Would love to hear from New Yorkers

[Red Oak]

Given that Hillary was a Senator from New York through expedient political triangulation, she also spent her formative years in Illinois, Massachusetts and Arkansas.

Do the people of New York consider her one of their own or is she considered a carpetbagger?



From Websters Dictionary:

Carpetbagger - b. a political candidate who runs for office in a place where he or she has lived only for a short time

[DanTex]

1. She's a New Yorker. A lot of us are "carpetbaggers". People from all over the

country and all over the world live in New York. We're not big on provincialism.

[catnhatnh]

2. Have you ever been...

...to the Bronx, Tex?

[TMontoya]

3. So?

The bronx won't help Bernie.

[catnhatnh]

4. Are you so fucking clueless

you believe Tex spells your name? And we capitalize place names...

[TMontoya]

7. Thats nice

Now care to answer where else he draws support? Certainly not "m"anhatten.

[catnhatnh]

15. You don't mention what state you live in...

...or how much personal knowledge you have of New York. I was born and raised within 100 miles of NYC and have traveled some upstate. Wall Street ties have little allure for most democrats.

[MFM008]

51. we had better get back to hating republicans

and soon, before we lose because everyone's SO right.

[daleanime]

59. Yeahup.....

[KMOD]

23. Can you calm down?

Seriously. Why are you being so freaking rude?

[dchill]

29. Go read some of your own posts.

Talk about rude.

[KMOD]

34. Are you here for discussion, or do you just like to complain

and argue?

[dchill]

37. Common sense and truth.

Not necessarily in that order.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

45. Nope. The GLOVES ARE OFF, remember?

And yeah, I know you weren't addressing me. I answered anyway. What you're responding to is about to look like Sunday School class. She wanted the gloves off. I can do that. My candidate can do that. My fellow supporters can do that. Engage.

[Sheepshank]

100. nasty name calling...but expected from the so thinned skinned. It's how they lash out n/t

[DanTex]

11. Did you know that Yankee Stadium is in the Bronx?

[BklnDem75]

67. I'm a Bronx resident. Hillary has my support...

I don't know anyone in my circle who isn't voting for her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. My old man was born in a six floor walk up near Mosholu Parkway.

[KMOD]

8. +++++

It's amazing how ignorant people are about New York.

[Nite Owl]

5. You mean the Senator

Who voted for the war in Iraq?
Anecdotically: there is a total absence of Hillary signs or bumper stickers
Here the same thing about her from people, "She lies about everything"
We were shopping for insurance and the agent asked us who we were voting for and
we said Bernie. She was too and went on to tell us that her cousin was in Bengazi and there calls for help were ignored.
Not a single person is actually admitting that they will vote for her.

Anecdotal but that's the news from my slice of NY.

[KMOD]

12. Where in New York are you?

I'd like to know your slice.

[Nite Owl]

17. Upstate

North of Albany

[KMOD]

31. I guess we're neighbors,

within a certain mileage.

[MisterP]

94. most primary votes for her are "she's the one ahead against the Pub, right?"

that's where we have to hit her on--she's 10-15 points behind, and even against Trump he'd go RINO and rip her interventionism, globalism, and neglect for labor

[jfern]

6. New York isn't Hillary's personal fiefdom

[Red Oak]

10. She comes across as feeling that way, thus the OP.

Awesome State New York and awesome city New York City.

From blueberry pies around the finger lakes to dinner and a broadway play.

What a great place!

[pangaia]

78. Not bad wine either, up here.. Not the best, for sue, but....

[Red Oak]

80. You have a great State

Very diverse in people, geography, heck, everything!

A truly great part of America.

Now I'll have to hunt for some of that wine...

[pangaia]

82. Dr Konstantine Frank Reisling, for one.

[Red Oak]

84. Thanks!

[Bonobo]

9. Carpetbagger. nt

[KMOD]

18. You're in Japan, right?

Are you a Japan carpet bagger?

I thought you said you were originally from New York. There are not carpet baggers in New York.

Diversity is welcome, and enjoyed in New York City.

[Bonobo]

38. Yup, and I am not a carpet bagger because I am not running for office.

A carpet bagger is someone that basically cynically moves to another state in order to take advantage of the voting patterns of a particular district in such a way as to ensure a victory and establish some political credentials.

That is precisely what Hillary did, I am afraid.

[yardwork]

65. Actually, the term carpet bagger has a very specific historical meaning.

It's being used inaccurately throughout this thread.

[Red Oak]

69. It has two specific meanings. Look it up.

The only issue may be one of tense.

[CajunBlazer]

111. Oh. you mean the way that Bernie did when he moved to Vermont?

[dr60omg]

105. What?

Yes, there are it is a re-signifying

[Voice for Peace]

13. All the New Yorkers I know, native born

are voting for Bernie. Don't trust Clintons.
Jewish dem-socialist-activists going way back.

[KMOD]

20. How many people do you know?

Just out of curiosity.

[Voice for Peace]

48. Many gazillions

Seriously.

[dr60omg]

106. If someone doesn't get what you are saying they are not from NY and not Jewish and are ahistorical

If someone does not understand what it means to be a New Yorker ... don't even try

[geek tragedy]

14. Yes, she's lived here for 16 years and did a great job for the

state as a Senator, particularly on 9/11 aid.

Not the answer you were looking for?

[Red Oak]

16. There is no answer. I am interested in seeing if New Yorkers think she is a carpetbagger.

[geek tragedy]

19. She won re-election in 2006 with 67% of the vote.

She beat Obama here by 17%.

Carpetbagger is a non-issue.

She has spent a lot more of her adult life here than Bernie Sanders did.

She also moved here--he moved away.

[Red Oak]

21. So would you say you feel this way or most New Yorkers feel this way?

[geek tragedy]

25. We know Hillary as our former Senator.

Fron their opinions diverge ..,

Bernie Sanders is a stranger here. No relationship to this city and its people.

[Red Oak]

27. Is Bernie seen as a stranger there by most?

[geek tragedy]

30. he's obviously known as a presidential candidate.

But he's a complete stranger here. Nobody knew who he was this time last year.

He left in 1968.

[roguevalley]

41. No one knows him. I doubt that.

[TMontoya]

22. Its funny

All of a sudden people are trying paint Sanders as a "Nyer" when he hasn't lived there in over 30 years or more. I suspect NY will not take kindly to someone being a fake NYer.

[geek tragedy]

26. He can have his nostalgia. nt

[TMontoya]

28. Right

We'll take the votes and delegates.

[roguevalley]

42. He was born and raised there and only lived anywhere else in Vermont. She was born in Illinois,

lived in Arkansas, Washington DC most of her adult life and now New York. But she's the better New Yorker. Wow.

[Madam Mossfern]

92. I was born in Brooklyn, family moved to Queens when I was young,

moved to Manhattan when I was a young adult - 20 years old, taught in the South Bronx in 1974. Moved to Essex County NJ when I was 31 so my kid could play in a yard. I found that it was a quicker trip to mid-town from my NJ home than when I lived in Queens. Owned property in Brooklyn until a year ago. So, yes I consider myself a New Yorker and yes.

Hillary is a carpetbagger.

[dr60omg]

107. YUP

I cannot disagree with you at all

[democrattotheend]

33. I am a New York resident, although I moved here after she became SOS

While I support Bernie, I feel that she did a pretty good job for NY while she was senator, from what people have told me and from what I remember reading. But I don't know that people view her as their own, exactly.

[geek tragedy]

39. Lots of people move here from other places.

She's not Barbra or anything like that of course.

[JonathanRackham]

63. Wrong.

Schumer and Guilanni were the force that got that job done. Hillary showed up for the photo ops.

[DLnyc]

24. I'm a New Yorker for the last 40 some years. Hillary is not.

She parachuted in, got a free pass to the Senate from Chuck Schumer which was obviously just a platform from which to launch her (2008) campaign for president. She does have a lot of ties here to Wall Street banksters and to various party insiders (including our confused mayor), but to regular people? Whether or not they will vote for her, I don't think most ordinary people here think of her as a New Yorker, at all! I would say the only time she is around is for her fancy fundraisers.

[dchill]

36. Winner!

[dr60omg]

109. YUP

I agree

[snowy owl]

32. I expect Black vote to make real difference for Clinton.

CNN reported earlier that Black vote in one of three counties that went for Clinton did it based on Black vote. I wish Bernie had more time to rally black surrogates to get his message out. Love Michelle Alexander! She told it real.

[islandmkl]

35. here are some numbers that New Yorkers might consider when evaluating the candidates:

191 / 1419

New York combat deaths / wounded Operation Iraqi Freedom...

decisions have consequences...

[DanTex]

43. 1,000 New York gun deaths per year. But we should stop yelling about that...

[TMontoya]

44. Im sure

Sanders support of the gun lobby will do wonders in NY.

[Voice for Peace]

49. Yes! no doubt New Yorkers are dumb enough to believe Bernie is responsible for crime in NY.

She' ll EASILY fool those uninformed voters, no doubt.

Those attack points are so compelling, convincing, upsetting, disturbing!!

[JonathanRackham]

62. The crime is in NYC. Rest of the state is fine.

Once upon a time we had jobs too.

[Voice for Peace]

68. Bernie outsourced the NYC jobs to Vermont?

So confusing

[islandmkl]

54. you wouldn't be trying to do a spoiled apples versus spoiled oranges comparison there...

would you?

Conflation is a tired technique...sometimes effective, I'll admit...but not here...

[november3rd]

40. The View From 108th & Broadway

This used to be Rangel's district but they redrew it to Nadler in 2010.
Clinton moved to Chappaqua from DC, a high profile politician gaining a lot of sympathy after the Monica and Impeachment chapters of her husband's final years.
When Hill was in office she was eloquent and had her finger on the pulse of the state, especially as far as the 9/11, Afghan/Iraq/terror retaliation syndrome.
She paid lip service to the Homeland Security problem, but supported FISA surveillance and data collection by the NSA.
She tried to bring manufacturing to the state, but a lot of it was weapons: Lockheed, Northrup, &c.
Everything she said or did was successful in keeping her on a path to her 2008 run.
She's a great speaker, but she hangs out with too many millionaires for my taste.
One thing's for sure: her career comes first and the issues come second.

[Voice for Peace]

50. My view of her at that time, while I was living in DC,

up close to the world of greed cheat deceit hypocrisy lobbyists lawyers politicians egomaniacs. She was pure one pointed ambition for the white house and was imo wormy, sleazy, pretentious. The Clintons have consistently surprised & disappointed. I'm however beginning to admire them in a new way, but more in the bonnie & clyde vein than as respectable citizens. A couple of clever kids rise out of the boonies and pull off the longest running most successful american hustle in history. A great movie one day no doubt.

[JonathanRackham]

46. I was leaving NY the year she ran for senate.

Even voted for her. The jobs she promised never came. Glad I never looked back. NY is a mess thanks to political corruption. She was just another wheel in that party machine.

Bernie is the accidental revolutionary. He's long overdue. I can see why Hillary supporters are so afraid of her. All my cousins and former in laws are 100% behind him. My former union brothers and sisters are bucking the union endorsements and voting Bernie.

Bernie is as important to older Dems as he is the youth vote.

Go Bernie.

[TMontoya]

47. He's not looking good in NY

Demographics, closed primary and of course the Polls point a route by Clinton. She even has the support of every major union in NY.

[JonathanRackham]

60. Union management sucks up to her.

They do it to cover their asses and posture for favors after the election. The rank and file dues payers don't give a rats ass about her. Some of them thar blue collar union people are educated and some even got college diplomas. She bullshited us once.

Go Bernie.

[JackInGreen]

52. ...jack?

Calico Jack?

Glad you're with us Johnny, wouldn't want to see you sunk again. -E.T

[JonathanRackham]

61. Nope.

[leftynyc]

53. She's a New Yorker now

So many have come from elsewhere. We don't stand on ceremony that you have to have been born here or lived here your entire life. In fact, it's those that LEAVE New York we're suspicious of.

[Depaysement]

55. Total nonsense nt

[leftynyc]

56. I've lived here my entire life

How about you?

[Depaysement]

58. Almost all of it

And I've probably been to every NYC neighborhood and most towns in the State. How about you?

[Depaysement]

57. She's another rich celebrity who lives here

We don't get excited over them in NYC.

Her advantage is the same as everywhere else:most Dem pols support her and most of their staffers are probably voting Bernie.

[Lone_Wolf]

64. This native NYer thinks she's a carpetbagger

n/t

[JonathanRackham]

70. Ditto from a NY in exile.

[BklnDem75]

66. A 16 year resident doesn't get that label. This isn't 1998...

New York is considered her territory, not his.

[JonathanRackham]

71. It's a mailing address, nothing else

[JackRiddler]

73. Correct. It's an accessory, an item to exploit on her way...

Clinton is not a transplant from another state or an immigrant. She's a business interest who moved in for the New York branding because it profits her.

[JonathanRackham]

97. Like people who pad their resume?

[JackRiddler]

98. Worse.

That's just a line in a resume.

This is exploiting the people of New York for political gain.

[JonathanRackham]

99. I will be voting democrat in November.

I can understand why some people are turned off by the political system.

[BklnDem75]

75. As with any other congressperson who works in DC...

It still doesn't make her a carpetbagger. She calls New York home. Not Arkansas, not Illinois.

[JonathanRackham]

91. Maybe the don't want her either.

Hot potato.

[BklnDem75]

93. Maybe that's your opinion...

Since she does well in closed, diverse primaries, it's safe to say Democrats want her.

[JonathanRackham]

96. Even the Titanic had a navigator.

[ViseGrip]

104. How often was she 'home' in NY? She was traveling around the world for State Dept.

this was just a calculating move, like all other moves she makes.

it's all about that. not oh i like ny so i want to make it my home....right. it's the power center, like the blood running through her veins.

[liberal_at_heart]

108. That's the problem. They live in their DC bubble taking lobbyists money and either have no

idea what their constituents want or don't care what their constituents want.

[JackRiddler]

74. "A 16 year resident" who doesn't live here.

Clinton is not a transplant or an immigrant. She is a business interest who came here to exploit New York as a branding measure. She doesn't give a fuck about us.

[JackRiddler]

72. Carpetbagger who doesn't give a shit about New York.

Lived here for six, eight years to launch her presidential career.

Total faker.

Will lose.

[baldguy]

76. Clinton will win New York.

She will win in NYC, she will win Upstate, she will win in Central NY, and she will win in WNY.

[Red Oak]

77. Is she considered a carpetbagger?

Given she spent very little time there?

While she was Senator, she was mostly in Washington D.C. one would think.

I'm guessing she spent less of her life in New York than anywhere else.

[BklnDem75]

79. 'I'm guessing' Case closed

You simply want to attach that label on her.

[Red Oak]

83. I was being polite - no guessing

I should have said:

It is obvious that she spent less time living in New York that anywhere else in her life.

She lived in Illinois, Arkansas and, after being given a Senatorship by the establishment, Washington D.C.

Right now she lives in lily white Chappaqua, NY. A place that makes Vermont look diverse.

[baldguy]

81. Is Sanders?

He's not from Vermont, he spends so little time there. And as a Senator he spends most of his time in Washington DC, one would think.

[Red Oak]

88. Hillary fits the actual definition of carpetbagger. Bernie does not.

How would you fit Bernie into that definition?

[baldguy]

89. Yes he does. Moved to VT in '68; ran for frickin' Governor in '72.

And isn't it interesting that VT's other Senator, Patrick Leahy, has endorsed Hillary Clinton.

Really, the old saying is appropriate: Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The Bernie people seem to have a lot of stones.

[Red Oak]

90. Really?

From Websters online:

Carpetbagger - a political candidate who runs for office in a place where he or she has lived only for a short time

So he lives there four years and runs for office.

How long did Hillary live in New York before Schumer gave her the Senate seat?

[dinkytron]

86. NY. That big tough town w/a soft underbelly is a sucker for an underdog story, whether its about

a lotto winner, a subway rat that drags a pizza slice down stairs or a frumpy old man on a quixotic journey to become president. Never forget the battle cry of the 73' Mets: YA GOTTA BELIEVE!!!! (They made it to the World Series only to get beaten by the Oakland A's). I just don't see New Yorkers missing out on a chance to be part of the story.

But NYC is one thing. Long Island and upstate are different beasts. I think Hillary hold her own in these areas.

I agree with a previous post that no one gives a darn about carpetbagging. If you ever notice, the most passionate New Yorkers are those who came from elsewhere and made the city their own. That said, I believe it really comes down to authenticity. And I think Bernie wins hands down in this department.


FYI, Willie Mays, the "Say Hey" kid was in outfield for the 73 Mets!

[closeupready]

87. I remember reading years ago, the years necessary was something like 2

in order to live somewhere and call yourself a local ('New Yorker', 'San Franciscan', 'Atlantan', etc.), in the popular imagination.

So yes, she's a New Yorker - not a native one, but then as DanTex said, most of us probably aren't natives here either.

Doesn't matter - she won the Senate seat ONLY because of Bill. She seems like a nice person, but not a very good Democrat, and incompetent and ineffective when given the responsibility to operate the levers of power.

[hrmjustin]

101. We welcome people here in NY no matter what the keyboard warriors on this board say.

They know nothing of this state. Hillary will win.

[dr60omg]

102. Don't forget Pennsylvania she is from there too

[RedCappedBandit]

103. Native New Yorker. She moved here for political expediency.

She isn't a New Yorker.

[basselope]

113. My parents consider her a carpetbagger.

They were born and raised in the Bronx.

Both plan on voting for Bernie in the primary and plan to sit out the election if Hillary is the candidate.

My Mom voted for her as Senator the first time, but after she voted for the Iraq war, she wrote her off forever.