1459545080!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/usa-elections-clinton.jpg

I also posted a picture downthread from a post made here on DUweeks ago which showed her wearing the same jacket in Youngstown. What was your "pander" angle on that one?

[geek tragedy]

41. Blackleathergate! nt

[uponit7771]

44. +1

[EndElectoral]

12. This is almost like Dukakis with the tank in 88. Oh boy.

[Gwhittey]

14. You all are making fun of this but are missing the Big Picture

It is at Apollo and that that room holds 1506 people. And it almost was at half capacity. And there was a Event that was already scheduled to take place after her speech, so who knows if that number was even there to see her.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

15. it's not as obvious as her changing accents

or changing positions

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. "Don't you love my jacket?" No calculating candidate-speak or behavior THERE, huh?

Like I've always said... she is to honesty as Nylon is to nature.

[arcane1]

27. "Being a fashion icon"

That's news to me!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Pure Poetry...

Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote,
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note.
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple,
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people.
(He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins
He's eatin' bullshit.

Bob Dylan

[KoKo]

70. ...!

Yep...

[geek tragedy]

19. Bernie people policing Hillary's wardrobe, very progressive nt

[Bluenorthwest]

71. Hillary says 'gay people, I'd better wear leather!!!' which is naff and of course SHE talked about

her clothing, asked if people liked it and thus it is a valid thing to talk about. She wore it with intention. What was the intention?
If you walk into the room and say 'How do you like my outfit?' you can't legitimately affect that clothing is off topic. If I bring up my bad haircut, I can't act insulted that you say 'yes, bad hair cut'. If I take the stage and say 'Don't you love my shirt?' it's too late to say 'how dare you all talk about my shirt'.

Pick one. No double standards.

[Fumesucker]

20. Like a hyperbola approaching its asymptotes Hillary will approach but never reach maximum pandering

[geek tragedy]

21. and Bernie people will never run out of ways to patronize Hillary

based on her voice, whether she smiles too much or not enough, how she does her hair, or what clothes she has on.

[Fumesucker]

22. Bless your heart

Said in my best Hillary fake Southern accent.

[all american girl]

45. That's funny....

I'm from Iowa, lived in the south only 2 years of my life, left there 13 years ago, and y'all still creeps out. When I lived outside of Pittsburgh for two years, I talked a bit like a Pittsburgher. I live in Europe, third country now, and yes, sometimes I will say things in British English, not American English...cupboard or wardrobe, bin for garbage, takeaway, car park....you get the idea. Hell, I say weekend wrong. It happens. Some of us pick up different ways of talking because of where we live or who we hang out with...

But no amount of telling you this will matter. You have your mind made up.

[jack_krass]

54. Do you base your speaking style on who you're talking to?

I could totally understand if Hillary picked up a little southern twang, based on her time spent down there.

Funny though, how this is only apparent when she's speaking to southerners!, and hits it's peak when she's speaking in black southern churches. Lol. Not a trace of this when she's speaking in New England or California!

[all american girl]

57. Yep.

When I walk down to my grocery store, the British English comes popping out...they speak Dutch here. When I'm with my European friends, The British English comes pooping out. Hell, many years ago, I lived in Denmark, I was friends with a Japanese woman, I would do her mannerisms...had to make myself stop, that's from living in Japan for 3 years. So yeah, I change, but don't mean to, with who ever I'm talking to.

And actually, if you listen to her, she has her Chicago accent, but it has a bit of southern in it.

And I understand if you don't believe me, I'm just someone on the interwebs. It's funny though, my husband and 2 kids to the exact same thing. And I will admit, it is very, very strange.

[Still In Wisconsin]

23. Excellent, excellent math reference! n/t

[nc4bo]

24. Interesting choice I do say.

What it means...... but I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[DebDoo]

25. She forgot to mention

How America Ferrara wants to Netflix and chill with her.

[Kalidurga]

26. This is the best satirical article yet.

It even looks like it comes from a real newspaper.

[LexVegas]

28. Berniebro speak.

[senz]

30. Empty insult.

[pinebox]

33. As opposed to Billary denial?

[Prism]

42. It's too amusing to be offensive

It's obviously kind of tongue and cheek. And I'll say it, I think it's a good look for her. The crowd obviously enjoyed it.

I'm a gay Sanders supporter, but this registers a meh on the scale. Obviously it's a bit of pandering, but it's an entertaining and light-hearted kind. Abuelita, now that was tone deaf and offensive. This just seems like harmless fun.

I'm pretty critical of how Clinton has treated the LGBT community, but this one only registers a snort and an eyebrow.

[PonyUp]

43. She really outed herself when she HAD to mention her jacket. She thinks they're stupid.

And she thinks she's a "fashion icon"? LMAO!
Only if the rest of the world have Dr. Evil's fashion sense is she an icon to fashion.

[KoKo]

65. Great Pix...Every time she's worn that jacket

I kept thinking it reminded me of something unleasant. And, there it is. She seems to have a "wicked" sense of humor about her pantsuits and jackets.

[all american girl]

46. So there it is....woman running for president, and it's about her clothes. Great.

[wendylaroux]

78. nay,we'd talk about Bernie too,if he were to wear a James Brown type leather suit with the boots.

[jack_krass]

47. Does Hillary think that

All LGBT are foul mouthed, leather wearing law breakers?

I suspect not. I truly think she just likes playing dress-up, putting on airs, and testing various lingual accents for her "audience".

Maybe she should have been an actress?

[PonyUp]

49. Does Hillary think? nt

[auntpurl]

48. BREAKING NEWS: woman wears jacket.

Seriously, is this thread worthy? A person wears clothes?

For heaven's sake.

[PonyUp]

50. It's the fact she talked about wearing a leather jacket to pander to people.

I bet you the store tags were removed from that jacket right before she went on stage. She thinks everyone is stupid and will fall for her fake southern drawl and other impersonations. It's insulting and no different than Dukakis driving a tank, and W wearing a cod piece and flying in on a fighter jet.

[Tanuki]

59. "Store tags"? This is just part of her wardrobe. There is a picture of her wearing the same jacket

in an Irish bar in Youngstown about three weeks ago, as noted in a DU thread at the time. I remember it well, because one of your fellow BSers made the extremely offensive comment, now mercifully hidden, that it was "made from the skins of Bernie supporters, no doubt."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511481127

[JSup]

68. I bet...

...you don't get any replies from non-Hillary supporters to this one.

[pinebox]

55. Obviously you don't get it.

Whoosh.

[geek tragedy]

63. Yes, Bernie supporters are policing Hillary's wardrobe

because she is a woman who wears clothes.

She's worn that jacket before. And the fact that it bothers Hillary Haters makes me hope she keeps on wearing it.

[Bluenorthwest]

75. Your candidate asked people if they liked the jacket. She made her sartorial choices a subject of

discussion by discussing them herself. It is insanely easy to give a speech wearing a jacket and never mention the jacket at all, I've done it many times myself. If any person makes the choice of making their outfit into a topic, or a pandering point then that person's outfit is now a valid point of discussion.
I understand that Camp Clinton thinks 'she has the right to constantly reference her fashion choices in public but to mention that she references her clothing is vorbotten' but that's an absurd double standard. She talks about her clothing, so others will too. Once you ring that bell, the bell is rung.

[Darb]

51. Weak post.

Jussayin. You probably knew that.

[pinebox]

56. And yet you responded

Thanks for the kick! XD
IMHO she has a history of this, right up there with her fake accent

[Darb]

58. No prob, still weak.

Go find a hobby.

[pinebox]

60. Got a hobby.

You may want to go outside though & get some fresh air. I hear it's good for you. Perhaps you could meet someone so you're not freaking out on an internet message board. We get it though, It's hard to get the big picture when you have such a small screen.
She's pandering, it is what it is and nothing but. Right up there with her fake accent. Nobody has time for that. I wasn't aware Queen was holding lead singer auditions.

[Darb]

64. Nobody is freaking out but the bernies.

You guys need a time out. Can't wait for it to be over, and it won't be long now. Then you guys can go pout about how you aren't going to vote and we can't make you.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. 'the bernies'? What the fuck sort of crap is that?

You are defending your biased candidate and her creepy attempts to pander. It's the same thing you all did after she praised Reagan as an AIDS advocate. Privileged and creepy.

[Myrina]

67. Um, April 1st?

Or was this really real? It's hard to tell anymore.

[pinebox]

69. It was real

[Myrina]

82. Wow.

SMDH. Words fail me.

[berni_mccoy]

74. Pandering to a Disgusting Level. She reeks of it.

[LanternWaste]

76. I fully understand your need to focus on clothing rather than policy.

It's very important we criticize candidates for mere clothing... otherwise, how could we rationalize our absurd pretenses of insight and cleverness?

Priorities are weird things, and though I may find your predilection for her wardrobe without merit, indicative of a need for gossip, and getting close to being the lowest hanging piece of mental fruit on DU this month, you may actually think it's with nothing but merit-- relevant and telling in some weird way.

Cue the "hi-- I pretend to be relevant" music.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

79. Why do you hang out with that sadist?

Beats me.

[pinebox]

83. lol