2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs Hillary too, too, too for Bernie supporters?
When you break down and dispense with all of the personal stuff, what do you find.
I'm a Bernie guy that will support Hillary in the general, should she get the nom as I expect.
I don't like when people try to label her as completely dishonest or ingenuous.
Attack her message, not the messager.
What I do think is fair and where I side with Bernie is three main topics.
I think she tends to be to be too pro-war, too pro-Wall Street, and too pro-trade.
But, I know many Hillary supporters who would disagree with me.
They see Bernie as just too liberal and too idealistic to win or ever accomplish anything if elected.
But, that is where I wish the argument would stay.
As Bernie once said, I don't care about her damn emails and I don't like seeing people on our side do any personal bashing of either Hillary or Bernie.
They are both OURS when it comes down to it and both are worlds better, in every regard, than the current unbelievably foul Republican crop.
I hope at Thursday nights debate and for the rest of the primary season we do what Jane Sanders recently said. No more disqualification type talk, keep it to Contrasting policy positions.
Signed: a humble yellow dog democrat.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)in order to never vote for her.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)but if I say the same about Bernie I get a hide?
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)Continuous war
Continuous fraud on Wall Street
Continuous destructive trade policies
All of these enrich the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton's personal
bank accounts.
#Not With Her; Never
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)So many seniors have abandoned their youthful dreams, unable to see how their support harms our country as they cling to a soulsick candidate.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Personally I want better for my Country. For my children and grand children, my wife, my sisters and brothers, nieces and nephews. Just as important for all of our families as well.
I'll trudge on with my Bernie support and continue to send him a few when I can. This will more than likely be my last hurrah. So in that vein I'll give it my all.
I'm not sure our country can stand four more years of the way things are now as it sure will be if Hill wins the whitehouse. In my View that is
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Can't get past the millions from lobbyists, all the dark monies surrounding her, her family, her campaign and her foundations.
Too much $$$$$ being used to access some influence.
Katashi_itto
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Not now. Not in November. Not ever.
If she becomes the nominee, I'll take a vacation from DU, to honor the rules.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)She is simply not honest. She says to each group what she thinks they want to hear. That is not leadership. That is pandering. It is dishonest. Which Hillary would we get as President? Proud conservative centrist Hillary, or Progressive Hillary?
Bernie went to Liberty University and he did not pander. He came straight out and said there are places we disagre, but there are places where we agree - and laid out the case. He is a leader, willing to take unpopular stands which ultimately are proven to be on the Right Side Of History.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)piss themselves in yellow fear over the GOP boogeyman? at long last, have we left no sense of decency?
ethics isn't some dorm-room online-forum abstraction, not some silly thing that exists only between our ears and can be dismissed in the name of pragmatics, it directly handles how we turn our thoughts into actions--it determines what "pragmatism's" goals are because nothing is self-evident
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/11/before_her_assassination_berta_caceres_singled
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... months ago in an OP that got more than 80 recs that Sanders non interest in foreign policy was a red flag to me that he might not be interested in shit else either.
I didn't know that non interest would be some of him main platform.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)People don't label her as completely dishonest or disingenuous. She is completely dishonest and disingenuous.
And no mention from you, an alleged Bernie supporter, that Hillary started the disqualification bullshit and has never said she would support Bernie if he is the nominee.
Buh bye, "yellow dog democrat".
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)Hillary interview on Morning Joe were the genesis.
I saw all of them.
Hillary was given three chances to say Bernie is qualified. She would not. But, she never used the exact word disqualified.
I then watched online the rally when Bernie said she might be disqualified because of certain positions of hers.
This whole thing was media created and media driven for days after.
I believe both believe the other is qualified, just not AS qualified as they are.
I do believe Hillary is qualified.
But, I believe Bernie is more qualified.
And, as a result of his policy positions, more deserving of my primary vote which he got in the Georgia primary.