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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:22 AM Apr 2016

Have you seen how many NYC campaign HQ's Bernie has?

12!!

http://map.berniesanders.com

I swear last week he only had only the one in Brooklyn.

I watch where these things are added to try to get a sense of the campaign's strategy, and where they feel their strengths are. At first, they were popping up all over PA and IN, but not NY, which was a bit concerning for their perceived chances in that state.

But, in the past several days...HQ all over NYC. Sanders has gone all-in on NY!

The internal polling must be looking fairly promising!

Oh, and don't worry, he's still got a bunch in the others states; there's been more added in PA and IN, and a bunch of fresh ones in MD. Hey, DE, you've got one too now!

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Have you seen how many NYC campaign HQ's Bernie has? (Original Post) Barack_America Apr 2016 OP
What about in NY state as a whole? Eom flor-de-jasmim Apr 2016 #1
8 in the boroughs, 4 in the suburbs, and 6 upstate for a total of 18 jfern Apr 2016 #3
22 in PA(!) and 8 in IN. Barack_America Apr 2016 #4
Maybe they're planning on sending some of their New York operation to CT for that 1 week in between jfern Apr 2016 #5
Quite possibly. Barack_America Apr 2016 #6
How strong would Connecticut be for Clinton Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #10
They seem to have a lot of people who loved Joe Liebermann's side of the party HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #12
article in last thurs nytimes discusses how upstate ny is very favorable for Bernie amborin Apr 2016 #14
Yes, Hillary is not very popular upstate jfern Apr 2016 #30
Ithaca has Cornell and Ithaca College; the other areas are not really college towns; amborin Apr 2016 #31
Ithaca might need to export some volunteers. People should let them know where they're most needed. jfern Apr 2016 #32
Thank you for reminding me to send Bernie some money. nt malokvale77 Apr 2016 #2
Bernie Sanders can definitely win NY! highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #7
I absolutely agree. Barack_America Apr 2016 #8
Smoke 'em if you got 'em geek tragedy Apr 2016 #9
No. A double-digit loss is not going to happen. Barack_America Apr 2016 #11
Not a single poll shows it closer than double digits nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #13
Multiple polls show him closing 20-30 points in 3 weeks. Barack_America Apr 2016 #20
no, one bad poll showed her up an unrealistic +48 geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21
? Both Arizona and Wisconsin underestimated Sanders by ~12 points. Barack_America Apr 2016 #22
so you're 'unskewing' the polls by assuming Sanders +12? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #23
Pollsters seem to fairly consistently be missing a group of Sanders voters. Barack_America Apr 2016 #24
Independents won't be voting in NY primary. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #25
They didn't vote in AZ, and yet...Sanders still underestimated by 12 points. Barack_America Apr 2016 #26
there was only one recent poll in AZ, and it had a huge number of undecided voters. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #27
She didn't in Michigan either. Barack_America Apr 2016 #28
you and I agree on Siena. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #29
Bernie is gonna win GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #15
But will he actually campaign anywhere in upstate NY? DinahMoeHum Apr 2016 #16
Check his map. Barack_America Apr 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author DinahMoeHum Apr 2016 #18
Thanks. DinahMoeHum Apr 2016 #19

jfern

(5,204 posts)
3. 8 in the boroughs, 4 in the suburbs, and 6 upstate for a total of 18
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:33 AM
Apr 2016

Also the Erie, PA and Burlington, VT offices aren't that far away.

It looks like he has more in Pennsylvania than New York State.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
6. Quite possibly.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:43 AM
Apr 2016

It's obvious that the NYC-area is where all of the WI staff went.

I personally have zero feel for CT, I would imagine it to be fairly strong for Clinton?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. They seem to have a lot of people who loved Joe Liebermann's side of the party
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:42 AM
Apr 2016

which last I looked is the same side that HRC belongs to...

amborin

(16,631 posts)
14. article in last thurs nytimes discusses how upstate ny is very favorable for Bernie
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

HRC promised jobs that never materialized......does Bernie have a good presence there?

Schenectady, Albany, Cohoes, etc.......

jfern

(5,204 posts)
30. Yes, Hillary is not very popular upstate
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:11 PM
Apr 2016

Ithaca has a lot of volunteers. I don't know about other areas.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
31. Ithaca has Cornell and Ithaca College; the other areas are not really college towns;
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016

Schenectady is solidly white blue collar working class, old GE plant, etc....same for Cohoes, etc....we need people on the ground there.....

jfern

(5,204 posts)
32. Ithaca might need to export some volunteers. People should let them know where they're most needed.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. Smoke 'em if you got 'em
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:12 AM
Apr 2016

There's only so much a campaign office can do in one week. Sanders has money to burn and he needs to win NY.

He's going to lose by double-digits here.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
20. Multiple polls show him closing 20-30 points in 3 weeks.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

So that momentum alone suggests a close of at least 12-15 points further. Current split (even including the crappy Emerson landline only poll) is Clinton +14. And recent polling has underestimated Sanders's performance by at least 10 points, relative to the outcome.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. no, one bad poll showed her up an unrealistic +48
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

every other poll has shown +10 to +21.

There's only been 2 primaries since March 15.

Polls were within the margin of error for March 15 states.

Wisconsin I knew would be double-digits for Sanders. And I know NY will be double digits for Clinton. There's no pool of last minute voters available here, and independents won't be voting. So the polls have a much easier time measuring the electorate.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
22. ? Both Arizona and Wisconsin underestimated Sanders by ~12 points.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:08 PM
Apr 2016

According to the RCP average.

Right now Clinton is an average of +14 in NY, even including bad polls.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. so you're 'unskewing' the polls by assuming Sanders +12?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:13 PM
Apr 2016

Worked out great for people hoping for Romney win.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
24. Pollsters seem to fairly consistently be missing a group of Sanders voters.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

Independents? Young people? Men? Enthusiasm?

I figure you either try to factor this into the existing polling...or you ignore the polling.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. Independents won't be voting in NY primary.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:55 PM
Apr 2016

Polls underestimated Clinton in Ohio, South Carolina and other states.

There's no systemic bias in the polls.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
26. They didn't vote in AZ, and yet...Sanders still underestimated by 12 points.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

Will it happen again in NY? We'll soon see.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
27. there was only one recent poll in AZ, and it had a huge number of undecided voters.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:13 PM
Apr 2016

from a no-name polling company

538 didn't even have a projection for the state.

Yes we will soon see. But here's a hint: Clinton is not lowering expectations here.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
28. She didn't in Michigan either.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:18 PM
Apr 2016

The upcoming Siena poll will be very interesting.

By the way, fun conversation with you. As much as I support Sanders, I think I enjoy politics a bit more.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. you and I agree on Siena.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

their methodology is the soundest of the pollsters working NY. the others try to combine general election numbers along with primary numbers--bad idea in a closed primary state.

I expect Siena to show modest movement towards Sanders, probably +15-18 instead of the +21.

Expect to see tons of complaints here on election day--it was a mess when it was Obama vs Clinton. Confusing rules, and less than cutting edge technology in our voting system. I feel somewhat assured that they can't corrupt the results too much here, because the system is too unmanageable.

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
16. But will he actually campaign anywhere in upstate NY?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:58 AM - Edit history (1)

HQs by themselves simply ain't gonna cut it.



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