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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:12 PM Apr 2016

Daily Chart: Hillary Clinton’s problem with (white) men

Even if Hillary were to actually win the nomination, there is the fact that she does terribly for the White male demographic. I am somewhat surprised that they are breaking for Bernie Sanders, since I would not have expected this demographic to be more liberal than the parties minority constituencies.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/03/daily-chart-12

TODAY, March 22nd, Hillary Clinton contests the next set of Democratic primary elections—in Arizona, Idaho and Utah—leading her rival Bernie Sanders by over 700 delegates. But her appeal among the Democratic electorate is by no means evenly spread. White men have been the most hesitant group to back Mrs Clinton in the 2016 primaries. Although black men have voted for her in droves, the party’s front-runner has rarely carried a majority of white men in states where exit polling has been conducted (the exceptions being Alabama and probably Arkansas and Tennessee). In Ohio, for example, a crucial swing state come November, only 42% of white men plumped for Mrs Clinton, down from 58% in the 2008 primary. Women, especially black women, have been more resolute in their support, despite calls from feminists earlier this year to back Mr Sanders as the better candidate on women’s issues.

This is not to say that Mrs Clinton's wilting appeal to men will hurt her in the general election. Barack Obama lost to John McCain among white men 40-60% and still won the presidency. And a lot of those white male Democrats who prefer Mr Sanders in the primaries would vote for Mrs Clinton in November (should she win the nomination). A recent poll for Washington Post/ABC News comparing Donald Trump with Hillary Clinton found that the Republican held a lead of 48-43% among men nationally, but this five percentage-point advantage was down from 15 points in September. In the latest poll, Mrs Clinton led Mr Trump by 21 points among women; she also bested him when respondents were asked whom they trusted most to handle a variety of issues including “the economy” and “immigration”, and on personal attributes such as “experience” and “personality”.
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Daily Chart: Hillary Clinton’s problem with (white) men (Original Post) TomCADem Apr 2016 OP
As the article points out Trenzalore Apr 2016 #1
This is true in presidential elections. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #2
This is why Republicans Want a Presidential Candidate to Soft Peddle Immigration TomCADem Apr 2016 #5
Agreed. The usual right wing approach is to indirectly get their hate across. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #8
This Is Why The RW Base Is Annoyed TomCADem Apr 2016 #21
+1, also HRC embodies their economic boogyman; someone they'll have to share the payrolls with uponit7771 Apr 2016 #18
The surprise is with the "minority constituencies". Yesterday's rally at the Apollo... highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #3
Excellent post. Thanks for it. Zira Apr 2016 #23
The majority of white men will vote for Trump. Beacool Apr 2016 #4
But A Significant Majority of Democratic White Men Support Bernie TomCADem Apr 2016 #7
Again, the fools. Beacool Apr 2016 #9
Who exactly are you talking about when you say "the fools?" Loudestlib Apr 2016 #14
Even if its not sexism how is these kinda number of white men voting for Sanders supposed to be... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #16
So I'm a fool and a sexist for voting Sanders? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #19
I think that many white men have fallen behind economically and socially since the 90s Henhouse Apr 2016 #10
A good part because of white and black women, she's their economic boogyman and somehow uponit7771 Apr 2016 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #6
They are not more liberal. The commonality is a woman. No surprise, still we do not elect a woman seabeyond Apr 2016 #11
Sexism fun n serious Apr 2016 #12
oh noez, white men might start voting Republican! geek tragedy Apr 2016 #13
Lol lol. I know, right? Ah ha. Hence different in votes with open caucus and not. Lol. seabeyond Apr 2016 #20
Yeap, there's that uber "progressive" strain in Sanders campaign... white men against the "others" uponit7771 Apr 2016 #15
but obama had the young. hillary has almost no millenials restorefreedom Apr 2016 #22
To Hillary's core supporters this is NOT a problem. They think they can win without white men. reformist2 Apr 2016 #24

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
1. As the article points out
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

It is the same problem Obama had in 2008. Politically speaking White men aren't as important as they used to be.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
5. This is why Republicans Want a Presidential Candidate to Soft Peddle Immigration
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

While it is fine to don the white hood during mid-term congressional races, the last thing you want is a fire breathing anti-immigrant Republican nominee who tends to mobilize the the Democratic Party's minority constituents. This is why RNC establishment is slow to embrace Trump or Cruz even though their rhetoric is pretty standard Republican talking points.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
8. Agreed. The usual right wing approach is to indirectly get their hate across.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

Trump and cruz just flat out proclaim it. Not a winning strategy!

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
21. This Is Why The RW Base Is Annoyed
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

You have Fox News and the RNC becoming more and more obvious about their catcalls to the xenophobia of the GOP's base, then suddenly, the GOP finds itself in a pickle when Trump/Cruz simply pick up where Fox and the RNC left off. The Daily Show had a great piece on this:

The Daily Show - How the F**k We Got Here - Donald Trump: The GOP's Perfect Match

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
18. +1, also HRC embodies their economic boogyman; someone they'll have to share the payrolls with
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

... where as in the 70 this was not so much.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
3. The surprise is with the "minority constituencies". Yesterday's rally at the Apollo...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

was amazing in many ways.


 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
23. Excellent post. Thanks for it.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:48 AM
Apr 2016

I've watched half so far and am taking an intermission.

Harry Belafonte looks incredible - can't believe he's pushing 90. He's also completely mentally astute. Amazing man.

Bernies is also awesome in this. I loved that he brought up that nobody in the election asked about the poor or want to talk about he poor and says he will make the poor a priority when he gets in.

I believe Bernie. I believe every word he is saying.

Back to finish watching.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
7. But A Significant Majority of Democratic White Men Support Bernie
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

Is it because that white men are actually far more liberal while women and minorities tend to be more centrist? Otherwise, what is the reason for the disparity?

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
16. Even if its not sexism how is these kinda number of white men voting for Sanders supposed to be...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:06 PM
Apr 2016

... progressive.

I have a real problem with a non mix of people voting for one dem candidate and then calling it anything progressive

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
19. So I'm a fool and a sexist for voting Sanders?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

That's ok. I think you have a character flaw based in self-loathing, as you're supporting someone you already know has lied to your face numerous times.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
10. I think that many white men have fallen behind economically and socially since the 90s
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

I think that is why both Trump's and Sanders' populist message is resonating with white men....

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
17. A good part because of white and black women, she's their economic boogyman and somehow
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

... them voting for Sanders because of it doesn't seem to be progressive at all.

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. They are not more liberal. The commonality is a woman. No surprise, still we do not elect a woman
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

because men don't wanna.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. oh noez, white men might start voting Republican!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

oh wait, they do that in huge numbers every election.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. Lol lol. I know, right? Ah ha. Hence different in votes with open caucus and not. Lol.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

Just too funny. In a sad and pathetic way.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
22. but obama had the young. hillary has almost no millenials
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:57 PM
Apr 2016

never did, never will.

she can't do badly with white men and millenials and indys and think she is going to win a ge

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
24. To Hillary's core supporters this is NOT a problem. They think they can win without white men.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:51 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe they can, maybe they can't. But it's a risky proposition, writing off 35% of the electorate.
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