Explanation for Wyoming's 7-7 delegate split even though Sanders won by double digits.

[geek tragedy]

Though there are 14 delegates, they aren't considered part of one batch. Rather, they are allocated under 3 separate categories:

8 delegates at the Congressional District Level
2 PLEO (party leader delegates)
4 at large delegates (statewide)

This seems dumb, because WY only has one CD, and it seems dumb to have pledged PLEO and generic at large two separate categories.

But thems the rules.

So each group gets allocated separately. Sanders would have had to win a huge blowout to make it matter in the PLEO or at-large delegates.

For the CD delegates, he just fell short of winning 5/8 instead of 4/8.

If you allocated all 14 as one batch, Sanders would have gained delegates--either 8-6 or 9-5.

[iAZZZo]

1. Explanation for Wyoming's 7-7

[geek tragedy]

3. I like my logical and factual one better than yours nt

[iAZZZo]

11. per favore, no capito

i don't do g(r)eek............................

[Agschmid]

20. What IS that?

[iAZZZo]

22. bill clinton enjoys campaigning before dozens in both pennsylvania and georgia

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[Agschmid]

23. So what's the newspaper picture have to do with it?

[Chan790]

50. It's taken in a prison? As is the last photo. Unsure what that has to do with del. splits in WY. nt

[CentralMass]

2. Our electoral system is a joke.

[Eric J in MN]

5. +1 (NT)

NT

[brush]

15. And caucuses and their results are the worst of it.

Wyoming with a paltry 14 delegates makes even dividing that small sum up complicated.

But I guess the only people who care about this are the Sanders supporters who still don't seem to get, with their screaming headlines that "Bernie won another one", he at best gets 1 or 2 delegates more than Hillary in these caucus states with one person per square mile.

In this case, he didn't even get that advantage as both candidates got all of 7 delegates each.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

32. Time to get rid of the electoral college and delegates

[Eric J in MN]

4. Next time, let's use the popular vote. No delegates.

The convention hall can have an audience of former campaign volunteers selected at random to watch.

The Democratic Platform can be written by 10 people chosen proportionally by the candidates.

[Henhouse]

8. Except in Nevada where Hillary won the popular vote but Bernie won more delegates..NT

[TheFarseer]

36. Wrong again

Hillary won including the supers. She's won almost every state, just ask a Hillary supporter.

[Armstead]

6. My favoritism of Sanders aside, that's ridiculous

Is it a contest to see which state can come up with the most convoluted esoteric formulas and processes?

[mythology]

10. It is a rather stupid system

And no it doesn't well reflect the caucus results. With so few delegates, it's hard to accurately reflect, but having only 8 tied to the caucus results instead of all of them makes it that much worse.

[uponit7771]

13. +1

[geek tragedy]

16. it is a dumb system, I think this a DNC thing though.

I'm curious as to why Wyoming's CD gets more delegates than overwhelmingly Democratic ones in Brooklyn.

[noamnety]

7. Thank you for the explanation. nt

[killbotfactory]

9. It also depends on if the chosen delegates show up at the next stage

That could skew the final results, but it probably won't make much of a difference either way.

[wundermaus]

12. Yea, I get it. The game is rigged.

Let's call it what it is: a racket.
Power begets power.
Nothing new about that.
This shit has been going on for thousands of years, so why change now?
Well, for one thing, everything has changed.
The curtain has been pushed aside and the powerful have been exposed.
The greed and corruption is out in the open for all to see.
So powerful and overwhelming, how could anything be done to check it?

Knowledge.
Networking.
Organization.

You know, awaking from the illusion of a false reality.
So what then?
Well, revolution, that's what.

Get ready for a paradigm shift.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - John F. Kennedy

[geek tragedy]

17. It's not rigged, these have been the rules for some time.

That doesn't make them sensible.

[dogman]

27. They have been the rules for some time because it was rigged for some time.

Each State Party makes their own rules. The leadership makes the rules so they can protect their leadership position. Any one who has belonged to any group that uses Robert's Rules or modified Robert's Rules knows that it is rigged to protect the rulers. The only way to defeat them is time and effort.
An example: As a precinct captain, my vote on critical matters was weighted by the number of people in my precinct who voted for me. The only way to increase my voting power would have been to move to a precinct with more Dems or figure out a way to replace the corn stalks with people.

[geek tragedy]

28. that's a bunch of bluster with no factual argument behind it.

how does the delegate allocation process as shown here show a bias towards anyone?

[dogman]

29. It gives 2 delegate slots to Party leaders.

How many votes does a regular delegate represent? They are in addition to super-delegates who already have that role.

[geek tragedy]

44. PLEO pledged are still determined by the vote.

PLEO unpledged are the superdelegates.

[dogman]

45. Wyoming has 18 delegates.

There are 14 delegates plus 4 super delegates.

[geek tragedy]

49. Yes nt

[Betty Karlson]

48. ^THIS ^

[bigwillq]

14. I would like to see pop vote and only pop vote decide elections

Even if this means the candidates I support never win an election ever again. Even if it means the established candidates win every election. Even if the one with the most money wins every single time.
I am a Bernie supporter, but if Hillary Clinton has the most popular votes (as she does now), she should be the DEM nominee. No ifs, ands, butts, delegates, convention, superDs or anything else.
I support Democracy. By the people. By the voters.

[brush]

18. Now you're talking! And let's hurry up and get rid of that Electoral College bullsh_t.

[Agschmid]

19. I agree about popular vote.

[Eric J in MN]

21. I agree. No delegates next time. The popular vote is democratic. NT

NT

[berningman]

24. let me help you. Clinton is a cheater. she cheater. the end.

[geek tragedy]

25. you did help me. have to go edit a list. bye nt

[WhiteTara]

26. You forgot the sarcasm thingie.

Clinton has nothing to do with Wyoming's election rules.

[Codeine]

31. Please show your work, berningman. nt

[Alfresco]

30. Thanks!

[morningfog]

33. Caucuses are silly beasts as is much of the delegate allocation process.

Through 15% super voters in and the nomination process is absurd.

It is what it is. I'd like to see major reforms moving forward.

[boston bean]

34. This is to hard for the delegate math challenged and conspiracy theorists. LOL nt

[TheFarseer]

35. So if Hillary won 56-44 (a 24 point swing)

The delegate count would have been no different? I don't buy that for one second.

[Codeine]

37. why not?

They didn't just make the rules up on the spot.

Could you explain why and how it would be different?

[TheFarseer]

39. It doesn't have to make sense

As long as Hillary wins.

[Codeine]

40. You're being absurd. The way delegates are apportioned was clear

and was followed to the letter. I don't understand your rather silly accusation that if the number were reversed the result would be different, and you obviously can't back it up.

[geek tragedy]

43. Yes. Math.

Formula for apportioning delegates:

Each candidate multiplies the number of delegates available times their percentage.

If there are 8 delegates and the vote is 55-45,

Candidate A: .55 * 8 = 4.40
Candidate B: .45 * 8 = 3.60

.40 rounds down, so 4 delegates, .60 rounds up so also 4 delegates

Math.

[reformist2]

38. Illinois also resulted in a tie in delegates, even though Hillary officially had more votes.

[TheFarseer]

42. CNN says

78-76 which seems a little out of whack based on the vote percentage, but relax because she probably won all the supers making it 104-76.

[wildeyed]

41. Very helpful.

Thanks.

[Jitter65]

46. Don't like the rules? Take it up with Bernie's campaign manager...he's responsible for them. nt

[delrem]

47. The thing is, Sanders won by double digits and it isn't recognized. Yet.

To be sure, there's something wrong with the system.

I have hope for New York, but only if the Sanders team in New York is on the ball looking out to make sure the election is fair.
If they aren't, well that says something also.

[Surya Gayatri]

51. Thanks. K & R.