2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMaybe Bernie knows that it doesn't matter
what he does, as far as New York is concerned at this point. Otherwise, I can't imagine leaving the state that close to the election. Maybe internal polling shows a solid win for Hillary. Then, this Vatican trip is more easily explained.
Just a thought...
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)First, I don't think US Catholics will pay much attention to this. Second, it's a chancey thing to leave the country right after a debate. Normally, a candidate talks to the press and holds events.
Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)Will hurt the ratings of morning news.
I suppose maybe it could be broadcasted live from sea to fucking sea.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Sanders is a man of his word and walks his talk. Here is an opportunity for him to do so yet again.
And you probably don't know this being from MN, but NY state is number 5 for the number Catholic residents. I am sure this will hurt him so badly.
Oh, but really here is the ass kicker. What about Clinton? I mean, why is she leaving NY to go to Hong Kong on the same day to do a $2700.00 minimum per person fundraiser?
Maybe internal polling shows a solid win for Sanders and she needs the money to compete?
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)She will not be at that fundraiser, and never planned to be. Sorry.
think
(11,641 posts)Hitters just keep hitting..
.
But I had NO idea GSachs persons were actually on the Campaign
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Pay it no mind
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)It is actually worse, she will be doing a $353K sit down with the Clooney's at Venture Capitalist Shervin Pishevar instead.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207
So yeah, Clinton doing her high money quid pro quo versus Sanders walking the talk. Would you like to address that and how that might go over in NY?
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)But she is doing that fundraiser with Mr and Mrs George Clooney that day.
How much is it to attend that one?
RashaMZak
(32 posts)Speaking about the idolatry of money while she's there, I'm sure.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Have no clue what ether that came from.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)is my guess.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)it would be a great photo-op
said on the View he was meeting the Pope
revbones
(3,660 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)She asked and he said yep. My assumption after seeing that is that he assumed she was asking about the Vatican invite, but regardless, you guys certainly like to make a mountain out of a molehill - ALL THE FREAKING TIME.
It's just pathetic. Clinton calls him unqualified in every way except using the actual word, and he fires back and you guys flip out - even though nobody specifically found video of him saying "she is unqualified".
I understand that you guys are desperate because your candidate is so flawed, but to use cheap Karl Rove style word play and cheap shots is beneath Democrats, even only supposed ones...
DrDan
(20,411 posts)assume all you want - the question was clear.
Pathetic? You bet. You think he walks on water, but when he proves he is nothing more than a politician, you cannot handle it. You lie, deny, and make excuses.
A sure sign of desperation.
I sure will be glad when this season is over.
revbones
(3,660 posts)lying about being under sniper fire. Or lying to unions about fighting the Colombia Free Trade Agreement and then having it discovered in released emails that she actually secretly lobbied for it. Any response to actual lies from your own candidate?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I guess deflection is the only tactic available . . .
frylock
(34,825 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)out of town when Bernie is there.
frylock
(34,825 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)are 2 very different things.
If the first occurs - don't bother to revisit. It means nothing in terms of Bernie's visit there.
If the second occurs (and not an incident repeated with every attendee), please let me know and I shall acknowledge the meeting.
The difference in our attitudes toward this blunder - he will be my choice he win the nomination and am hoping he can mostly stay above the fray. However, he is a politician, after all, and prone to overestimating his importance.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Hillary was scheduled to be in Hong Kong for a fundraiser at the very same time. (She may have cancelled, though, bad optics.)
At least you are not still concerned with jet lag.
Oh, and a vatican invite is not something easily obtained; not like he looked at some polls and said oops! Gotta wangle an invite to the Vatican!
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)and I've repeated nothing.
djean111
(14,255 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)If you really thought Bernie was hurting his campaign by making the trip to Rome you'd be happy instead of fretting over it. The real reason he's doing it is almost certainly because economic justice has been the central issue of his campaign (in fact, his entire political life), and he thinks this conference is important enough that he wants to be there and give more exposure to those issues. Bernie isn't all about political maneuvering, unlike Hillary; I don't think he's letting polls decide whether he should go. But thanks for your concern anyhow.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I find them interesting.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)Let's not down play, it will garner many lies at Bernie Sanders from Hillary's team.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)You have to go through Rome to get to the Vatican. So it's not wrong to say he's going to Rome - but I see your point.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)1. He thinks his campaign will benefit more from the publicity surrounding the trip than one more day of local retail politicking.
2. He sees this personally as a once in a lifetime opportunity, a very special day in his life, and he doesn't want to let it pass him by. And he hopes that one day more or less of local campaigning is not going to make the decisive difference in the primary.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)#nothim
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)to the Vatican's conference mobilizes almost every
HRC supporter here.
They would love to find some nefarious motive to
smash him with, but, alas, cannot find it. Thus
they try to put their own spin on it, and find that
it just sinks.
To let Bernie make his own decision is even too
much for some of them, but they have to keep
this issue going, because they have nothing else.
Funny, how things work sometimes.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Really pathetic.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)No reason not to go.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)It'll be like Krakatoa around here
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)great inspiration for his work in the Senate after the primaries are over.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Dream on. .
Bunch a, buncha Bernin luv blazing the trail
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)and Bernie is supposed to do bumpkis?
.
Oye Vey
peacebird
(14,195 posts)an idiot to think that.
You pretend to be a reasonable person, yet you are simply a Hillbot.
I thought more of you than that. Good bye.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)We all should be proud that Sanders was invited to and is representing us at a conference on economic justice.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>Just a thought..>>>>.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I'd think you'd be quite delighted that he's going to be out of the state for two or three days.
And I suspect the internal polling in both campaigns show him essentially tied with her -- otherwise why would her campaign be so desperate to destroy and disqualify him (their words, remember)?
Plus, he's got Jane. I bet she does events in NYS while he's away. Not to mention that there will probably be a lot of media coverage of his trip. Not all of it good, naturally, but still a lot of coverage.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Put your money on Hillary to win New York. Odds aren't even that high right now. You stand to make a fortune with this info
frylock
(34,825 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I think voters will be paying attention.
I suspect he reaches more people this way than if he stayed home.
If I were clinton I'd be jealous!
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)Usual blah blah after the debate. I don't think missing Friday and Saturday on the campaign trail will make that much difference. He is going to be in NY and Long Island tomorrow. He has the Washington Square rally on the 13th. I wouldn't worry about why he is going to this conference. Perhaps he thinks it's a valuable exchange of ideas and I'm sure he thinks he can learn something from it.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it's okay really it is , I understand
beaglelover
(3,488 posts)4 days before the primary to travel to Rome?