Did Clinton manage to win a single county in Wyoming in terms of in person caucus supporters?

[mhatrw]

Was there even a single county in Wyoming in which the in person Clinton caucus supporters outnumbered or even came close to the in person Sanders caucus supporters?

Just wondering ...

[ContinentalOp]

1. Is there even a single county in Wyoming that would qualify as a small town in any other state?

It doesn't look like any of their counties even break 100k in population. As a Californian, I'm acutely aware that the vote of someone from Wyoming counts almost 5x as much as my vote, and yet if you multiplied their entire state's population by five they're still far smaller than the city I live in. So forgive me for wondering who gives a shit.

[GreatGazoo]

35. I prefer California raisins over

sour grapes.

[mhatrw]

2. WAS THERE A SINGLE WYOMING COUNTY IN WHICH THE IN PERSON CLINTON CAUCUS SUPPORTERS

OUTNUMBERED THE IN PERSON SANDERS CAUCUS SUPPORTERS?

Obviously not or we would have heard about it!

Right, everyone?

[FrenchieCat]

3. How many folks even showed up?

[mhatrw]

5. Almost no Clinton supporters. Not nearly enough to fill a high school stadium.

Although just enough of them seemed to have somehow managed to forward their surrogate ballots to the Wyoming Democratic party arbiters. Funny how that happened in lieu of actual caucus attendance over and over and over and over.

[malokvale77]

6. Ha ha

Seems like not many for Hillary are willing to endure an actual caucus.

It's all too funny.

[FrenchieCat]

7. If there were 14 Delegates at stake, and they each got 7.....

that is funny!

[malokvale77]

9. whoosh...

whoosh.

[FrenchieCat]

12. ...

[malokvale77]

18. Fail.

Three dots = no menu = fail.

[Lizzie Poppet]

39. And show their face to their neighbors? I can't blame them.

Who wants to, in effect, paste a sign on their back saying "I'm a low-information dupe" for all to see?

[malokvale77]

4. Not from what I saw.

They mattered in the high populace areas. That is their strategy.

The Hillary campaign can not win on the issues. The have to resort to manipulation.

[SFnomad]

8. There are a number of counties she outright won

And a number of counties where the SCDs were the same for both candidates, which means she could have won or lost by a small margin.

[mhatrw]

10. Did Clinton win a single county in terms of the number of Democrats who actually showed up today

to caucus?

Or did she rely on her advantage in surrogate votes for every single one of her Wyoming county wins?

It's a really simple question. What is your answer?

[SFnomad]

11. Oh puh-leeze

Looking at the results she won the counties, period. The results aren't broken out in your silly hypotheticals.

[mhatrw]

16. Hypothetical or reality? In the two biggest counties she "won", we know for a fact she

won only because of surrogate ballots. I am simply asking about the other counties she "won".

[SFnomad]

17. She won them ... period, that's all that matters. And that really doesn't even matter ...

what really matters is that they tied in delegates at 7 each. So all that work and Sanders didn't gain against Secretary Clinton at all.

He's running out of time and states. And after NY, it should be clear, even to the Sanders cheerleaders.

[SidDithers]

13. ...

Sid

[malokvale77]

14. Don't fret mhatrw...

The 1%ers are using the 2%ers to kill off us 98%ers.

I'll be laughing when those 2%ers are stuck doing what the rest of us have been doing for too long.

[Codeine]

15. I would hope not.

Nobody with an ounce of sense would choose hanging around one of those interminable affairs when they can cast a surrogate ballot. Why waste time and effort unnecessarily?

When given the choice I prefer the efficient solution. It would appear that Clinton supporters in Wyoming share that tendency.

[malokvale77]

19. Really?

The surrogate vote in Wyoming has conditions to be sworn to.

Convenience is not one of them.

[Codeine]

20. Then feel free to try to prove those fine folks

didn't meet those requirements. "Disability" is a pretty big term, especially for a process with some physical demands, and "job schedule" can mean just about anything to an on-call employee like myself. Does anyone benefit from tracking down primary caucus voters and demanding they explain the circumstances of their surrogate ballot? Do you think Senator Sanders would agree to that?

Personally I'm not down with denying Democrats their caucus choice, but that's just me.

[mhatrw]

21. Spoken like a true elite.

Any rules that might apply to lesser peons are only meant to be bent or broken by you just as long as you can offshore without penalty!

[Codeine]

23. Last I checked I'm quite the lesser peon myself.

Caucuses are fucking stupid. If the party allows for absentee caucus balloting with such ill-defined limits then people are going to vote that way when possible. Increased voter participation is supposed to be one of our goals.

The horror you people feel about the fact that more people were enfranchised by this rule speaks volumes about who you really are.

[malokvale77]

22. Prosperity for me but not for thee

What ever it takes?

[Codeine]

24. Yes, yes -- Democrats voting for their party

nomination is a bad, bad thing.

[malokvale77]

27. I expect nothing more from you. nt

[danimich1]

25. In Natrona County

There were about 160 Clinton supporters in person compared with around 300 Sanders supporters. But she had 220ish surrogate votes compared to 90ish Sanders surrogate votes. In the end they announced that she got 20 delegates compared to Sanders' 18 delegates. The math, frankly, seemed a little off. But there was no way to prove anything. It really was chaotic and it's not like any of us could watch them count the ballots. It's not like they proved to us how many surrogate votes there were. There were a lot of upset Sanders supporters at the end. By the time they announced the results about 2/3 of the people had left.

Interestingly, the Clinton campaign didn't have anyone there to oversee the Clinton supporters. There were a lot of Bernie organizers, though. Maybe the Clinton campaign is really good at getting those surrogate votes in. But I doubt if there were more than 30 or 40 Clinton supporters left in the end, so who knows if all 20 delegates will actually go to the state convention. Remember that Cheyenne is pretty far from everywhere in the state.

Regarding the population here, we are the least populated state with less than 600,000 people - and were the 10th largest. Everything is spread out. We are literally in the middle of nowhere.

[TexasTowelie]

26. Keep trying with the hypothetical questions

that separate the voters into two groups. It won't do any good.

Why couldn't Bernie win a single county in Alabama, Mississippi or South Carolina where they held actual primaries instead of caucuses?

Why did Bernie only win one county in Arizona, Arkansas and Georgia? Why could Bernie only win two counties in Louisiana and only three counties in Tennessee?

Why does Bernie have trouble winning in primary states overall?

[JDPriestly]

28. Bernie sure won not only in Wyoming but in Wisconsin.

Bernie is winning increasingly often because he is getting more name recognition.

Hillary won the early states because of her name recognition.

The more people get to know Bernie, the more often he wins.

That is a good sign for Bernie.

[TexasTowelie]

29. We will see how he does over the remainder of the month.

The more people get to know Bernie, the more people he scares.

[mhatrw]

30. Really? Who did he scare (other than "surrogate voters") in Wyoming?

[TexasTowelie]

31. Plenty of Democrats.

There aren't many found on DU though since they have been either been run off or left this site.

[JDPriestly]

38. Hillary's corruption is much scarier.

Check out the Matt Taibbi piece on Alternet about how she does favors for the defense industry -- gets them contracts -- and how they give her money.

It's sheer corruption, and she is the queen of it.

[TexasTowelie]

44. Personally,

I don't give the rantings of a former heroin addict much consideration. However, if you want to give it weight then that is your prerogative. His bias about the Clintons has been known for several years.

I don't believe that Bernie has much to stand on regarding the defense industry either since he repeatedly votes to continue funding the F-35 boondoggle because it provides jobs in Vermont. He also is encouraging the Sandia National Laboratories to open a satellite laboratory in Vermont. Bernie is against defense spending except when it brings money and jobs to his home state. While he may not receive any direct donations from the companies involved, I suspect that he does receive plenty of $27 donations from the people associated with those companies. There is nothing wrong or illegal about it, but believing that that he doesn't benefit from their presence borders on naivete.

[Onlooker]

32. They apparently didn't need to; Clinton scored an upset by tying in delegates n/t

[geek tragedy]

33. Someone's feelings are in distress over increasing voter participation nt

[Trenzalore]

34. You got out organized

Surrogate ballots were within the rules and the Clinton campaign used that to their advantage.

For as much as Bernie talks about revolution his team are shitty organizers.

[JDPriestly]

40. They may have been within the rules if they were turned in to the party by April 1.

Do you know whether they were?

There were other requirements for surrogate ballots.

We don't yet know whether they all qualified to be counted.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. More contempt for the older and physically challenged from the same quarters.

It harkens back to a very troubled time in twentieth century history.

[DrDan]

37. did she break any rules?

[JDPriestly]

41. That's what we need to find out.

[DrDan]

42. we need an full time field team to deal with the conspiracies alleged by the Bernie supporters

[JDPriestly]

43. I'm a Bernie supporter, and I want every single vote by affidavit checked to be sure it was

legitimate.

A primary is easier for everyone, for both sides.

With her affidavits and absentee ballots, Hillary turned these caucuses into primaries.

The voters who voted in writing did not go through the discussion process that caucuses use. They made up their minds well in advance of the voting.

The rules that I read said that the affidavits in Wyoming had to be submitted to the party or local voting office before April 1 and that they could only be used under certain circumstances, that is, if the person voting by affidavit really could not attend the caucus for one of a number of specific reasons.

We shall see how many of the affidavits were justified and timely submitted to the party.

http://voteforbernie.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/WYOMING.pdf

The qualifications for a surrogate absentee ballot are posted at that website.

We shall see whether the ballots were legally submitted.

[DrDan]

45. we shall see . . . any evidence of a single violation?

[JDPriestly]

46. I'm not in Wyoming. Each surrogate ballot is on paper and will have to be checked if an

investigation is done.

[IamMab]

47. All these pop quizzes from Bernie Sadners supporters always come with so many qualifications.

As if they know that they've already lost on the base question itself.