2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary says that her Corporate Donors don't affect her decisions,
..but Bernie says that his Millions of donors do affect how he makes his decisions. Which is it Hillary?
You must think we're stupid or something.
Jus' askin'
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)...We have answered against Clinton and now we the people are outraising her and her billionaire cronies.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)But how much did Bush raise? And what the hell happened to that high roller?
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)..I can still hear that Toilet flush.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Of course her corporate donors, her foundation donors and the people who pay to hear her lovely voice giving off the record speeches influence every fucking decision she makes. Hell they influence every breath she takes
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And I believe Bernie only slightly more. I learned a long time ago to never trust a politician.
KPN
(15,665 posts)who must think we're stupid. There are plenty of them. But the sleeping giant was just sleeping and has been awakened.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,887 posts)if they didn't expect something in return? When I donate to a campaign it's because I'm hoping that candidate will promote policies and legislation that helps or at least don't hurt me. Corporations are not allowed to donate directly to a campaign, but thanks to the Supreme Court they can donate unlimited funds to super PACs that support a candidate. Of course, there can be no coordination between the campaign and the PAC (and if you believe that never happens, well...), but why would a corporation, as directed by its management, give large sums of money to a candidate's super PAC unless it expects that candidate to do good things for it? What other reason could there be to give that money away? And how naive can anyone possibly be to believe a claim that donations don't affect decisions?
Baitball Blogger
(46,765 posts)I hate it when leaders lie to us.
brooklynite
(94,779 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)People-based policies attract people-based donations.
We know what kind of policies draw corporate-based money, and what sort of future policies those dollars will drive. Tautology.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)She said one old time Texas legislator told a newcomer, "Son if you want to survive in the Texas Lege, you gotta be able to drink their whiskey, screw their women, take their money, then stand up on the floor of the lege and vote against them." (I am quoting this from memory, so it may not be 100 percent.) Of course this doesn't happen now, because the amounts of money are so astronomical, and that money plays such an important part in a politician's life. All legislators say they follow Ivins' advice, but we know not all do. Perhaps none do. Call me cynical, but I think money buys things, and nobody spends money unless they expect to get something in return.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)pengu
(462 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Thank You.
CentralCoaster
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And $27,000 for a seat at dinner and chance to actually touch her.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)She said her donors don't affect her positions, he said his does. You'd say "Which is it?" if she had also claimed Sanders's donors affect his positions.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)People lie to you for 2 reasons.
1) They don't care about you. They could care less if they hurt you with their lies. They're going to tell you what they want, and could care less what you think or feel. Fuck you, believe it or don't, they couldn't care less.
2) They think you're stupid. They think, for whatever reason, you are too damned dim-witted to know you are being lied to and think you'll believe whatever garbage they spew your way.
So, no Hillary, I'm not stupid and yes Hillary, I know you don't give a fuck about me.