How can a brilliant political scientist like Rachel seem oblivious to the DLC?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

Someone explain to her that the pre-DLC Democratic Party was very close to labor. Then a movement, led by monied interests and elites, the DLC, came along and ended welfare as we know it (whistle), got tough on crime (whistle), entered "Free" trade agreements (broke with labor), and put the final nail in the Glass-Stegall coffin. And yet, she's befuddled that Bernie wants to move the Party in a new direction. Or more accurately, he wants to return the Party to its pre-DLC roots. This shit escapes her.

[Lucinda]

1. Bernie has no interest in the party. It's just a vehicle for him. n/t

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

8. Bernie plans to lead the Democratic Party. Whether he gets that opportunity is a different question

[Lucinda]

11. No he doesn't. If he did he, would be keeping his word and be working towards

electing other progressives. He was very clear recently. He ran as a Dem for the resources and media attention. His words, not mine.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

19. The POTUS is the leader of the Democratic Party. Starting to sound like Clinton supporters don't

want anything to do with a Sanders led Democratic Party. Did I get that right?

[msongs]

35. bernie plans to be president. the democratic party is just his temporary vehicle nt

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

37. Nope, he said he's taking it with him. Sounds like you guys would drop out if he got the nomination

I said it a while ago, the way you guys go so aggressively at Sanders supporters for not supporting Hillary in the GE appears to be projection. You guys are proving me to be correct, here.

[Lucinda]

56. LOL

Twist away.
I've been perfectly clear that Bernie has no interest in the Dem party. And fortunately, he wont be our nominee so I don't have to worry about his lack of leadership skills in that regard.

[daleanime]

53. No, sound like the DLC and Clinton supporters are willing to shove old school democrats...

out of the tent, and then wonder why she's not receiving any enthusiastic support. This primary will show me if that's any place left for me in the party.

[pangaia]

10. Oh, gobbledeegook.

[Lucinda]

16. Bernie Sanders on Monday told NBC’s Chuck Todd that he ran as a Democrat to get more media coverage.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-independent-media-coverage-220747

Bernie Sanders on Monday told NBC’s Chuck Todd that he ran as a Democrat to get more media coverage.
During a town hall-style event in Columbus, Ohio, the independent Vermont senator said, “In terms of media coverage, you have to run within the Democratic Party.” He then took a dig at MNSBC, telling Todd, the network “would not have me on his program” if he ran as an independent.
Money also played a role in his decision to run as a Democrat, Sanders added.
“To run as an independent, you need — you could be a billionaire," he said. "If you're a billionaire, you can do that. I'm not a billionaire. So the structure of American politics today is such that I thought the right ethic was to run within the Democratic Party.”
POLITICO has previously reported that Sanders initially resisted running as a Democrat, but was convinced by his advisers that it was necessary.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

20. That's a different thread. POTUS = leader of Democratic Party

[Lucinda]

34. Bernie has no interest in the Dem party and has exhibited no leadership skills

in congress. It is what it is.

[pangaia]

62. So what.

[Trajan]

21. What a bunch of hooey

Your time has come ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. I've noticed you posting some pretty ominous reponses ...

"Your time has come" ... "Your gone".

You're starting to concern me.

[Punkingal]

28. nah, he has no interest in the party, he only caucused with it his whole career.

[Ed Suspicious]

57. The party is there to be used. Bernie wants a better America. Bernie's vision

of his Democratic Party makes America better.

[Ed Suspicious]

58. The party, seemingly, has no interest in Bernie.

[redstateblues]

66. Bernie only added "Democratic" to Socialist when he was thinking about running for POTUS

he hasn't lifted a finger to help any down ballot Dems-Bernie is in it for Bernie

[snowy owl]

70. It is a label and running as third party could split votes. That what you want?

Because he would take a lot of votes from the "party" - besides, it is just a label. Look at issues.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Maybe you should step back and think about your question.

Why would she nor see your point of view? Because she has no progressive credibility?

[dchill]

3. She's not oblivious, she's been purchased.

[KelleyD]

31. Really?! Is that all ya got...just CT's. I trust Maddow more than you!

[dchill]

47. OK.

[Art_from_Ark]

4. She's getting $7 million a year

from a corporate "news" network that has fired several of its more progressive commentators.

[Vincardog]

33. It is very hard to recognize the thruth when your paycheck depends on not seeing it.

[CharlotteVale]

5. She's well paid to be oblivious to it.

[Broward]

6. It sounds like she's playing dumb. It's what she's getting paid for after all.

[CorporatistNation]

12. Well, My Thunder Has Been STOLEN By At Least Four Ahead of Me...Hillary Is BOUGHT and PAID FOR Shill

Well scjhooled on what she is supposed to say to persuade US what WE should think...

[kcjohn1]

7. Bernie was original member of the progressive caucus

That is what I consider the democratic party. All the rest are corporate sellouts and part of the new wave democrats who are really just the old GOP who have changed sides.

Sanders is leading revolution to take back the Democratic party from the Clinton invasion and infection of the party.

[pangaia]

13. Perfectly said.

[pangaia]

9. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $

[cantbeserious]

29. ^^^ This ^^^

eom

[840high]

60. you got it.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

69. yep - lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

...

[leveymg]

14. Money often buys learned incompetence among media types.

A lot of them start out as brilliant but discover that they can't do without a steady, fat paycheck. She'll go the way of Geraldo.

[JackRiddler]

15. Upton Sinclair explained this long ago.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

[Electric Monk]

23. +1

[silvershadow]

24. Yep. She took the money. nt

[JackRiddler]

42. Jeez, I wrote this 5 years ago!

Apparently Rachel Maddow now works the Pentagon channel.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8427312

[silvershadow]

73. Thank you for the comment and link. I'm just catching up to my posts

after my MIRT time-out.

[litlbilly]

17. 7 million a year can make you forget that stuff.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Because she makes 7 figures

and she is paid to miss those details. She is not dumb by any stretch. I betcha she would never invite Thomas Frank to the show to talk about those issues, for example.

[JackRiddler]

30. She's paid to know autonomously which details to miss, of course.

It takes a specialist who doesn't require constant monitoring. No one has to send Dr. Maddow a memo. (She's got a Ph.D., doesn't she?)

PS - Yes she does. From Oxford and the abstract seems impressive:

This thesis analyses HIV/AIDS, health care, and prison reform in British and American prisons and concludes that HIV/AIDS has engendered a novel form of prison activism. It develops a schematic history of prison reform, arguing that administrative, co-operative, and oppositional models of reform can be discerned according to relationships between reformers and prison officials. Modern alliances between prisoners and non-prisoner allies - disruptions to the beneficence dynamic that has usually held between prisoners and their outside supporters - have been intensely threatening to prison officials and have resulted in backlash. This thesis also argues that the HIV/AIDS movement has prioritised the experiences and needs of people living with HIV/AIDS, and has defined people living with HIV/AIDS and their communities as HIV/AIDS experts. To a limited extent, the HIV/AIDS movement has embraced prisoners within its constituency. Despite often radical, oppositional tactics, prison officials have not precluded HIV/AIDS activists' access to prisons and prisoners. Prisoners living with (or at risk for) HIV/AIDS have been both the subjects of outsiders' advocacy, and the agents of advocacy themselves. There has not been an overwhelming backlash against HIV/AIDS activism in prisons, and prison administrators have engaged co-operatively with HIV/AIDS activists to a greater extent than they have with other prisoners' advocates. This analysis also finds that prison health care reform has focused, with limited success, on integrating prisoners into the remit of free-world health authorities. It is shown that HIV/AIDS in prison activists have had greater success with this strategy than health care reformers because they have approached their task primarily as an HIV/AIDS issue, rather than as prison reform. HIV/AIDS in prison activism shows that when advocates treat prisoners as members of communities that supersede incarceration, they may also supersede some of the constraints of traditional prison politics.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

43. Her dissertation doesn't help in this thread. I'll start a thread about her ignorance of HIV in

prisons then you can repost it there.

[JackRiddler]

45. Interesting.

No, I find what she does unjustifiable. Out of curiousity I looked up whether her diss was online, and that's the abstract. "Sounds impressive" because it does. But I'll look for your thread when you start it, sounds interesting.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

48. Maybe I misunderstood your post. My bad.

I'm using my phone which doesn't display images. It makes sarcasm all the more difficult.

[tokenlib]

22. Rachel, Chris Hayes, Carville,..it's bought and paid for amnesia..

They aren't that stupid. They know the history as well as we do. They know this rift has been under the surface ever since the Clinton's brought the New Dem/Third Way/DLC into the party.

This is Hillary's moment. Unfortunately for Hillary, the New Deal progressives have been told before that they have to get in line because of the Supreme Court, or the GOP demon of the year. and after two decades...there is really a question as to whether they will do that. The revolt is for real..even if the media conglomerates find it in their interests to minimize it, discount it, ignore it and to outright boost Hillary. Bernie is for real, the revolt is for real.

And the best part for the country? It is happening in both parties at the same time. Both parties are shrinking because the masses are fed up with the status quo and want change. All bets are off. It's dangerous and it's an opportunity. As long as we don't choose the establishment candidate in an insurgent year.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

25. I got used to Rachel's lost objectivity, but Hayes is starting to make me sad. Didn't anticipate it.

I'm taking a break from him.

[Kalidurga]

32. They know the history as well as we do.

No kidding, many have explained that history to us and now they are dumbfounded that we understood the lessons.

[Califonz]

26. To paraphrase Upton Sinclair...

It is difficult to get a person to understand something, when his or her salary depends on not understanding it.

[Doctor_J]

39. Yep. Beat me to it

That's it exactly

[revbones]

27. Answer: Millions of dollars and a new social circle.

She's in the bubble.

[BernieforPres2016]

36. Whose bread I eat, his song I sing nt

[KelleyD]

38. Wow...you all are just something else.

I can't stand the change in Democratic Underground becoming a Alex Jones CT site. Step back and listen to yourselves. I know some of you are passionately following Bernie, but get a grip. You are sounding as if a Women who has dedicated her life for liberal causes is the Devil reincarnate. And don't retort with you "but she did this" stuff. You all are getting into the crowd mentality of hate.

[tokenlib]

46. Simply pointing out the New Dem/Third Way/DLC Clinton linkage is not hate...

Believe me, the New Dem/Third Way/ formerly Democrats for the Leisure Class may tolerate liberal social views, but on economic issues they are far from liberal and they are Hillary's friends and backers. They advocate entitlement reform, free trade and all the positions Hillary will return to after the primaries IF she wins the nomination.

[KelleyD]

52. And you know this for sure!?!

Have you followed the history of why Bill Clinton went for the "Triangulation" route. Because we could not win the White House...Duh! We had been beaten for 12 years by the Repubs and maybe were too ideological "too pure". We won back the White house (with a Repub Congress) but proved to the US that our polices could bring us out of Debt. Which BTW has been a pattern in the last few years that the Repubs put us in debt and the Dems come to the rescue and bring us back. No party can have it their way on all things. That is what Democracy is all about...Compromise. Do we want to be the Party of Obstruction that the Repubs have been the last 8 years or can we be the better party of leading our country out of the deadlock and work for the people.

[840high]

64. Seems you drank a lot

of Kool-Aid.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

67. lol Where's the CT? You guys are so blinded by your loyalty to Hillary, you can't see the demise of

the Party. You refute all evidence. You take no responsibility for it. Your strategy, blame and shame others. You have a candidate who is being forced by an unknown outsider to move to the left. You guys are blind, supporting the most divisive figure in the history of the Party, and your only solution: ridicule, blame, and shame. Alienating others is a loser but obviously, your only resolve. As I said elsewhere tonight, the disconnect between "We've been in charge of the Party since 1992" and "Half of the Party is in complete revolt" is incredible.

Keep it up! You're really helping our cause.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

40. I asked her directly. Let's see if I get blocked.

[snowy owl]

41. Too easy on Rachel. She sold out.

[Skwmom]

49. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[yourpaljoey]

50. I never could stand her

She avoids important issues and obsesses over nonsense.
Her 'talk me down' makes me want to vomit.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

54. I thought everyone enjoyed her 20 minute "Purple Drank" set ups to her lead story

[yourpaljoey]

55. I was not a fan of the purple drank :)

"Purple drank" is funny expression... me likey.

[840high]

59. Maybe she's not so

brilliant.

[Skwmom]

61. She doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed. n/t

[840high]

65. The way she presents a story

with her constant repetition used to put me to sleep. I happily dropped cable.

[snowy owl]

68. x10 Thanks for saying it. I thought it just me!

I'm thinking about going back to basic. The only reason I did the level I have was for MSNBC. But I'm long past watching them regularly.

[Little_Wing]

63. Cha-ching!

The cash register.... such a seductress.

Principles? Bah!

[mythology]

71. Perhaps the simplest explanation is the best as it usually is

She is very smart and realizes that those connections that you think are so obvious and so concrete, really aren't.

For example, a number of economists don't find that the so-called repeal of Glass-Steagall had an appreciable impact on the 2007 banking crisis as the repeal was only for a small part of the act and the firms that failed weren't granted new less-regulated power by the partial repeal of Glass-Steagall.

Likewise the case against free trade isn't nearly as cut and dried as some wish to pretend it is. Plant closing related job losses didn't increase after NAFTA. The decline in manufacturing jobs coincides with increases in automation and worker productivity that have nothing to do with NAFTA. To pretend that the issue is black and white is simplistic.

[Skwmom]

72. A smart person would understand the damage done by NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagall. n/t