Bernie's defense re gun votes.

[LAS14]

Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Something that hasn't been mentioned nearly often enough is that Bernie did not vote against "people suing gun manufacters for a crime committed with a legal gun." Bernie voted against the possibility of bringing lawsuits about an unlimited variety of things (not including defective manufacture). Only when an individual suit is brought do we know whether or not it has merit. For instance, the Sandy Hook suit has to do with marketing practices. If the suit is frivolous, presumably a judge will notice. The link below describes a couple of specific law suits that are relevant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1662319

[CentralCoaster]

1. That's not true at all.

Try again.

[LAS14]

2. In what way is it not true?

[Lizzie Poppet]

6. This part is blatantly false:

Bernie voted against the possibility of anyone suing gun manufacturers about anything.

The actual terms of the law provide for the following rather broad exceptions to immunity:

(1) an action brought against someone convicted of “knowingly transfering a firearm, knowing that such firearm will be used to commit a crime of violence” by someone directly harmed by such unlawful conduct;
(2) an action brought against a seller for negligent entrustment or negligence per se;
(3) an action in which a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product knowingly violated a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of the product, and the violation was a proximate cause of the harm for which relief is sought;
(4) an action for breach of contract or warranty in connection with the purchase of the product;
(5) an action for death, physical injuries or property damage resulting directly from a defect in design or manufacture of the product, when used as intended or in a reasonably foreseeable manner, except that where the discharge of the product was caused by a volitional act that constituted a criminal offense, then such act shall be considered the sole proximate cause of any resulting death, personal injuries or property damage; or
(6) an action commenced by the Attorney General to enforce the Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act

[LAS14]

9. OK. I should refine my statement to say that...

.... Bernie behaves/speaks as if he was preventing only simple-minded suits blaming the gun manufacturers for crimes committed by guns. That's not the kind of law suits that are being contemplated and stopped.

[salinsky]

3. Correct ....

.... Bernie's supporters have been misrepresenting this issue.

Thanks for an accurate and concise clarification.

[ibegurpard]

7. Nope its a fucking lie

And easily disproved

[hedda_foil]

8. Read post #6 above. Then come back and tell us what you think.

[salinsky]

14. I think that saying the exemptions are broad in scope ...

... is laughable.

So, Bernie didn't want to eliminate the liability exposure of gun manufacturers entirely, he just wanted to roll back that exposure to 1980's levels.

Yay, Bernie!

Oh well, I guess the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of kindergarteners.

[hedda_foil]

16. Not exemption, which sounds like it might mean exempting the industry from prosecution.

Exceptions Broad exceptions from immunity the benefit of real people. You didn't read the post, much less the bill.

Bybye saul

[salinsky]

17. Exemption ... Exception ... Whatev ...

... the point remains the same.

Bernie bros sure love to run and hide.

Bye, bye now ...

[Lizzie Poppet]

4. That's a bald-faced lie.

If you haven't even bothered to read what the legislation in question actually does, you have no business posting about it. Do your goddamn due diligence...

[ibegurpard]

5. That is a lie

Look up the legislation.
Gun manufacturers are not protected from lawsuits due to defective or malfunctioning guns .
Why are you lying?

[LAS14]

10. OK, see #9.

I should have refined my statement.

You should have said I was mistaken instead of "lying."

I didn't mean to imply that gun manufacturers were protected against defective manufacture. See #9. I'll edit the post.

[robbedvoter]

11. Try arguing with this - pretty factual from the Senator from CT

https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/717378820186251264

One day before opposing gun manufacturers liability, he voted for McDonald's. So... rationalize away.

[geek tragedy]

12. you're going compare assault rifles and the McRib? nt

[msanthrope]

15. You won the Internets today. Nt

[99Forever]

13. Working. on that same fucking lame Big Lie again?

You must think people are really really really stupid, huh?

Hanging around Camp Weathervane does leave one with that impression.