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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:37 AM Apr 2016

My day started today being told Sanders was invited to meet the Pope.

The question seems to be why Clinton supporters have so many threads about Sanders going to a small conference of scholars at the Vatican.

That was not the issue all day long, thread after thread as we started this story with Sanders saying he was invited to meet the Pope.

How the story changes, both what the real issue was, and the story itself, following along, trying to find the truth in it.

Sanders started his day stating he was invited to meet the Pope. That wasn't/isn't true. There should be discussion calling that out, ya think?



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My day started today being told Sanders was invited to meet the Pope. (Original Post) seabeyond Apr 2016 OP
... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #1
Your people are worried, they do not get it. I am helping them out. I am that kinda gal. seabeyond Apr 2016 #5
Someone is worried, obsessed actually, and jealous, and way out of their depth. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #9
I get this is a game of yours, and so many. I find it silly. But, we have been thru this repeatedly. seabeyond Apr 2016 #16
ZOMG BERNIE'S GOING TO TEH VATICAN!!! ARGLE BARGLE!!! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #22
Good for him. I am thrilled he is going to the Vatican. I get you want it to be about that. It isn't seabeyond Apr 2016 #31
Sure you are, that's why you can't stop obsessing about it. You're "thrilled" for him! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #38
+1000. polly7 Apr 2016 #177
Looks like you're getting hit with lame memes instead of substance. zappaman Apr 2016 #126
I have never understood this logic for argument, even at 7. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #169
Wtf? polly7 Apr 2016 #175
I do Polly. Here is something for you to watch for. I post meme and gifs that define me... seabeyond Apr 2016 #176
Here is something for you to watch for. polly7 Apr 2016 #179
I replied to and addressed a post that was talking about me Polly. Hence, talking about me, lol. seabeyond Apr 2016 #181
Who cares? You've done it to others ..... for years. polly7 Apr 2016 #182
You.... by addressing me, about me. seabeyond Apr 2016 #184
You ......... saying you didn't understand anyone doing this - even at age 7! polly7 Apr 2016 #186
And I do not get people that argue by defining another as if that is a valid way to argue. seabeyond Apr 2016 #187
lmao. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #189
Every irony meter in the country just exploded. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #190
Logic? Coming from you that's rich. I've never seen anyone torture logic as badly as you. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #180
Speaking of lame and putting the call out... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #183
You forgot the meme. zappaman Apr 2016 #225
Whoops! For you: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #226
She's having a no good, very bad day. This is her comping mechanism. synergie Apr 2016 #93
*giggle* *snicker* beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #101
What is it dear, did you wish to whisper something in my ear? synergie Apr 2016 #105
Aw, aren't you something? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #118
No, sweetie, I'm just a compassionate person. You're the special snowflake synergie Apr 2016 #121
Sure you are, that's why you've done nothing but project since you came into this thread. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #122
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #130
Aw, that's what you think you've been doing? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #131
Poor little BMUs, if only you had a puppy to hug, you might not be so very synergie Apr 2016 #135
How cute! My little brother used to do the same thing but he was 8 and a fan of Pee Wee's: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #137
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #144
Aw. Maybe some music will help lighten the mood! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #146
Music will keep you from your obsessively numerous posts which somehow synergie Apr 2016 #148
Still going on and on about me? How sweet - in a disturbing fetishy sort of way: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #151
So many sanders supporters with such thin skin..can't even take an opinion post..... Sheepshank Apr 2016 #219
Goodness, you are in a mood today! Here's a cute picture of a wombat to cheer you up: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #220
... shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #214
Aw, she's such a sweetheart, tell synergie I said hi! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #216
Memes and gifs are more than this topic deserves Lordquinton Apr 2016 #110
Yeah, not a tactic, more like an actual thing that happened. synergie Apr 2016 #119
Yea, he really was invited Lordquinton Apr 2016 #140
Not by the Pope like he claimed or the Vatican like he claimed. synergie Apr 2016 #152
Memes are my go-to solution when dealing with nasty personal attacks and absurd claims. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #159
Sanders was invited, Clinton was not, that's the scary fact. Lordquinton Apr 2016 #171
Hey that poutrage isn't going to manufacture itself!. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #123
I feels like dodging sniper fire Lordquinton Apr 2016 #142
The need to lie about Bernie - it's almost pathological. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #145
The whole scorched earth announcement doesn't help either Lordquinton Apr 2016 #170
Right out of Rove's playbook. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #188
I think you are confusing yourself and BMUS when it comes to projection. (nt) LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #150
Yes, that's why he's lying so much, but this pope thing is super silly, no matter synergie Apr 2016 #60
Aw, another Hillary supporter has a sad because she's not invited. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #61
I think you have a sad because your guy keeps getting caught lying on the record synergie Apr 2016 #63
I'm not the one having a meltdown over this meeting, have you seen the actual lies? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #65
Your posts here show that statemen to be false, you are all over the place synergie Apr 2016 #70
Tl;dr. Are you still going on and on about this? My dog you folks are obsessed. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #71
You're hilarious BMUS! I see you're still going strong, I gues this is why you love synergie Apr 2016 #78
You seem tense. There, there. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #79
Nope, that's just you projecting again, it's hard to keep losing arguments and synergie Apr 2016 #82
LOL! You can't even come up with your own snark, you have to copy mine. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #86
I was being nice and not pointing out your echolalia, that's when you synergie Apr 2016 #125
... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #129
Your Gifs are all you got? Lol~ sheshe2 Apr 2016 #76
Both the pope and Hillary believed that marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #81
LMAO sheshe2 Apr 2016 #104
Why yes, I'm surprised you missed it: " The right of a woman to control her own body" beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #116
I see you! sheshe2 Apr 2016 #127
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY!!! NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #172
Reading is fundamental, try to get a hold of yourself, you'll be just fine. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #174
Two words: NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #200
You mean like "marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman"? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #201
Oh, this is getting good! NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #202
Going to the vatican is the same thing as opposing marriage equality? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #203
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #207
One of the candiates opposed marriage equality, the other went to bat for us at Liberty U. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #208
You poor thing NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #209
Says the person posting personal attacks on DU. Buh bye now, say goodnight Gracie! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #210
Jury results shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #213
Thanks, one "poor thing" can't post in this thread any more. What a shame. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #217
Because I cannot reply to hidden posts: Jury Results merrily Apr 2016 #211
3 hours? That can't be right, the post isn't that old. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #212
Bernie Sanders to Discuss Inequality at the Vatican While Clinton Hosts a $2,700 Plate Fundraiser beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #204
Pope snubs Clinton Foundation, ouch! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #206
Come on Sheshe, BMUS is having a very difficult day. She's quite upset about it. synergie Apr 2016 #84
Tsk. sheshe can't help you, might as well not even bother asking. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #87
Why would sheshe have to help me? Oh dear, was that too long for you to read too? synergie Apr 2016 #90
Oh my, you are projecting. I am so sorry you're feeling angry. Friends? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #94
Oh no dear, I'm not the one projecting. Simply echoing words that I"m using is not synergie Apr 2016 #124
Yes, you are, you can't even come up with your own put downs, so lame. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #128
Oh, you poor damaged creature. You can't even see that no one is putting you synergie Apr 2016 #134
Tl; dr. I'm sure it's just more of this: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #136
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #138
You seem to think I'm reading your posts but you're wasting your time. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #141
Projecting again, are you dear? Illiteracy and unwillingness to even face synergie Apr 2016 #147
Aw. You should have given up a long time ago, you wore yourself out. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #149
S/He earned four hidden posts in this thread alone Rob H. Apr 2016 #215
Right? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #218
;) sheshe2 Apr 2016 #109
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #115
LOL opiate69 Apr 2016 #173
Oh noes! Another meme! You're going to give someone the vapours! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #185
No!! Anything but the vapours!! opiate69 Apr 2016 #191
LOL! Check out which video appeared in the list when I looked them up: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #193
Actually I am more bemused than worried about it. Armstead Apr 2016 #18
Except you have clearly been told the issue, while writing an Op that in no way resembles what the seabeyond Apr 2016 #24
The discussion is...... Armstead Apr 2016 #41
You are meeting up with the Pope. Yup. seabeyond Apr 2016 #42
But even the vatican said it wasn't impossible: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #51
You keep spinning there, and just ignore the Pople's actual schedule. synergie Apr 2016 #62
In order for it to be a lie (like landing under sniper fire) one has to know it's a lie. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #64
So you're saying that he's not a liar, he's just ignorant and uninformed? synergie Apr 2016 #67
Tl; dr. *yawn* The daily poutrage got old hours ago, find something else to rant about. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #69
Poor BMUs, hoist on your own petard! I'm so sorry you couldn't figure out that synergie Apr 2016 #73
Aw, you should have quit while you were behind: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #74
Oh my goodness, yet another post. Well, I've never been behind here, so is this synergie Apr 2016 #80
You really should take your own advice, remember we can all see your transparency page. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #83
But BMUs we can see yours too, and remember anyone who wishes to see synergie Apr 2016 #89
Oh my goodness, so sensitive! Why I'm simply worried about you. Aw, no hard feelings, 'k? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #92
I know, you do seem to be QUITE upset. synergie Apr 2016 #100
I am indeed worried, so much obsession about me is unhealthy (remember?) beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #102
But I'm not obssesed with you dear, you're the one who cannot stop replying, remember? synergie Apr 2016 #111
Oh but you are, you were the one who responded to me, I get it you just can't quit me. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #117
Speaking of transparency pages, TexasTowelie Apr 2016 #162
... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #163
Your jury results Ruby the Liberal Apr 2016 #194
Thanks! The alert stalkers will have to try again. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #197
Jury results are in. OnyxCollie Apr 2016 #195
Thanks, pretty sure I know who it was. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #198
Aw somebody has a sad. Puglover Apr 2016 #196
I knew that was coming, they've been alerting on me non stop for months. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #199
It's been a rough month for them Kittycat Apr 2016 #85
It's really starting to show, they've posted dozens of threads on this today, it's bizarre. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #88
They should focus on the good their candidate is doing Kittycat Apr 2016 #114
I don't think some have a candidate, we know for a fact that trolls come here to stir the shit. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #120
Uh so are you splitting hairs in an effort to avoid saying that you are wrong? truedelphi Apr 2016 #133
I tried to explain that but I don't think you can reason with some people. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #139
Yep, that's it in a nutshell unapatriciated Apr 2016 #205
Oh please Angrydemex Apr 2016 #112
She left her own OP(post#42). And now for: THE HONEYDIPPERS Hiraeth Apr 2016 #167
Sorry, but...... Amaril Apr 2016 #12
It was the only one that fit today's obsession. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #14
Is that a catholic or jewish tennis ball? Armstead Apr 2016 #20
LOL! At least it's not red! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #26
That pretty much encapsulates this latest half-cocked smear job. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #27
When a Presidential candidate looks in the camera and states the Pope invited him for a meeting, seabeyond Apr 2016 #33
The squirrel one didn't quite capture the unhinged obsession they seem to have with this story. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #55
Are you going to be OK? ibegurpard Apr 2016 #2
Why wouldn't I be? seabeyond Apr 2016 #8
Strange obsession. morningfog Apr 2016 #3
Your people are putting out the concern and confusion. I am giving them their answer. seabeyond Apr 2016 #10
I don't have any people. I totally understand why Hillary supporters morningfog Apr 2016 #17
yes, it is strange how obsessed Bernie people are with Catholics and the Pope. pnwmom Apr 2016 #96
I understand why you wouldn't want to talk about Philly Kalidurga Apr 2016 #4
Still don't care Dem2 Apr 2016 #6
That is cool. We all have choices. seabeyond Apr 2016 #11
I enjoyed the "qualificationgate" posts more Dem2 Apr 2016 #15
You'll love the next one! 10 long days until NY! morningfog Apr 2016 #19
I hope so Dem2 Apr 2016 #28
Mine is the blatant lying, while looking into a national camera while talking about a religious man. seabeyond Apr 2016 #21
Mine was her blatantly lying about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction so we could invade Iraq beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #32
Guess he gets a mulligan from me on this one Dem2 Apr 2016 #47
Just admit your pissed your candidate doesn't have a moral compass to be invited to the event timmymoff Apr 2016 #91
Camp Pinocchio keeps moving the goal posts itsrobert Apr 2016 #7
Definitely changed the story then added concern and confusion, lol. seabeyond Apr 2016 #13
Pinocchio? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #53
I thought it was Bernocchio, or does that get one banned around here? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #224
There was - about 18 hours (and 50 discussions) ago. He got invited to a conference. jmg257 Apr 2016 #23
Again, the discussion thru out the day was deciphering lie from reality. seabeyond Apr 2016 #25
Yep, and now we know who will be doing what that day...seems appropriate doesn't it? jmg257 Apr 2016 #36
Ouch. I can see why the op is outraged. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #52
Amazing - more and more we start to realize what its all about. nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #54
Well I don't think he's meeting with the Pope, but the Pope did approve the invitation. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #29
False. Iliyah Apr 2016 #34
"Hey who's that guy in the hat talking to Bernie"? jmg257 Apr 2016 #37
No he didn't. seabeyond Apr 2016 #44
Why did Bernie say he was then? pnwmom Apr 2016 #98
You must have gotten up late or you live on the west coast. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #30
Did you hear where Hillary will be going the night that Sanders CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #40
Awww... CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #35
Now, everyone can come into this thread and pretend the lie in the Op is not right in front of their seabeyond Apr 2016 #39
And many Catholics know the difference Iliyah Apr 2016 #43
Aw come on. When you go to Disneyland, it's like you're going to see Mickey Mouse! CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #46
He said on national TV he was invited to meet with the Pope. The president doesn't "roll" with a lie seabeyond Apr 2016 #48
The vatican said it wasn't out of the question: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #50
so he isn't meeting the pope? snooper2 Apr 2016 #45
No, because the Pope will not be at the conference. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #99
I guess the bbc got it entirely wrong!?! Or else all of the Hillary Obsessed truedelphi Apr 2016 #132
This is so cool, Sanders is going to speak at the vatican about inequality, What time will juxtaposed Apr 2016 #49
False. Iliyah Apr 2016 #56
not sure what an audience participant is but, HRC will be speaking as one too? Or will HRC be a juxtaposed Apr 2016 #66
Bernie was the only one of all the Presidential candidates who lobbied for an invite pnwmom Apr 2016 #106
He was invited . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #154
She knows that, the letter and article have been posted several times in her thread. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #155
I have noticed the teflon approach they are using TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #160
Yeah, I have a crew that follows me around, they've been doing it since last summer. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #161
I got a crew that's been following for years nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #168
I see that, there appears to be a little overlap. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #178
No. He was invited after his friend Sachs, another invitee, wangled the invitation for him. pnwmom Apr 2016 #156
Never double down on stupid . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #157
Bernie isn't scheduled to speak at any time. He's not among the speakers. pnwmom Apr 2016 #103
Substantive issue! A deeply vital OP. Thank you! nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #57
Petty is as petty does. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #59
Except the papal office says differently Marrah_G Apr 2016 #68
And he will speak according to tje Guardian nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #72
That's sure a lot of time and money to attend an obscure religious conference pnwmom Apr 2016 #158
The program has been posted; when is he speaking and in which scheduled topic? brooklynite Apr 2016 #221
You might want to correct the guardian not me nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #222
Don't confuse them with facts. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #75
oops!!!!! Marrah_G Apr 2016 #77
Be kind - they're confused enough. 840high Apr 2016 #95
We should offer them a shoulder to cry on, a hug, maybe some pepto. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #97
Did you see the article about how the pope turned down a Clinton invitation.. grasswire Apr 2016 #107
I just saw it. Jealousy is a powerful emotion. And when it turns to rage... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #153
Not really. The official website says they were both appointed by the Pontiff pnwmom Apr 2016 #108
Lord, who Cares? MFM008 Apr 2016 #113
You don't want to talk about policy AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #143
And this nonesense is about policy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #166
Listen, I would love to see a woman president, but not Hillary. Bernie is the B Calm Apr 2016 #164
Maybe Pope Photo-Op will wash Bernie's feet...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #165
St Bernard is a liar. Liar's lie. beaglelover Apr 2016 #192
Well said and to the point Sheepshank Apr 2016 #223
I do not see this as some gigantic lie by Sanders: Jarqui Apr 2016 #227
Because he lied about it. baldguy Apr 2016 #228
No ring kissing, no Popey picture for Bernie.... Historic NY Apr 2016 #229
Meanwhile Pope Francis is off to Greece to tend his flock vs the flack in Rome. seabeyond Apr 2016 #230
No, actually. This is, first, an endorsement of Sanders' works by the Vatican. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #231
Kick and rec frylock Apr 2016 #232
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. I get this is a game of yours, and so many. I find it silly. But, we have been thru this repeatedly.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:44 AM
Apr 2016

Not like you every actually address what you reply to. Just insult.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
126. Looks like you're getting hit with lame memes instead of substance.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:27 AM
Apr 2016

And the call definitely went out.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
176. I do Polly. Here is something for you to watch for. I post meme and gifs that define me...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

No someone else. I do not know them, nor have a clue of what they actually experience. But, I do know self, his posting about me. Not you.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
179. Here is something for you to watch for.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:32 PM
Apr 2016

Not everything is about you.

People can post memes or gifs any fucking time they want.

You've done it probably dozens of times to actually strike out at others - yet you state you didn't understand doing it even at the age of 7? Come on now .....

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
181. I replied to and addressed a post that was talking about me Polly. Hence, talking about me, lol.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

polly7

(20,582 posts)
186. You ......... saying you didn't understand anyone doing this - even at age 7!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

when you've been making fun of people here using them for years.

Sorry, no moral ground there, as much as you desperately need to be seen as better than anyone (and there are a lot of us) just recently deciding upon using them in response to shit that doesn't deserve anything but.

I'd say, try not to take it so hard.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
180. Logic? Coming from you that's rich. I've never seen anyone torture logic as badly as you.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

You're famous for the appeal to emotion fallacy in particular.

And polly's right, it's not like we haven't see your work, your posts are full of pictures and words from other people.

Too funny.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
93. She's having a no good, very bad day. This is her comping mechanism.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:36 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie is imploding, the media is calling him on it, and he keeps doing dumb things, and she can't figure out how to defend him without stating that he's lying or stupid.

It's been hard for BMUS. Have some compassion, these defense mechanisms and the numerous posts are how she deals with it.

Memes and gifs substitute for actual argument, which is not a strong point.

Simply encourage her to try one of her hobbies, she mentioned an interest in wine and something called extreme ironing. Apparently she's tense or something. She uses projection, so what she's accusing you of is what she's going through, and that seems like quite a lot.

We really should have some compassion, imagine what tomorrow will bring for Bernie and his lies!

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
105. What is it dear, did you wish to whisper something in my ear?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:45 AM
Apr 2016

Do type it out. It will help you get out all that anger an all that fear and hate your posts have been showing, well since you've been posting.

Let it out and perhaps the next few days will not be so very difficult for you.

It's okay BMUS, backing a failed candidate is not the worst thing in the world. He's a politician, they're not expected to tell the truth, but they are expected to know things. I'm sorry Bernie has disappointed and upset you so very much.

Let us help you find that "right person" whose hug will melt your stress and anger away.

It'll be all right, BMUS.

'Til then, would you like to tell me about your ironing hobby? You seemed rather excited about it.

If only those giggles were real and not just false cover! Poor, dear BMUS.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
121. No, sweetie, I'm just a compassionate person. You're the special snowflake
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:05 AM
Apr 2016

that can't be bothered to read things, but seems to have so very many pictures to paste, and is so dedicated to posting replies.

I know you're all upset and so very angry, but let that hate out and let's see if we can get some healing going on, before you hurt yourself or someone else. This much despair and this much denial ... well, it's not a healthy mix.

Why so hostile? Who hurt you BMUS?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
122. Sure you are, that's why you've done nothing but project since you came into this thread.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:10 AM
Apr 2016

Frankly I find this obsession with me a little disturbing but I'm getting used to it.

How ... unusual. And yet so familiar, I do believe I've seen your work before.

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #122)

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
135. Poor little BMUs, if only you had a puppy to hug, you might not be so very
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:54 AM
Apr 2016

very upset and so very angry all the time. Will they not let you have one?

I'm sorry that Bernie has failed you so badly, and that your anger has no other outlet, but unlike you I have need of sleep and I have things to do away from DU so I shall bid you goonight, and shall leave you here stomping away and obsessing over some other person who dares to speak truths to you that you cannot accept.

Good night BMUS, remember there are other paths than anger and hate, you just have to choose them.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
137. How cute! My little brother used to do the same thing but he was 8 and a fan of Pee Wee's:
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:56 AM
Apr 2016

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #137)

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
148. Music will keep you from your obsessively numerous posts which somehow
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:17 AM
Apr 2016

never say anything of substance, but are so full of anger and denial?

Sure let's see how that works.

Good night now, we humans need sleep, but you keep pasting on!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
151. Still going on and on about me? How sweet - in a disturbing fetishy sort of way:
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:22 AM
Apr 2016


I'm flattered really, maybe you should spread some of that around, other Bernistas will be jealous I'm getting all your attention.


 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
219. So many sanders supporters with such thin skin..can't even take an opinion post.....
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

.....without swarming, alerting and helping out poor picked on BMUS.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
214. ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:33 PM
Apr 2016

from synergie

130. Nope, all I've done is demolish your "arguments" with facts and dealing with

your rather angry responses. I've been telling you from the very beginning that you are indeed projecting, it's a word I taught you, a concept that you don't quite seem to get yet.

I merely replied, you just buried me in a hail of obsessive, to use your term, responses that don't address the topic I originally posted about. I find your obsession very disturbing, especially the violent, angry, threatening bits, and am quite sincerely worried about your current state. You seem to be all over the place. Angry here, lashing out there, wanting to be friends another place, but always, always the projection.

It would seem that you are confusing the issues you've displayed with regard to Bernie and his very bad day with those who are seeking to address your misconceptions. In fact you seem to be reacting rather violently to some simple facts, and judging from your posting history, this anger, the threats and the not very nice comments are your sole focus. Why just look at your posts on this thread alone, so angry, so mean and so rude!

Yes, you are indeed "unusual" and it's "familiar" because what you're doing is projecting your own behavior, that "work" you've seen is merely a reflection of your own deep anger and your own posts which are not very nice.

I've been nothing but nice to you, even when you've mocked me, abused me and threatened me (remember)?

I do believe you're finally starting to cotton onto what the concept of projection is all about.

Are you ready to actually read the original post that was just so very hard for you earlier and explain your way out of that corner you backed yourself into?

Or shall you fall back to projecting your own personal obsession and desperate need to avoid failed arguments, and make some more hypocritical allusions to how i should 'remember' the source of the hides, while ignoring that your own are visible?

I get it if you are too scared to resume an argument you lost, but the politic thing to do in such situations is to stop replying, but you seem rather unable to do that. That's very interesting.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
110. Memes and gifs are more than this topic deserves
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:51 AM
Apr 2016

The "Sanders lied" tactic is being pushed so strong it's kinda funny, and kinda pathetic. It's very transparent, maybe come up with an actual argument to discus and you'll get it in return, until then:

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
119. Yeah, not a tactic, more like an actual thing that happened.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:02 AM
Apr 2016

What's funny is that despite the evidence, the audio and the doubling down, so many supporters are still refusing to believe their own lying eyes and ears. I agree, it's pretty pathetic and when you can't actually come up with something to deny the undeniable reality, you paste silly pictures that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand.

It's pretty transparent when actual arguments are ignored, because those who can't answer them simply can't be bothered to read them.

BMUS tried and then gave up and ran away from argument. She started lashing out with weird threats, which showed me just how very upset she truly was.

You seem to be equally upset. I know it's hard when you can't come up with something to say when you candidate deeply disappoints you repeatedly by saying things that are demonstrably false and all you can do is post things like this and pretend that no one provided facts.

Perhaps you and BMUS can comfort each other? It seems like the both of you need some hugs.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
140. Yea, he really was invited
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:01 AM
Apr 2016

No matter how hard you force it, the "Bernie lies" meme won't catch on. Meanwhile there are some transcripts that are still missing, and also she is shutting reporters out of her speech.

But Bernie used a colloquial term when talking about subway rides, so I guess that's bigger news, eh?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
152. Not by the Pope like he claimed or the Vatican like he claimed.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:29 AM
Apr 2016

Calling his numerous lies and the doubling down he does because he's incapable of admitting that he was wrong, "memes" is just sad. No matter how hard you try to deny reality, your candidate has been exposed for what he is, an ill informed, dishonest guy who just dosn't do his homework.

Meanwhile you're desperate to believe anything that you're trying to make yet another right wing soured lunacy into a thing, yet again. I'm sorry that you follow in Bernie's footsteps and fail to read behind the headline from your favorite CON news source, quoted by Weaver to squeeze more money out of gullible rubes, I hope you didn't give too much and your gifs are boring if you have nothing to say, remain silent, pasting pointless gifs really doesn't pad your post with anything approaching substance.

It's funny how you all whine about memes but can't seem to restrain yourself from meming up every post.



I have no idea which Bernie gaffe you're talking about, but the big deal is that he still doesn't seem to understand that what he quoted was something that was never said, and that's not how quoting works, and yes LYING repeatedly and being caught doing so, especially when it shows you just didn't do your homework is a big deal.

Right wing fiction about how reporters across the street from private homes is simply pathetic, and that it's being used to fleece people people who don't know any better is proof of how low this meme obsessed campaign will go, and just how desperate they truly are.

But you just keep watching that repetitive image and cut and paste more, it's really helping your tap dance away from those scary facts you can't face!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
159. Memes are my go-to solution when dealing with nasty personal attacks and absurd claims.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:14 AM
Apr 2016

These kinds of over the top personal attacks and accusations are completely unnecessary. Just because we support a different candidate? Seriously?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
171. Sanders was invited, Clinton was not, that's the scary fact.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

He didn't claim the pope invited him, he said the pope would like to meet him.

I wasn't aware that those gif I posted were memes, they're just a couple of shots from Star Wars that express my feelings of disbelief that the politician known as being dishonest (check the polls) is attacking the one known for his honesty on lieing, there is zero credibility there. Maybe post something that hasn't been discredited? Something that isn't based on interpretation and stretching it to something that doesn't even resemble reality and you might get somthing simmilar in responce.

until then have this classic:

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
123. Hey that poutrage isn't going to manufacture itself!.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:17 AM
Apr 2016

They need to dial the drama up to 11 just to keep the threads coming.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
142. I feels like dodging sniper fire
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:02 AM
Apr 2016

When your backing a politician who is polled as the least honest, I guess you have to try and force that meme onto the other guy. Really sad, I wonder how they think this helps party unity?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
145. The need to lie about Bernie - it's almost pathological.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:08 AM
Apr 2016

It's like they have no other purpose in life but to tear down the man.

I find it hard to believe they really support Hillary. Bernie supporters post positive threads about him constantly, we rec and encourage each other. I'm not seeing that from them.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
170. The whole scorched earth announcement doesn't help either
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

We know they are going all out on him, and attacking him on Clinton's weaknesses (which are his strengths). It wouldn't be so bad if people weren't literally chanting liar liar pants on fire over stuff like subway tokens.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
188. Right out of Rove's playbook.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah, the tokens thing, making a big deal out of that is positively Palinesque.


 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
60. Yes, that's why he's lying so much, but this pope thing is super silly, no matter
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:24 AM
Apr 2016

how worried, jealous,obsessed and out of his depth Bernie is.

Pop some more corn though, the desperate campaign is going to be putting on a show. They're actually being vetted for the first time ever, and it's not going well.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
63. I think you have a sad because your guy keeps getting caught lying on the record
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:36 AM
Apr 2016

and falling flat on his face whenever anyone asks him a question.

Is your little gif an explanation of how you're dealing with the implosion of your candidate and his failure of a campaign?

You might want to stock up, the next week is going to be very hard on you and your liver, if this is how you cope with disappointment.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
65. I'm not the one having a meltdown over this meeting, have you seen the actual lies?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:40 AM
Apr 2016

You know like this one?:

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw





Meanwhile Hillary will be meeting with Hollywood's most glamourous couple for big bucks.

Yes, I see why her supporters are so touchy about this story.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
70. Your posts here show that statemen to be false, you are all over the place
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:58 AM
Apr 2016

in a high dudgeon about this topic, as Bernie's story is exposed to be simply not true, per the Vatican. Your flurry of comments show that you're quite upset about it! Do calm down.

Yes, I have seen the actual lies, where Bernie, either got caught lying, or as you asserted, proved just how incredibly uninformed he was, and thought he was meeting with the Pope!

Who stated that he invited himself, clearly his Hillary hating buddy Sachs was the one agitating for his inclusion, without it seems, letting the president know. She was quite upset about not being consulted, and I see no proof of that consensus that the Bishop alleges, and we know how fond of truth telling those guys are, amiright?

Yeah, meanwhile Hillary will be raising money for downstream Dems and the party building that Bernie forgot he agreed to and hasn't bothered to. It's almost like she understands that to get anything done in Congress and to effect change at the local and state level, the party needs funds.

Yeah, I see why you keep projecting your own emotional upset after the past couple of days that exposed Bernie's dishonesty, his crabbiness, and his failure to actually bother getting a clue about anything before he opens his mouth.

No wonder you're so deeply upset that you're all over the threads with so many, many posts expressing your outrage in the only way you can handle it. Projection doesn't seem to helping you out much though, your upset is quite clear, despite your over use of gifs, memes and smilies.



Poor thing, the implosion is just too much for you, isn't it? The next few days are not going to get better for you. You hang in there, it'll be over soon.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
71. Tl;dr. Are you still going on and on about this? My dog you folks are obsessed.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:00 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe a new hobby would help, try extreme ironing or yarn bombing, I hear it helps take the edge off all that hatred.


 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
78. You're hilarious BMUS! I see you're still going strong, I gues this is why you love
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:06 AM
Apr 2016

BS so much, he ALSO fails to read things and ends up falling flat on his face!

One of us sure is obsessed, and perhaps a hobby that doesn't involve posting all day on topics you claim others are obsessed about is a good thing for you to look into?

Are those things you've tried to take "an edge of all that hatred"? Because ... well your posts (the many, many, many, many of them) don't show that they worked out well.

I wish you the very best in finding something that will help you, the projection isn't doing it.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
82. Nope, that's just you projecting again, it's hard to keep losing arguments and
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:15 AM
Apr 2016

backing yourself into corners, huh? And after such a day when your candidate was getting so beaten up and ridiculed for just failing to accept reality or stop the lying!

I can see why you're both stressed, upset and why all that projection isn't doing much for you, given the sheer volume of posts which betray your own obsession.

I'm so sorry that you're going through such a hard time and that you just haven't the wherewithal to either answer simple questions that are just so very long and hard for you to read, OR stop responding. You keep giving yourself away. While you antics are indeed rather amusing to me, they seem to only be making you ever more tense, upset and angry.


Poor thing, log off, do some of that extreme ironing or whatever hobbies you were recommending and see if that doesn't relax you and help you work through your emotions on this very difficult day.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
125. I was being nice and not pointing out your echolalia, that's when you
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:24 AM
Apr 2016

just repeat things other people say to you, like you're doing.

Yes, it is very much a fail on your part, but it's what one can expect for someone dealing with the deep emotional upset you're dealing with. All these posts, all this anger, all this lashing out, and all because of backing such a failed candidate!

I know dear, you simply cannot help your anger. Projecting, repeating things, and making false accusations is what people do in your condition.

Breathe deeply, and control that famous anger of yours. You seemed to be doing well for a little bit there, and this post shows that the anger is very much taking over.

All we can do is support you in this time of great upheaval and deep anger. Tomorrow shall be worse for you than today, and I can only hope that you do not continue on this path, I fear for you and those around you.

This is deeply unhealthy. Why are you so very angry BMUS? Who has hurt you?

sheshe2

(83,846 posts)
76. Your Gifs are all you got? Lol~
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:06 AM
Apr 2016

Personally, I don't think much of any of the popes. Yes, this one is better that most. Yet it is on record that the popes and the rule of the Catholic church hate LGBT. Hate and want to closet women. They want us subservient to the menz and advocate against birth control. They have a long history of sexual abuse that has been suppressed. Years it went on' such ugly abuse that was hidden and priests not held accountable were transferred to the next church to abuse more. The Catholic church kept their eyes wide SHUT!

I am not Catholic, I never understood their antiquated ways or their ugliness and hate, I was raised Episcopalian, I left them after high school. I am no longer a religious person.

So no, I am not jealous at all that Bernie is going there. Bernie is welcome to go where he wishes. Not a wise choice IMHO, yet his choice. Choice. The one that women strive for and are denied. Our Bodies Ourselves.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
81. Both the pope and Hillary believed that marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:13 AM
Apr 2016

At least Hillary finally got past her religious objections to marriage equality but now she wants to compromise on abortion.

When Bernie went to Liberty U he stood up for our rights, he didn't pander like Hillary.

I can see why y'all are so touchy about this religious thing.

sheshe2

(83,846 posts)
104. LMAO
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:44 AM
Apr 2016
When Bernie went to Liberty U he stood up for our rights, he didn't pander like Hillary.

I can see why y'all are so touchy about this religious thing.


Who's rights was he standing for at a RW college? Our rights???? Our Rights? Our rights, okay. I am a little scared here. What rights do we have in common with a RW school. They may be your rights, they sure are not mine.

This! This! This!!!!!!! You are so funny!!!! Lol! You are!!!!! I just told you I did not give 0ne shit about religion or Berns visit and you say
"I can see why y'all are so touchy about this religious thing.
I do believe you need to hone up listening skill or at least your comprehension skills.

My post in full not giving a shit...

Personally, I don't think much of any of the popes. Yes, this one is better that most. Yet it is on record that the popes and the rule of the Catholic church hate LGBT. Hate and want to closet women. They want us subservient to the menz and advocate against birth control. They have a long history of sexual abuse that has been suppressed. Years it went on' such ugly abuse that was hidden and priests not held accountable were transferred to the next church to abuse more. The Catholic church kept their eyes wide SHUT!

I am not Catholic, I never understood their antiquated ways or their ugliness and hate, I was raised Episcopalian, I left them after high school. I am no longer a religious person.

So no, I am not jealous at all that Bernie is going there. Bernie is welcome to go where he wishes. Not a wise choice IMHO, yet his choice. Choice. The one that women strive for and are denied. Our Bodies Ourselves.




beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
116. Why yes, I'm surprised you missed it: " The right of a woman to control her own body"
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:57 AM
Apr 2016

For someone who claims to be so concerned about our rights you seem to be quite uninformed, it was the very first thing he said after thanking his host:

And let me start off by acknowledging what I think all of you already know. And that is the views that many here at Liberty University have and I, on a number of important issues, are very, very different. I believe in a woman's rights....

And the right of a woman to control her own body.

I believe gay rights and gay marriage.





Unlike Hillary who fought against lgbt rights until 2013:





And supported a ban on late term abortions in the past:

Q: Are there circumstances when the government should limit choice?

LAZIO: I had a pro-choice record in the House, and I believe in a woman’s right to choose. I support a ban on partial-birth abortions. Senator Moynihan called it “infanticide.” Even former mayor Ed Koch agreed that this was too extreme a procedure. This is an area where I disagree with my opponent. My opponent opposes a ban on partial-birth abortions.

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.

Source: Senate debate in Manhattan , Oct 8, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm


And confirmed her willingness to compromise with the right wing recently:



I am SHOCKED that you were unaware of this.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
172. LIBERTY UNIVERSITY!!!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

You cite Liberty University as an example of Bernie's supposed support of women's rights? Are you fucking KIDDING? Or are you just nuts? Jeez!

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
200. Two words:
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:31 PM
Apr 2016

Liberty University.

Misogynist, homophobic, anti-democratic, and oh by the way...anti Catholic. What's not to like?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
201. You mean like "marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman"?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

Oh wait, my bad - that was your candidate who said that.

Bernie went to Liberty U and said:

And let me start off by acknowledging what I think all of you already know. And that is the views that many here at Liberty University have and I, on a number of important issues, are very, very different. I believe in a woman's rights....

And the right of a woman to control her own body.

I believe gay rights and gay marriage
.


I guess she has more in common with the pope than Bernie.



Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #203)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
208. One of the candiates opposed marriage equality, the other went to bat for us at Liberty U.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:01 PM
Apr 2016

It really is that simple, I don't know how else to explain it so you'll understand.


shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
213. Jury results
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
211. Because I cannot reply to hidden posts: Jury Results
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016
Reading comprehension, BMUS
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Interesting that it took over a bit over 3 hours to jury one post!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
204. Bernie Sanders to Discuss Inequality at the Vatican While Clinton Hosts a $2,700 Plate Fundraiser
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016
Bernie Sanders to Discuss Inequality at the Vatican While Clinton Hosts a $2,700 Plate Fundraiser

Rosette Newcomb
U.S. Uncut | April 8, 2016

Bernie Sanders is going to the Vatican, the seat of the Pope, the same day Hillary Clinton is fundraising with a former Goldman Sachs executive. You can’t make this stuff up.

On Friday, April 15, Bernie Sanders will travel to the Vatican to discuss the global economy and environmental sustainability at a conference on social, environmental, and economic issues, hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. Sanders will speak on his vision of a “moral economy.”

“Pope Francis has made clear that we must overcome ‘the globalization of indifference’ in order to reduce economic inequalities, stop financial corruption and protect the natural environment. That is our challenge in the United States and in the world,” Sanders said in a public statement.

That same day, Hillary Clinton will be attending a fundraiser in the global financial capital of Hong Kong, hosted by Gary Gensler, her campaign’s Chief Financial Officer. Gensler walked through the revolving door from Wall Street to Washington’s financial regulatory system. Prior to heading up the Commodity Futures Trading Commission’s (CFTC) regulation of derivative swaps, Gensler was a partner at Goldman Sachs. The fundraiser can only be attended by those willing to donate the maximum allowable contribution of $2,700.

Sanders’ visit and Clinton’s Hong Kong fundraiser will come one day after their debate in Brooklyn, and just four days before New York Democrats vote in their state’s primary. Sanders’ trip comes at a particularly critical time, as some of the states next in line to vote are also some of the most Catholic in the United States.

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-clinton-fundraiser/


Maybe it's a good thing Hillary isn't invited to the Vatican, for lot$ of reasons.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
206. Pope snubs Clinton Foundation, ouch!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:54 PM
Apr 2016
Pope Francis turned down Clinton Foundation invite
September 26, 2015

A number of high-profile notables, including Elton John and Pope Francis, turned down invitations to attend the Clinton Foundation's upcoming event in New York, according to Politico.

The foundation tried to invite Pope Francis to its glitzy Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) gathering New York, and wanted to present British rock star Elton John with an award for his work to combat AIDS, but both figures declined the invitations.

The organization has been embroiled in controversies surrounding its fundraising initiatives, and the report suggests many celebrities are trying to distance themselves from the group.

Hillary Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, is also stepping back from the group as she runs for the White House.

...

The foundation also wanted either Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen or French economist Thomas Piketty to deliver a presentation on income inequality, but both declined.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/255058-elton-john-pope-francis-turned-down-clinton-foundation-invites


I can see why this bothers some folks so much: Bernie gets an invite while Hillary can't even buy an audience.
 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
84. Come on Sheshe, BMUS is having a very difficult day. She's quite upset about it.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:21 AM
Apr 2016

You saw all of her posts, right?

She's confronted with the fact that either Bernie is a liar, as his false statements keep showing, or that he's just profoundly ignorant and didn't know any better. That's a hard thing for someone who believes so very strongly in the infallibility of a politician to deal with.
Just look at the energy she's expending to deny that truth, and take it easy on her.

Encourage her to engage in one of her hobbies, she mentioned extreme ironing, and seems to enjoy wine. She's very tense, and while she's engaging in her defense mechanisms of projection, denial etc. it's just not working for her today.

Send her a hug and wish her well and encourage her to stop the obsessive posting of numerous nonsensical memes and gifs and sad arguments and go offline and do something soothing. You know the next few days will be even harder for her, given that people are paying attention to Bernie and the silly things he says finally.

She needs our compassion.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
90. Why would sheshe have to help me? Oh dear, was that too long for you to read too?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:31 AM
Apr 2016

Really BMUS you don't need to be ashamed to ask for help if reading is so difficult for you. I was merely asking sheshe to be kind to you, since you seem to be quite upset and angry about losing arguments and the state of your candidates campaign. It's been quite rough, and you seem to be feeling the stress.

Why are you so very angry BMUS and why do you feel the need to be rude to me for asking for compassion for you when you are so clearly upset?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
124. Oh no dear, I'm not the one projecting. Simply echoing words that I"m using is not
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:19 AM
Apr 2016

helpful for your condition dear. I'm so sorry that you can only deal with the anger, hate and despair in your posts by pretending they're somehow coming from me. That's not a healthy way to deal with your anger issues.

I'm trying very hard to help you dear BMUS, despite all the lashing out you're doing.

If you'd like to be friends, I'm here for you. You're having an awful time of it, with that nasty Bernie and his wife and all those lies they're telling, aren't you?

It was okay when the press didn't question him or look too closely at what he's saying, but those mean NYers aren't playing that way are they? And that mean old Vatican's PR guy just destroyed your hope that Bernie and the Pope would get to meet, didn't he?

Breathe!

Do it now. I n h a l e ..... and e x h a l e (and repeat a few times, get some of that oxygen into that deprived head of yours, all that stress really plays havoc with your oxygenation leading to all sorts of that loopiness found in your posts)


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
128. Yes, you are, you can't even come up with your own put downs, so lame.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:30 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Whatever I say you try to turn around, it's adorable when a toddler does it but not so much now.

Maybe that's why you support the me too! candidate who only decides on a position after the polls indicate that it's politically expedient? Some folks don't have any authenticity, they just follow the herd hoping no one will notice.

Man am I glad Bernie is original and inspiring, I can see why everyone is so jealous.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
134. Oh, you poor damaged creature. You can't even see that no one is putting you
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

down, not everyone shares your anger and your need to put down others when you lose arguments!

It's adorable that you think that toddlers behave like you're doing, but no, dear, this is not how toddler act. What you're doing is a defense mechanism, used by those who think they know stuff, but don't and can't handle it when it's pointed out to them. It's why what you're doing is not what healthy grown ups do.

I'm truly sorry that your failed lying candidate, has actually been exposed as the "only me!" candidate and it's really just making you so very very angry! Political expediency when one is losing arguments and thinks no one is going to press them or question them is what failed and flailing candidates do! Authenticity and a lack of a moral compass is shown when one doubles down when caught in lies. I can see why you identify with Bernie so much, this is what he keeps doing, and people aren't buying that lack of a clue and lying outright and stomping out when asked hard questions is not authenticity or evidence of a moral compass. That's what people do when they don't possess either.

Lashing out in anger doesn't really solve the issue, it just draws attention to it. False accusations, and doubling down on lies is pretty sad behavior.

I'm so sorry that Bernie is not what you desperately hoped he was, and that everyone is well aware of that now, since he lied numerous times on air yesterday and will be held accountable for it tomorrow as well. It doesn't bode well for you, since you're ALREADY this angry and seemingly unable to accept reality already.

Projecting the Derangement syndrome is truly a desperate act, but I know why you feel the need to do it, I can see how it's affected you, and as I've been saying, I truly do pity you.

You can't even see that 100% of your posts are about tearing down your opponent, be it someone correcting your false beliefs with facts or the more qualified candidate. It must be awful when all that true belief is rewarded by blatant lies, one after another and then people come around and expose those lies!
And the lack of preparedness on the most basic of things, and not even Jane's sad, pathetic defense was enough for him to walk it back! How terrible you must feel to be reacting in this violent way!

I am truly sorry that your cross is so very difficult to bear, but trying to whack people with it isn't doing much to relieve you of your burden, is it?

Why dig in and continue with the hostility and the rudeness? Truly BMUS, does being mean and threatening people make you feel better? It doesn't seem so, since your posts never seem to have any positivism or lightness, just unrelenting mockery, snark, and abuse.

Who hurt you dear BMUS? And when Bernie fails you some more, is there someone to help you so that you do not hurt yourself or others?

I'm truly concerned about you,you sound so desperately unhappy and so very very angry! Do you have friends and family out there in the real world to hug you and help you when you need it?

Someone other than me, whom you seem to have latched onto with these many many many replies, all saying nothing but screaming for help.

How can I help you BMUS? All that anger, hate and projection seem to be having a toll on you .

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #136)

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
147. Projecting again, are you dear? Illiteracy and unwillingness to even face
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:15 AM
Apr 2016

reality are not "cute" things.

You feel better, I hope you find someone to hug, and that the anger someday finds an outlet.

Bye now, your obsession with engaging me is sweet but alas, we humans must sleep.

Rob H.

(5,352 posts)
215. S/He earned four hidden posts in this thread alone
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

And yet you're the one being accused of having anger issues? Hilarious!

Uh-oh, now I've done it: I used--*gasp*--a smilie!

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #109)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
18. Actually I am more bemused than worried about it.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

And a little bit puzzled at the lack of proportionality.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. Except you have clearly been told the issue, while writing an Op that in no way resembles what the
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:48 AM
Apr 2016

discussion is.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
41. The discussion is......
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:55 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders made a straightforward announcement, without claiming he was actually going to meet the Pope.

On the View it was the host that said it....I don't think Bernie caught that. But not awful.

Then some internal spat and turf battle between officials in the Vatican was jumped on to try and disgrace and embarrass and discredit Bernie.

Then it turned out that was proven to be totally wrong, but instead of just apologizing and letting it go, people here (and elsewhere) doubled down and started twisting themselves into pretzels to keep some kind of trumped up "controversy" alive. Fishing and looking for any angle they could find to make it somehow a bad thing that Bernie was going to a conference on social and economic justice.

It became obsessive by people who just had to fond a way to turn something basically positive into a negative.

All I can conclude that it hit a nerve.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
42. You are meeting up with the Pope. Yup.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:56 AM
Apr 2016

I am done Armstead. You and many others pretend this was not the issue. This is my one Op. How many have you had?

I am outta here.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
51. But even the vatican said it wasn't impossible:
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:05 AM
Apr 2016
The Vermont senator conceded it had “not yet been determined” if he will have a private audience with the pope during attendance at the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences on social, economic and environmental issues.

A Vatican source also confirmed they would “not necessarily” be meeting privately. “It could happen, but very well could not,” the source told the Guardian on Friday.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/bernie-sanders-vatican-visit-pope-francis

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
62. You keep spinning there, and just ignore the Pople's actual schedule.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:32 AM
Apr 2016

And the pope's spokesman who has actually stated that it's not happening.

Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's spokesman told the Italian news agency Ansa that the Academy of Social Sciences invited Sanders, not Pope Francis, and that His Holiness doesn't plan to give the senator an audience.

"For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope," Lombardi said.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/so-who-exactly-invited-bernie-sanders-to-the-vatican


Why is truth telling so hard for Bernie, his campaign and his supporters?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
64. In order for it to be a lie (like landing under sniper fire) one has to know it's a lie.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:36 AM
Apr 2016

Unless you can prove that Bernie knew he wouldn't meet with the pope it's not a lie. Even the Vatican admits it's not out of the realm of possibility.

See how that works?

Of course I realize that compared to corkscrew landings and sniper fire this is really kind of meh but you'll have to work with it.



 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
67. So you're saying that he's not a liar, he's just ignorant and uninformed?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:47 AM
Apr 2016

So you're saying that Bernie was simply so ignorant that really thought that the pope had personally invited him to an academic conference his Hillary hating buddy had convinced someone to invite him to? He truly believed that he was meeting with the pope?

You seem to be arguing that Bernie is so very uninformed and so very clueless that the poor dear keeps lying about things because he's truly deluded or doesn't have the ability or desire to read beyond headlines? How terribly presidential. That must be why he keeps on lying and keeps on failing to answer the most basic of questions, he simply doesn't know any better!

See, you made this assertion, and unless you can prove that Bernie is ignorant and far too lazy to read beyond a headline to see what was actually said before he physically quoted it in a public rally, then yes, it is a lie.

As the quote I pasted stated, the Vatican's spokesperson stated that it's not happening. Did you choose not to read that, or do I need to prove that you didn't see the words printed above, and thus are unaware that you saying things that are simply not true about what the Vatican actually said?

Yes, I see how that works, I don't think you do.


So, is Bernie a liar or is he just too ignorant, lazy and incompetent to know better? Which is it?

I mean, compared to actually reading what was pasted and providing something to support your assertion or disprove mine, all this nonsense about sniper fire is pretty much just desperate spin, right?


I look forward to seeing how you answer the argument you set up, or if you shall just deflect away as you spin desperately hoping that no one will notice that you don't quite seem to get how your own argument frame works.

Is Bernie a liar, or is he incompetently lazy and ignorant?

Do tell.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
73. Poor BMUs, hoist on your own petard! I'm so sorry you couldn't figure out that
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:02 AM
Apr 2016

you couldn't defend Lyin' Bernie by calling him too stupid to read or understand things. You backed yourself into a corner and had no clue how to get out, did ya?

It's okay, dear, run along, rest up, perhaps you'll figure out how to defend his blatant lies better tomorrow, given how he keeps getting caught and doubling down, you'll have lots of opportunities to try and fail some more.


 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
80. Oh my goodness, yet another post. Well, I've never been behind here, so is this
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:10 AM
Apr 2016

yet more advice you're wishing you'd taken for yourself?

Some where out there is a tree, that's producing O2, go find it, and breathe in, and see if that reverses the hypoxia. I'm sure Dr. House would approve.

So very many posts for someone pretending not to be obsessed and who is just too tired to read lest she be asked to answer the simple question she framed, but is too scared to answer.

Remember DEEP breaths, oxygen is good for you, and denying it to yourself only harms you.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
83. You really should take your own advice, remember we can all see your transparency page.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:15 AM
Apr 2016

You've been here a couple of months and have racked up more hides than I have in over 11 years.

Temper temper.


 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
89. But BMUs we can see yours too, and remember anyone who wishes to see
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:28 AM
Apr 2016

who I was responding to and what was being said can do so, that doesn't work out so well for you, no does it.

I was merely being nice, since you seem to be saying mean things to me in order to protect yourself from losing arguments.

Are you threatening me, BMUS? Given the content of your posts and how some truly disturbing things you've said somehow magically don't get hidden, one wonders how you managed to avoid hides in 11 years of posting in the tone that is so inimitably yours.

Is the finger wag and allusions to hides speaking to the temper you are having trouble with?

What is it that you're planning to do when you lose arguments to me? More politically based hides from your friends?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
92. Oh my goodness, so sensitive! Why I'm simply worried about you. Aw, no hard feelings, 'k?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:35 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:12 AM - Edit history (1)

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
100. I know, you do seem to be QUITE upset.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:41 AM
Apr 2016

You're worried about me now? Why, dear BMUS? I know it's been rough for you, and it's so very hard to lose arguments and have facts to face that are so very hard for you, especially when you're clinging so very hard to something that you know in your heart is simply not true.

Is that what you need dear BMUs, a hug from the right person? Who is your right person BMUS, and how shall we find them for you?

Your stress is indeed harming you and you do need it to meltaway, all these posts show that you do seem to be having a very hard time of it, no need to be hostile dear or wag that finger and rant and rave about transparency pages.

Your temper is a symptom of that stress and that anger you're bottling up.

How can we help you dear BMUS?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
111. But I'm not obssesed with you dear, you're the one who cannot stop replying, remember?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:51 AM
Apr 2016

It's unhealthy to bottle up so much anger and hate, why it might lead you to do violent or abusive things, that might harm others.

You might wish to remember that such unhealthy things will only harm you dear. Why are you so very very angry, and why do you wish to me to remember other times you were rude to me?

Are you experiencing a resurfacing of some remembered anger and harmful behavior? What can I do to help you BMUS? You seem to be so very upset and rather close to harming yourself or someone else, I'm truly concerned about you.

These many posts and these constant replies are a cry for help, and I'm offering to do so. Why are you so very very upset? Is it just Bernie's lying and his implosion, did you really hope he'd meet the pope or is it something else?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
117. Oh but you are, you were the one who responded to me, I get it you just can't quit me.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:59 AM
Apr 2016

I'm flattered, really but I have enough friends.


Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
194. Your jury results
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016



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Puglover

(16,380 posts)
196. Aw somebody has a sad.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

On Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:40 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You really should take your own advice, remember we can all see your transparency page.
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
85. It's been a rough month for them
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:22 AM
Apr 2016

Losing states badly. Missouri was just flipped, even after they tried changing the rules. And now Bernie's off to the Vatican to participate in a conference that centers on the moral responsibilities of economic, social and environmental responsibility. We know these are issues their candidate doesn't support in the same extent as Sanders or the Vatican/Pope. So of course anything positive must be negative.

The greater issue on this, they should just walk away from it. This is a fast and steady way to alienate even more voters not just now, but in the fall if she were to get the nom. Not good.

That said, I exchanged some messages with a Cruz supporters who is Catholic pro life today. She was impressed by this outreach, because these issues matter to her. They're big table discussion topics, that give us the chance to dialogue. This is good for the party, sure. Or we can look like assholes and push people further right to the extreme.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
88. It's really starting to show, they've posted dozens of threads on this today, it's bizarre.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:27 AM
Apr 2016

The last time they freaked out like this was when Capehart lied about Bernie's picture and they were caught with egg on their face.

It's like they absolutely cannot stand anything positive about Bernie being posted.

They do remind me of right wingers, that kind of hatred isn't common in the left.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
114. They should focus on the good their candidate is doing
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:56 AM
Apr 2016

Like key fundraising support from George Clooney, the Wealthy White Noise event, and the money her Campaign will rake in from Hong Kong (I don't believe she's attending that, right? Just her campaign representative). Or the roaring cheers of support Bill received yesterday for diminishing yet another BLM supporter. And Bernie rescheduling his free community rally in NYC so she didn't have to change her 1% donor events. Am I right?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
120. I don't think some have a candidate, we know for a fact that trolls come here to stir the shit.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:05 AM
Apr 2016

When all they do is tear down one candidate and never post anything positive about the person they claim to support you have to wonder if there isn't another reason.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
133. Uh so are you splitting hairs in an effort to avoid saying that you are wrong?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:45 AM
Apr 2016

I mean, if the mayor's' office calls my household and asks my husband to come in and meet the mayor, then am I a liar for saying my spouse is going to meet the mayor?

And the BBC seems to be lying for the sake of Sanders as well?

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35999269

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
139. I tried to explain that but I don't think you can reason with some people.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:00 AM
Apr 2016

This obsession to paint Bernie as a liar is Pavlovian, I've never seen anything like it.


unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
205. Yep, that's it in a nutshell
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

been reading this non-story for days. You would have thought Sander's was caught flashing on the Subway.

 

Angrydemex

(43 posts)
112. Oh please
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:53 AM
Apr 2016

Only thing you need to be worried about is Hillary leading in scandals.She has no accomplishments except in avoiding indictments. Now she wants to release all the UFO files....how about the rest of the emails first? How much is she gonna stink over the Panama connections? Or how about the speeches she's been making for Wall Street. Hold your noses folks............the Clinton cesspool is about to overflow...........here come the honeydippers...............

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
27. That pretty much encapsulates this latest half-cocked smear job.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016

I'm surprised you could find a picture that represents this fiasco, but by god you did. Perfect.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
33. When a Presidential candidate looks in the camera and states the Pope invited him for a meeting,
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:52 AM
Apr 2016

it is hardly half cocked, or a smear job.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
55. The squirrel one didn't quite capture the unhinged obsession they seem to have with this story.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

It's actually a little disturbing, one poster has posted no less than 5 ops about it.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
17. I don't have any people. I totally understand why Hillary supporters
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:45 AM
Apr 2016

Have been shifting and pivoting all day on this. It's been hilarious. And I completely understand the motivation.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
96. yes, it is strange how obsessed Bernie people are with Catholics and the Pope.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:39 AM
Apr 2016

On the one hand, they are always accusing Catholics in general and priests in particular of the most heinous crimes; and on the other, they are thrilled to pieces when Bernie (falsely) them he's been invited to speak to the Pope.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. I understand why you wouldn't want to talk about Philly
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:40 AM
Apr 2016

If my candidates spouse did that I would have some serious thoughts about dropping my support. I have done it for other candidates for similar reasons.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. Mine is the blatant lying, while looking into a national camera while talking about a religious man.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:47 AM
Apr 2016

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. Mine was her blatantly lying about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction so we could invade Iraq
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:51 AM
Apr 2016

Well we all have our priorities, I guess misspeaking about a meeting at the Vatican is just atrocious in comparison.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
47. Guess he gets a mulligan from me on this one
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:00 AM
Apr 2016

I've chosen to be ignorant about this issue for the time being, I just don't care for attacks on either of our candidates and try to avoid them if possible.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
53. Pinocchio?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:11 AM
Apr 2016

Since WaPo has ripped off the whole fact checking shtick, I have been wondering the way their scale works? If something is very truthful what does it get? No Pinocchios? Are they saying he is a liar? Are they impeaching the whole character of Pinocchio and ignoring his character arc? I for one find it very berating to Pinocchio, and the fact that the HRC camp seems to like it makes me think they are prejudice against magical wooden automatons, Pinocchiogate? Also what is the maximum Pinocchio rating?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/30/embattled-washington-post-fact-checker-admits-pinocchio-ratings-are-subjective/ *1

P.S. I hope you are happy, you all did this #Pinocchiogate



*1 Is it wrong to post a propaganda site (Breitbart) about another propaganda site (WaPo)? Propameta?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
23. There was - about 18 hours (and 50 discussions) ago. He got invited to a conference.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:48 AM
Apr 2016

SO while he is meeting at the Vatican, CLinton will be at a glamorous $$$ dinner in the Bay Area.

Win win.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
36. Yep, and now we know who will be doing what that day...seems appropriate doesn't it?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:52 AM
Apr 2016

"It will cost more than four times the average income in San Francisco to have dinner next to Hillary Clinton and the Clooneys there next month."


"U.S. presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders will head to the Vatican next week to take part in a small scholarly conference revisiting an encyclical from Pope John Paul II confronting economic issues."

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
29. Well I don't think he's meeting with the Pope, but the Pope did approve the invitation.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:50 AM
Apr 2016

He may or may not meet the Pope.

But DAMN, wouldn't that be GREAT?

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
98. Why did Bernie say he was then?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:40 AM
Apr 2016

And no, the Pope won't be there. That was just the fantasy of this morning

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
30. You must have gotten up late or you live on the west coast.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:50 AM
Apr 2016

I started my day hearing that Bernie was invited to attend a conference on social justice at the Vatican. Then he told Mika and Joe that he didn't know if the Pope would be at the conference - he wasn't sure.

Then some conference official got her panties in a wad about what, I don't know, and lied to the press about his wrangling an invitation only to be smacked down by her boss about an hour later explaining that what she said was untrue.

As it ended, what is known is that Bernie will be in attendance at the conference, which is run by the Vatican at the Pope's pleasure, and that he may speak if there's time.

Oh, and with Hillary supporters so flummoxed they've tried to tear this down all day even in the face of, well, as it turns out, nothing, proving that they're scared this visit will elevate Sanders on the international scene and with Catholics days before the New York primary.



 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
39. Now, everyone can come into this thread and pretend the lie in the Op is not right in front of their
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016

face, for the nation to see. But, it is.

Pretend anyone cares Sanders is going to a conference of scholars. We don't. Be proud he is doing it, I am all for it. But, it started as a lie.

Enjoy....

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
46. Aw come on. When you go to Disneyland, it's like you're going to see Mickey Mouse!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016

If you're going to the Vatican, and some talk show host asks, Are ya goin to see the Pope?, ya just roll with it.

His conversation with Mika et al didn't include any talk of meeting or seeing the Pope.

This is a non-story, just a talk show, the View...

No big deal here, sheesh.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
48. He said on national TV he was invited to meet with the Pope. The president doesn't "roll" with a lie
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:02 AM
Apr 2016

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
50. The vatican said it wasn't out of the question:
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:04 AM
Apr 2016
The Vermont senator conceded it had “not yet been determined” if he will have a private audience with the pope during attendance at the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences on social, economic and environmental issues.

A Vatican source also confirmed they would “not necessarily” be meeting privately. “It could happen, but very well could not,” the source told the Guardian on Friday.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/bernie-sanders-vatican-visit-pope-francis
 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
49. This is so cool, Sanders is going to speak at the vatican about inequality, What time will
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:02 AM
Apr 2016

HRC be speaking their. This should be good both our candidates speaking before the pope!

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
66. not sure what an audience participant is but, HRC will be speaking as one too? Or will HRC be a
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:44 AM
Apr 2016

headliner? This is really a big deal both our candidates giving speeches to the pope!

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
106. Bernie was the only one of all the Presidential candidates who lobbied for an invite
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:46 AM
Apr 2016

to this small theological conference.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
155. She knows that, the letter and article have been posted several times in her thread.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:43 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe we need to start alerting, some of these posts have been hidden.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
160. I have noticed the teflon approach they are using
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:20 AM
Apr 2016

I also noticed your newest "fan" ... when they are that dead set against anything you post you know you must be doing something right

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
161. Yeah, I have a crew that follows me around, they've been doing it since last summer.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:26 AM
Apr 2016

I defend Bernie by posting facts but that has a strange effect on some people. I don't lose my temper anymore, it's more fun to laugh it off and watch them fume.


 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
168. I got a crew that's been following for years
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

Point and laugh, or just plain ignore them. That enraged them. Putting them on tje span folder is even more fun. They are just incapable of understanding how kindergarten like that behavior us

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
178. I see that, there appears to be a little overlap.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

I'll keep pointing and laughing and posting memes - bullies do hate that.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
103. Bernie isn't scheduled to speak at any time. He's not among the speakers.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:43 AM
Apr 2016

He's also not among the 23 people listed as "participants." But if you read the very last page of the conference schedule, you can see him listed among six people who are "other participants." Whatever that means.

But the "other participants," including Bernie, are not among the handful of speakers, whatever they are.

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

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Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
68. Except the papal office says differently
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:47 AM
Apr 2016

You were played. According to the vatican he WAS invited to speak. The Clinton campaign blundered badly with this one.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
72. And he will speak according to tje Guardian
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:01 AM
Apr 2016

They were played, and badly.

Myself this is an exercise in political science anymore

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
158. That's sure a lot of time and money to attend an obscure religious conference
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:08 AM
Apr 2016

where he won't be a speaker and won't meet the Pope.

But great! He should definitely go!

 

nadinbrzezinski

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222. You might want to correct the guardian not me
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:07 PM
Apr 2016

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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
107. Did you see the article about how the pope turned down a Clinton invitation..
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:46 AM
Apr 2016

...to a gala for the Foundation? Many other A list people also turned the Clintons down.

So I guess they are p.o.'d.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
153. I just saw it. Jealousy is a powerful emotion. And when it turns to rage...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:30 AM
Apr 2016

Well, look at all of these threads, it's really something.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
108. Not really. The official website says they were both appointed by the Pontiff
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:48 AM
Apr 2016

and the webpage shows that the President is above the Chancellor.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/council.html

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
113. Lord, who Cares?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:54 AM
Apr 2016

who meets who? Although I think the Pope should stay out of the volatility of US politics. He didn't learn after the fiasco with that nut clerk from Kentucky, Jimmy Carter would have been a good choice.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
164. Listen, I would love to see a woman president, but not Hillary. Bernie is the
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016

best candidate I've seen in my lifetime of 65 years and I'll be damn if I will throw that vote away.

Jarqui

(10,129 posts)
227. I do not see this as some gigantic lie by Sanders:
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016

There's the invite


There's the response to the lie that Sanders invited himself
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name.


A man senior to Archer, chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social SciencesArcher is president of, tells reporters that Margaret Archer knew Sanders was invited by him. And he produced the invite.

This was backed up by a Columbia professor who helped the Vatican get in touch with Sanders
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-heads-to-the-vatican/477471/
Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University professor who is presenting at the event, said in a phone interview that he helped the Vatican reach out to Bernie Sanders in March, and he doesn’t know why Archer alleged that the Sanders campaign initiated the gig. “The academy sent the invitation, it’s pure and simple,” he said. “A lot of people in the Vatican respect him a lot. He is speaking in the same kind of moral themes that Pope Francis, and the social teachings of the Church, promote, which is a moral economy.”


In another report, Sorondo said that the Pope knew Sanders was being invited.

After Margaret Archer lied about it, the Pope may well fell obligated to meet with Sanders to make up for the embarrassment of the President of an entity associated with the Vatican lying about Sanders invitation and being called out for it by Sorondo. You know, "thou shalt not bear false witness ..", the commandment the Clintons ignore all the time ...
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
228. Because he lied about it.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

1) His supporters are completely oblivious, or completely buy-in to the hypocrisy he's displayed

And

2) He totally crumpled within hours when he was held to the same impossible standard of conduct that Hillary has been held to every day - and survived - for 30 yrs.

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
229. No ring kissing, no Popey picture for Bernie....
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

just a red eye flight to and from to a conference on Catholic Social Policy issues....where only a few presenters will present. Meanwhile Pope Francis is off to Greece to tend his flock vs the flack in Rome.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
230. Meanwhile Pope Francis is off to Greece to tend his flock vs the flack in Rome.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:57 PM
Apr 2016

I had to come back and grab this. Made me laugh as I was exiting away. That is funny. Hey, it is a developing story. Who knows what will be created. Lol. He might well get that ring kissing. But, they are not gonna tell me a fake story to get him to that ring kissing. I am gonna go off the facts. No illusions for me.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
231. No, actually. This is, first, an endorsement of Sanders' works by the Vatican.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

It's an honor, and it makes a lot of Clinton supporters sad, I think.

I highly doubt that a picture of the two of them matters to Bernie, maybe to his campaign staff but not to him.

Your snarkiness and presumption that he would is what we call projection.

Hillary would surely have looked first to having a photo op. She is vulgar that way. (other ways, too, of course)

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