2016 Postmortem
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(10,122 posts)RepubliCON-Watch
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|CaliforniaPeggy
(149,704 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Whoever found this for Bernie's campaign is a genius!
senz
(11,945 posts)Snotcicles
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|november3rd
(1,113 posts)Go Ahead, old man, show us how it's done!
Bernie's grassroots movement is growing daily, and his opponent's astroturf movement is shriveling at the same time.
I was hoping for a 5+ point spread in WI, but this is true BIG MO! None of the polls had this right, either.
Big mistake they're making now ... forgetting NY is Sanders's home state, not Clinton's!
It's ain't a caucus, or an open primary, but the word on the street is Bernie Sanders for President.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)GO NEW YORKERS! YOU KNOW YOU LOVE HIM! AND HE DIDN'T START HIS LIFE IN NEW YORK IN CHAPPAQUA!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Someone needs to kick the leser thread.
G_j
(40,371 posts)Happy to see it move onward!
Joob
(1,065 posts)Well, I guess we do donate to you!!!! But we're not corporations!!!!
Actually this was really poorly worded GO BERNIE!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)to the tune of the BEEEEEEERRRN, oh yeah....
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)AND MANY THANKS TO WISCONSIN VOTERS AND ACTIVISTS!
We did it, again!
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Posted earlier today.
Click through. It's worth it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)One can just imagine the impact on people who were there.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)That's either a huge fuckload of Bernie Bros, or -as I suspect- it is a stupid, insulting term meant to marginilize people -particularly progressives- for their voting choice.
The later
senz
(11,945 posts)Change has come
(2,372 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....a group of 8 women all over the age of 55, all Bernie supporters.
#BoomersForBernie
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)#Bernmentum
It's silly but may catch on. Anyway, he has it!!
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)We got a wonderful 12 pt victory today in Wisconsin, continuing a long string of amazing victories, and yet some feel gloomy. Why?
I felt it myself, earlier today. And when I saw this thread, I thought, 'You're right! Why aren't I celebrating? What's wrong?'
I thought, partly it was the shits posting their shit in LBN and crowding out the victory announcements and a whole lot of other stuff that will favor Sanders (for instance, the vid of his early prophecy of the Panama banking scandal, with Clinton, of course, having voted FOR the "free trade for the rich" agreement that enabled all that tax evasion). And the mean and nasty nature of some of it-- practically accusing Sanders of shooting kindergarteners. Jeez.
There was also that we now EXPECT Sanders to win with 70+% of the vote!. I mean, the previous primaries were mind-blowing. We maybe expected more mind-blowingness this time, but it was 'only' a 12% margin!!!
Thirdly: This has been a long, long, long, hard hike up a very high mountain from the beginning. It was never easy. What we had embarked on looked well nigh impossible in, say, January. All I hoped for, at that point, and why I supported Sanders, was to get these vitally important issues into the public discussion.
Then he started winning. A blowout in New Hampshire. And a frigging TIE in Iowa! Holy Toledo, this is REAL! This fervently desired revolution is happening!
But now we have to face the hardest part of all--the next phase, in which Clinton feels her coronation to be truly in jeopardy, and in which the moneyed powers and war profiteers who are counting on her get the heebeejeebies at the thought of a New Deal presidency and double down on the dirtiest campaign we are ever likely to see (and that includes Bush-Rove, who weren't satisfied with outright theft of two elections but threw in some 'swift-boating' for sauce).
The bots here have given us a taste of how bad the next phase is going to be.
We need to acknowledge this--how difficult and nearly impossible this campaign has been from the beginning--how wonderful it has been to see it succeed thus far--and how high that mountain peak still is, that we all must climb. No one is going to hand us a revolution. We have to fight for it. We will have to fight for it every step of the way, AND THEN, we will have to fight for it every day during a Sanders administration, if we succeed at the nearly impossible.
We have much to be grateful for that Bernie Sanders is leading this struggle, and that his wife, Jane, is also deeply engaged in it. What amazing people they are, to do this for us, and to do it so well! And think of what a target they are now, as leaders of a movement to upend the corrupt power structure in Washington DC and across the country! Power of the kind that Sanders and we are challenging will not bow out easily. And its aim is likely to crush "we the people" once and for all.
It is inevitable that we will feel down at times during such an exhilarating event as the re-awakening of American democracy. This has been the case in every peoples movement in modern history. It's never easy. The ups come from glimpses of the goal, as another form of freedom and justice begins to unfold. The downs can be temporarily crushing but, if the goal is good and true, the goal will prevail.
We WILL reform this corrupt political system, believe me. And with a lot of human ingenuity, we will also save our planet. The two go together. The latter is the most serious crisis humanity has ever faced. The former is the most serious crisis that our modern political system has ever faced. We cannot save our planet with a corrupt and unresponsive political system that is controlled by those who think only of profit and their own cushy berths on the 'Titanic.'
And if we can't win the fight to evict them from power this way, we can, we must, and we will find another way. Americans are awakening. Bernie Sanders is showing the way: common cause, each one doing their part. No need for rough language. No need for pitchforks. No need to answer "scorched earth" with "scorched earth." Simple determination to do your own part in concert with others. Keep each other informed. Work together.
senz
(11,945 posts)We have to find ways to counter their strange silence, to fill it up with rejoicing for the cause and each other. In essence, we have to legitimize this beautiful revolution for ourselves. We have to find ways to get around the silent media and spread the news and the camaraderie far and wide. It's disappointing that the media never mentions what Bernie has been talking about.
The competitor's supporters have also become quite good at squashing our celebrations -- our feelings for Bernie as a person and for what he is doing, our pleasure in the bird landing on his lectern, our delight in his huge crowds and long lines -- and popping our balloons, scoffing at what unifies us and heightens our sense of mission and hope. Perhaps we need to keep the heart and soul of this experience in the Bernie Sanders Group and just use GD-P for strictly event-based discussions.
It does us good to listen to Nina Turner, Rosario Dawson, and others who convey the joy of the campaign. And to volunteer in any way we can.
I appreciate your depth, Peace Patriot, and your remarks. I also feel a tad guilty for being so sleepy a couple of weeks ago that I couldn't reply to your excellent comment and then got distracted and eventually lost the thread. Sorry about that...
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...whose titles appear in the public venue and we can't comment. You know something? I'm only dimly aware of the rules at DU, though I joined in 2004. I just write something from my heart and soul on whatever issue is before me. I try to abide by general rules of civil discourse and politeness, and I have no problem doing jury duty based on those premises. But the picky rules about which forum you're in, or what news sources you're not supposed to use, or whatever--I just don't pay any attention to it. I think I've been alerted on only once or twice. I have NEVER alerted on anyone else. I don't "hide" anyone. And I almost always vote to "leave it alone" when some post gets alerted on. The ONLY post I've ever voted to hide was a really nasty racial slur against Obama.
Ergo, I have NO idea if the Bernie forum is exclusive like the Hillary one is. Is it?
I've strayed into the Hillary forum twice now. The first was deliberate, to inform them about Clinton and Honduras (a subject I know quite a lot about) and to suggest that Clinton DO something to stop the murders of activists in Honduras (Berta Caceres had just been murdered). I was sincerely appealing to them to pressure Clinton to do this. I was rudely chased out.
The second was entirely by accident--I saw one of those nasty titles of theirs and wanted to reply. I got rudely chased out again. Didn't realize I was in "their" forum. So I know THEY keep their club tightly closed like a hot house. No air gets in or out. Do we? If someone criticizes Sanders in a genuine way, do they get asked to leave?
I've joined the Bernie forum only recently, though I've been a Bernie supporter all along. I just don't pay much attention to groupings or those kinds of rules. I had something I particularly wanted to say to Bernie supporters first (my "Sea Biscuit" analogy to Bernie). So I joined. But I don't know the rules here.
I don't mind duking it out with opposing views in GD . It's good to do that. We need to always remember the lurkers. If we don't reply to lies or unfair attacks, some lurkers may end up being disinformed. It just got me down a bit tonight, with a 12% win, and Latest Threads was filled with vile attacks on Sanders. Usually, if it makes sense to reply, I do--unless it's Hillary's forum, and I can't.
Well, I'm rambling and it's late. Am I in the Bernie forum? I don't even know. I WAS thinking today that Bernie supporters need to be elsewhere, away from this poisonous Brockian atmosphere. It really is noxious.
senz
(11,945 posts)I am no expert on human behavior and do not fully understand the undercurrents, relationships, history and culture on DU, but I do know there's a lot of it. Some of these people go way back, for better or for worse. What little I do know seems, at least in the politics forums, a tad dysfunctional and often depressing -- although very interesting, which is why we keep coming back. Perhaps it's just human nature on display.
But I do think it's a good idea to understand the concept of groups in DU. Each official group has its own ground rules and moderators/administrators. People who run and frequent the groups, especially political groups and "sensitive" groups (lgbt, feminist, African American, etc.) take their turf and its rules very seriously. The bickering between competing primary candidates is so severe that the Hillary Group and Bernie Group are viewed as "safe havens" where supporters can go to talk amongst themselves without any flak from the opposing side. The Hillary Group is, in my opinion, hypersensitive; some (not all) of the members view themselves as victimized in various ways and are quick to "fight back" to perceived slights with tremendous force -- so I think it's best to just leave them alone. I, like you, didn't know about Groups a while back and so posted my sincere thoughts on Hillary there, lol, which got me bounced out so fast I didn't even know what happened until several days later.
Here's how to tell what group or forum you're in. Look at the title bar -- the horizontal bar under the tabs at the top of the web page. If you do it right now, you'll probably see:
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion: Primaries (Forum) » Not enough celebration! C...
It's sort of a nested hierarchy going from the general to the particular, and the group or forum on the right, just before the thread name, is the group you're in. So, looking at the title bar, we are in "General Discussion: Primaries (Forum)." It's a good idea to check the title bar if you're not sure. I normally select the forums that interest me, so I usually know were I am. But if you go through "latest threads" you could end up anywhere.
The Bernie Group is a nice group and anyone can post there until they get kicked out. I am sure you would never get kicked out, so I hope you will feel free to post there anytime you want. You might be careful about overt criticisms of Bernie until people get to know you better and know you are a genuine supporter. Of course any criticisms should be constructive and helpful and not too harsh.
I totally agree with you about lurkers and the importance of balancing the points of view visible on the major threads. I do think we are part of the alternative media here and that we do have some effect on the public perception of the candidates, even if small. I also believe that ideas are powerful and that our ideas could affect others, including those with bigger bullhorns and greater talent than ourselves, and that, too, is a way to affect the flow of events, even if only a little. The image I get when I think of this is a ripple moving through a pond.
Well, I hope you got a good sleep last night, Peace Patriot. It's good to have a thoughtful voice like yours here, and your knowledge of Honduras would be an asset. Oh, and are you aware of Jackpine Radicals? It's a website for Bernie supporters and progressives. I'm not too active there, but it's a much more positive atmosphere for Bernie folks and has many of the best current and former DUers on it. It's friendly and welcoming. http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)I'll go take a look at jackpineradicals. I'm not at all tempted to abandon DU during this epic fight for the soul of the Democratic Party. But it would be nice, from time to time, to get free of the moronic poison that gets posted here, and just discuss this remarkable Sanders campaign with friends.
Thank you again for your kind remarks and info!
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)I sung that...yes I did!
Biaviians
(167 posts)Back to work! New York is feeling the Bern!!
Phone banking. Canvassing. Voter Registrations. Face banking. Tell your friends and neighbors. We are Bernie's Media.
hereforthevoting
(241 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Bernie is lighting a fire
across this land
and people
are feeling
the Bern.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Oh well.. Say Hello to President Trump. WE are not going to give up the nomination if that's what you think. I think this has a lot to do with a woman becoming President.
astrophuss42
(290 posts)I would love to vote for a woman. HRC will not be that woman.
Thanks for the clap tho!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)sorechasm
(631 posts)Elizabeth Warren, Kamela Harris, Nina Turner, or Tulsi Gabbard remains to be seen.
questionseverything
(9,660 posts)she has the fire and she is not afraid to speak truth to power
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)This has always been an uphill battle, and it doesn't get any less steep yet.
Keep up the fine work.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)questionseverything
(9,660 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)hopeforchange2008
(610 posts)Faux pas
(14,690 posts)with Bernie Love!
kenn3d
(486 posts)Our choice is so clear.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The train is a'rollin'!
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Zorra
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