WHERE was Bernie while Clinton was fighting for $15 Hour Min Wage??

[GreatGazoo]

She has been for $15 an hour since 11AM yesterday and look how fast she got results!



And Where has Sanders been on this issue? Like why was he standing in the rain in 2015 with these underpaid people?



seriously...

Fight for $15 is arguably the greatest union victory in decades, perhaps even the greatest victory of the progressive movement in recent history. One of those victories came eight months ago, when the Democratic Party adopted a $15/hour minimum wage in the official party platform, weeks after Bernie Sanders introduced legislation in Congress.

By contrast, Hillary Clinton is the only prominent Democrat who refused to endorse $15/hour. Bernie Sanders won’t remind people of this, so I will: He was in the streets with fast-food workers every time. There’s photos of him marching with workers in the pouring fucking rain, and he’s the one who pushed Democrats to adopt it. Yet, Hillary Clinton will be on the stage

http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-15-hour-minimum-wage/

[geek tragedy]

1. Clinton supported the NY legislation when it was announced.

Those of us in New York follow this sort of thing.

[Xipe Totec]

8. In other words, since the dinner bell rang. nt

[geek tragedy]

9. She supported it when it was first announced in summer 2015

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/hillary-clinton-wants-fast-food-workers-make-more-money

Upstate NY and NYC have radically different costs if living so the minimum wage should be different.

[Xipe Totec]

11. By the time legislation is announced, the battle is over. nt

[geek tragedy]

12. LMAO. Only someone who knows nothing of how Albany works

or how any legislature works would write something like that.

[Xipe Totec]

20. Albany must be some strange corner of the universe where causality doesn't work

Because the fight for $15/hour wages has been going on for years, but the legislation was introduced just last year.

So a lot of the hard work to get attention for this issue happened in order for the bill to even be introduced for consideration.

No support, no bill.

[geek tragedy]

21. So you think it's easy peasy to pass legislation

in the NY state legislature?

Figures.

[frylock]

37. So what role did Hillary play in support of the Fight for $15?

[greiner3]

39. She invented money

[Fantastic Anarchist]

62. Getting ready to take credit, of course.

[rhett o rick]

42. You are tap dancing around the point. She wasn't for $15 per hour in 2014 or early 2015.

Only when it looked like NY was going to pass it did she jump aboard. And she still wants to hold down wages to $12 per hour in the rest of the country. I really didn't hear that she was happy when Seattle raised the min wage.

[CentralCoaster]

49. And she's still against a nationwide $15 wage. This is pretty simple. Some choose to be ignorant.

It's easy to support a limited $15 wage in NY state the moment the governor does.

It's another matter altogether to come out for a national minimum, as Bernie does.

This cost of living in NY is bullshit-- NY and SF cities, other cities, probably need a $20 minimum but that's a different topic.

The truth is that Clinton is for $12. Period.

[rhett o rick]

50. I doubt that she fights very hard for $12. nm

[Fantastic Anarchist]

63. Even pseudo support for minimum wage ...

... is a moot point if you also support the TPP. One cannot support both. Clinton speaks with a major split in her tongue.

[Dragonfli]

51. She would have grabbed a photo of there as well, if she was as close to Seattle's mayor as

she is with CuDino. Believe me when I conflate his name with Dino, he wanted to let the Republicans retain control of thr NYS legislature.

http://metcouncilonhousing.org/news_and_issues/tenant_newspaper/2012/December/how_andrew_cuomo_helped_the_republicans_keep_control_of_the_state
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/nyregion/republicans-outnumbered-keep-power-in-new-york-state.html

[Armstead]

15. Gentrification spreads the cost of living

Try to buy a house or find an affordable rental in the Hudson Valley for example. All those folks from the Big City have driven up the cost of living with their expensive vacation homes and expensive culinary tastes.

[geek tragedy]

22. You're thinking of the opposite-white flight.

Gentrification is affluent people moving back into urban centers.

How much house can $700,000 buy in the Hudson valley? In Manhattan and NW Brooklyn that gets you a 1br apartment.

[azmom]

46. Even $15 is too low then. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

56. LOL! Good one!

And so true!

She's repeatedly said $12. $12, $12, $12.

She's fooling no one.

She can ride on this symbolic media opportunity as much as she wants.

We all see her antics for what they are--dishonest and disingenuous. More game playing from Clinton.

One more reason that the majority of US citizens believe she is dishonest.

[bvf]

10. She also took sniper fire in Bosnia.

You probably heard that up your way as well, following things as you do.

[Doctor_J]

65. No one jumps on a bandwagon like Mrs. Clinton. Just what I want in a president.

[John Poet]

71. That's nice for New York-- what about the REST of US?!

The rest of us can eat cake, says Queen Hillary.

[Vinca]

2. LOL - I clicked on the post to yell at you.

I should have known better.

[ebayfool]

58. I know, right? Kept ignoring it cuz I was sure it was another ...

load of Clinton revisionism and finally just had to click. Boy howdy, was I surprised!

[yourpaljoey]

3. Bernie was writing the TPP, cheering for more H1B visas, and destroying Unions, of course!

muhahahahahahaha

[disillusioned73]

4. I think she just likes to round...

by 5's??...

[link:http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-wants-return-real-minimum/|

Typical opportunist..

[Snarkoleptic]

5. Ha! Well done.

[Karmadillo]

6. She was taking on snipers in Bosnia so folks like Bernie could have the freedom

to wander the streets with fast-food workers. Without that freedom, a $15 minimum wage would be impossible.

[BernieforPres2016]

13. We need her on that wall

"Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

[Karmadillo]

16. +1

[Dragonfli]

34. I agree, especially with what has been referred to by her surrogates as a "muscular" foreign policy

(I can see here on that wall in my mind just like that)

[BernieforPres2016]

35. I gather you saw the email instructions her weasel Phillippe Reines sent to the press

For those who aren't familiar with it, Reines gave out "scoops" to friendly reporters who would basically write the story he laid out for them, including describing Hillary's policy proposal as "muscular".

http://gawker.com/this-is-how-hillary-clinton-gets-the-coverage-she-wants-1758019058

[Dragonfli]

36. No, I did not see the propaganda memo, only the fruits of it as it was dutifully carried out

Thanks for the link!

[BernieforPres2016]

43. That's amazing that "muscular" stuck with you

I guess Reines knows what he's doing!

[Dragonfli]

47. He's not really that amazing, it only stuck with me because I saw it repeated by so many sources

But mostly because I thought it was a really funny term to use, I mean I literally laughed out loud when I heard the phrase.

Now, because it appeared to follow the propaganda theme of dispersing funny (to me, but not to our democracy) memes to be repeated as often as possible, I actually thought it was Brock's work directly from his desk.

[roguevalley]

59. muscular = war all the time against brown people

[Dragonfli]

60. Her way of "taking care of women and children" involves red mist and cluster bombs, not assistance

In fact she proudly helped push for decreasing assistance to woman and children by eliminating welfare as we know it, and incarcerating as many brown and darker people here at home as possible.

She wants to be our champion? LOL

The champion of war profiteers and Wall St. perhaps.

[pacalo]

54. I suspected as much.

Thanks for posting. This should be an OP so that it won't be missed.

[BernieforPres2016]

55. I'll make on OP with it on the GD:P board nt

[Fantastic Anarchist]

66. Wow, that was interesting, to say the least.

Should be its own thread.

[Land of Enchantment]

53. O.M.G. freaking hilarous! nt

[azmom]

48. +1000000

[Fantastic Anarchist]

64. Love that movie.

[Xipe Totec]

7. Oh, Hillary, I love you for your artificial intelligence and your sincerity simulator nt

[corkhead]

18. The only thing missing is a Tay like twitter meltdown

[rachacha]

14. Perfect! K&R

[Orsino]

17. Heh. n/t

[corkhead]

19. Is that Cuomo next to her in the first pic? Add DWS and Rahm

and it would be truly worthy and evidence that the big tent is actually too big.

[GreatGazoo]

23. "I'm with Her" is something people say when they cut in line. It fits.

[pdsimdars]

30. P E R F E C T !!!

[AzDar]

24. K & R

[JBoy]

26. There's a term for this - "Parade of the Uninvolved"

It's that public celebration of the completion of a significant project where bigwigs who really had nothing to do with it pat each other on the back, while those who worked their asses off aren't even invited.

[GreatGazoo]

74. Someone's quote: "A politician is someone who sees a parade and jumps in front of it"

[imagine2015]

27. I thought Hillary was fighting for a $225,000 speaking fee!

[beedle]

40. that's a

$625 per second minimum wage .... $625 is over a weeks work for a NY City minimum wage worker (in 2019 when they actually become part of the elite working poor.)

[Buddyblazon]

28. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HILLARY'S FIGHT FOR A $15 MIN WAGE!!

Hillary's been fighting the good fight since the days she grew up as a young jewish man in Brooklyn. HOW DARE YOU!!!!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

68. DUZY!!!!

Thread killer!

/thread.

[davsand]

29. You win!!!

Cracked me up!!!




Laura

[snowy owl]

31. Another photo op offered by that "progressive" governor Cuomo - not. Establishment again.

[Uncle Joe]

32. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, GreatGazoo.

[corbettkroehler]

33. Come On, Hillary Has Fought For $15

[beedle]

38. WAIT!!! NOT SO FAST!!!

and I mean that literally.

She's not for $15/hr this year .. or next year ... or the year after ... but the following year, okay, assuming you live in NY City and work for the proper company ... otherwise you're already one of those 'elite' money bags.

For workers in New York City employed by businesses with at least 11 employees, the minimum wage would rise to $11 at the end of 2016, then another $2 each of the next two years. For employees of smaller companies in the city, the minimum wage would rise to $10.50 by the end of the year, then another $1.50 each year for three years.

For workers elsewhere in the state, the increase would be slower.

[beedle]

41. Wait, I just realized ...

... $11 an hour? That's not even the minimum wage she says she supports.

[rhett o rick]

44. Wait again. She supports a $12 min wage to start negotiations with the Republicons. She may be

forced (wink, wink) to compromise at $10.10. What the hell is so magical about $10.10?

[factfinder_77]

45. 2007 - Hillary Clinton Statement on Legislation to Raise the Minimum Wage

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=93079

With stagnant wages and skyrocketing costs for healthcare, energy and college, working families in America need a break. That is why yesterday I introduced legislation to raise the minimum wage to $9.50 by 2011, and link the minimum wage to Congressional pay raises after that. The Standing with Minimum Wage Earners Act of 2007 is the first bill ever to call for a $9.50 minimum wage.
I was proud to work earlier this year with Senator Kennedy and other Democratic leaders to enact the first minimum wage increase in ten years. By lifting the minimum wage to $7.25, that effort will give 257,000 Iowans - 18% of all workers - a raise, and help another 94,000 children who live with these workers who will benefit from increased household income.

[CentralCoaster]

52. Ah, good. Hillary Clinton: Lift minimum wage to $9.50. There it is, there!

And yet she refuses to support the $15/hour goal set by the good Senator Sanders.

[PeoViejo]

57. What happened in Honduras when the President raised the Minimum Wage?

Did Hillary support that too?

Jus' askin'

[snot]

61. Heil Hillary.

I think she should avoid that pose (OP photo).

[brewens]

67. I suppose I'm for the $15 minimum. I'm a little luke warm on that though. I would have though

that much of a bump was going too far not too many years ago. But it's harder now than ever for even the best minimum wage workers to find a better paying job. I'd tell anyone that a kid that stuck with some fast food job and worked his way up a little (still not a lot more than minimum wage no doubt) would be a great hire for a better job.

I'd felt forever that the minimum should have kept up with inflation all along. I'd probably be making more today if it had. I'll probably see a bump myself because the minimum went up.

My idea for years was that the minimum for part-time workers should have been a buck an hour more than for full-time. What I hated the most were all the places that screwed people over by keeping them just under qualifying for benefits by only working them like 29 hours a week. One grocery store chain was notorious for that.

[Bernblu]

69. Zephyr Teachout and Bernie deserve the credit

Zephyr for putting a scare into Cuomo in primary in 2014. And Bernie for showing Cuomo that this is a powerful issue he can use to burnish his progressive credentials if he wants to run for President in 2020.
Believe or not Cuomo will run as a progressive in 2020 (should Hillary lose) and attempt to co-opt Bernie's movement.

[jfern]

70. BTW, it's only $12.50 upstate

[reformist2]

72. She's one of the most ridiculously shameless politicians I have ever seen.

The reason she can lie so often with a straight face, is because she wants the prize so bad. You can see the determination in her eyes.

[m-lekktor]

73. K + R! I love this thread!