Unbiased fact: A Hillary presidency would cost us control of congress for a decade.

[BillZBubb]

If she wins the presidential election in spite of her lofty negatives, it would only be because the republican nominee was too vile to contemplate.

Then in the 2018 midterms, with her status quo presidency and the republicans feasting on revelations about the Clinton Foundation, her negatives are through the roof. The republicans gain a near record number of house seats and a sizeable majority in the Senate. A rout of near historic proportions.

[yallerdawg]

1. "Unbiased Fact"!

Did you just get back in your time machine?

[Kelvin Mace]

3. I believe he is jabbing a thumb at another post

claiming that a Sanders victory would cost us the Senate.

[yallerdawg]

7. Oh, OK!

It's GD-P!

Jab away!

[BillZBubb]

12. Yep, you caught me!

[Buzz Clik]

2. Copy cat thread.

[tonedevil]

60. Equally..

unbiased posts each with different facts. This OP is just trying out a new trope Secretary Clinton's supporters presented us.

[Blanks]

4. It's just more fun around here every day. eom

[PowerToThePeople]

5. It all depends

on what the unbiased definition of unbiased is.

Thank you for the thread

[BillZBubb]

15. Exactly. To some, unbiased facts strangely coincide with their very biased opinions.

Funny how that works.

It's so easy to make up unbiased facts.

[Bjorn Against]

6. If she wins then we are going to need to find a primary challenger for 2020

2020 is a census year and the elections will determine how Congressional districts are drawn. We absolutely need a candidate that will get people enthused about voting in 2020 and Hillary is clearly not that candidate.

[Zira]

24. She won't win. If she wins the nom she won't win the GE. The enlightened masses, I mean the

independents, cant stand her corruption.

[anigbrowl]

37. How much are you willing to stake on this opinion?

I'm fascinated by the firmness of these GE predictions and would like to invite people making them to enter into a wager as I have a preference for easy money.

[timmymoff]

44. Hillary has a preference for easy money as well.

That is one of the reasons her negatives are so large.

[apcalc]

27. Enthusiasm among her voters 55%

Sanders voters 45%

Look it up

[BillZBubb]

41. Oh Geez! Another unbiased fact!

[VulgarPoet]

52. Source or sit down.

[SFnomad]

34. And Secretary Clinton having more votes than any Primary Candidate (R or D) clearly shows the lack

of enthusiasm ... eh? If that is lack of enthusiasm ... what does it say about the other candidates?

[pantsonfire]

35. Primary isn't over, plus she won the popular vote in 08 and still lost....n/t

[SFnomad]

38. This isn't 08 and that's not going to happen again n/t

[pantsonfire]

39. Probably not, time will tell...n/t

[StevieM]

45. Although I disagree with your assessment I will take you up on your offer.

If Hillary wins the nomination you should vote for her in the 2016 general election.

If you still don't like her four years from now then you can vote against her in the 2020 Democratic Primaries.

And if Hillary wins the White House her popularity will fluctuate throughout her presidency, just like with every other president. And if you are thinking that Hillary is somehow different, bear in mind that Hillary is the ultimate example of a politician whose popularity has fluctuated wildly throughout her career. Her numbers were through the roof when she was Secretary of State.

[Bjorn Against]

49. That is not my offer, I will not be voting for her in 2016

[mythology]

47. So why is she winning the pledged delegate count and the popular vote?

If she's so unpopular and nobody is enthusiastic about voting for her, why is Sanders so far behind?

It's really a rather silly argument to be making from the perspective of supporting Sanders.

[JoePhilly]

50. Yea, cause that worked so well in 2012.

[RandySF]

8. As much a I love Obama

We still lost the House and Senate because the people who expected unicorns didn't bother showing up in 2010 and 2014.

[pantsonfire]

9. Clinton's delegates are not showing up for the county conventions.

Hillary doesn't have a better chance of dealing with a Republican congress to be the "progressive that gets things done", she'll move to the right (mostly on economic issues) if she has too to get things done. Thinking she will be better prepared to deal with a Republican congress is hogwash.

[RandySF]

11. Bernie can't even deal with an editorial board without his wife whining

[pantsonfire]

14. .....

[BillZBubb]

17. I always get a kick out of that one!

[StevieM]

42. That only happened in Nevada where they were sent letters telling them not to show up. (eom)

[Stallion]

10. The Democratic Leaning "independents" Have Been Depressing Obama's Favorables for Years

usually using words like "disappointment" and "compromising" despite unwavering obstructionism from the Republicans. Many don't understand the mechanisms of Congress and what is and what is not politically achievable. I'd rather fight my battles facing bullets from known enemies than getting shot from the rear by our "friends" among the left leaning Independents

[RandySF]

13. So they solved by letting Republicans take over

[BillZBubb]

19. Oh, the condescension! They just "don't understand"!

Yeah, they're just a bunch of dumb lefties.

Wrong, they understand fully.

[pantsonfire]

32. We have to do more research!

I can't though because my smartphone is dead. I'm lost.

[Bjorn Against]

16. Who exactly expected "unicorns"?

I am asking that question literally, please cite me a person who literally asked for unicorns.

Because if you are not actually talking about unicorns but are instead dismissing issues that are seriously important to people as unicorns then maybe you should ask yourself how you can expect those people to vote for your candidate.

People like you who don't listen to potential voters and dismiss people's concerns as if they were fantasy are a big part of the reason people don't show up to vote.

And before you ask, yes I did vote in every election since I turned 18 but I am also able to understand why so many people are turned off from Democrats when I see the type of arrogance you just demonstrated.

[Maedhros]

18. Hillary does not inspire voter turnout. Bernie inspires record turnout.

Which is better for Democrats?

[BillZBubb]

21. To be fair, Hillary has gotten more total Democratic votes in regular primaries.

[Maedhros]

23. But nobody is showing up because of Hillary.

Bernie is packing in new voters that might come in handy in the General.

[BillZBubb]

26. That reminds me of a Yogi Berra comment:

"That restaurant was great. But then it got popular and is always packed. So, nobody goes there anymore".

I think people do show up because of Hillary. A lot of Democrats really like her. Her problem is that independents don't like her.

I agree, Bernie can bring in more new voters and expand the appeal of the party.

[mythology]

48. I need more hands to properly face palm this comment

What exactly are her voters showing up for? Are they giving out free burritos with every vote? I can't get my head around how stupid this contention is. It is mind-boggling. You seem to think that Clinton's supporters are accidentally showing up at polling places and accidentally voting for her or something.

[Maedhros]

62. She's not bringing in new voters. Bernie is. Pretty simple. [n/t]

[Zira]

25. Not in the last 9 states. She got the most votes from people who early voted

Anyone who shows up day of is massively against her. That means people have woken up to her.

Remember Bernie was getting no press for the last several months while the corporate media only showed the Republicans and their corporate bought out queen.

[apcalc]

28. Pretty weird that

She has 2.5 million more 'uninspired turnout' voters than he does, eh?

[Maedhros]

64. I think it's pretty weird, myself.

Never did understand voting against one's professed interests, but there it is.

[athena]

57. Hillary's supporters have work and responsibilities.

We don't have time to go to rallies. We do, however, vote, which is why Hillary is ahead by more than two million votes.

Or do votes not count when they're for Hillary?

[Maedhros]

63. New voters are important. Bernie is bringing them to the polls. Hillary is not. [n/t]

[Tarc]

20. I love these B-grade, wholly uninformed screeds

They're like the last few leftover Cadbury Creme Eggs sitting over on the Tarc Family living room table. So good, so irresistible. Like precious, precious gold nuggets that one must slowly savor to derive maximum enjoyment.

So please, by all means...as Jon Stewart used to say..."GO OOOOOOOOOOON"

[BillZBubb]

22. I wonder if you made the same comment on the inspirational thread?

This screed is very informed, but unbiased and fact it is not.

[DanTex]

29. LOL. Someone's been reading them some HA Goodman!

[pantsonfire]

31. He has definitely had some of the Kool-Aid...

It's like our Fox News Reporter for Bernie, though I like what he writes, I take it with a tablespoon of salt.

[pantsonfire]

30. I don't know about a decade, she still has to win this and her possible reelection in 2020.

Hopefully in 20/20 we can see more clearly what Bernie has started (if he loses).

[IamMab]

33. Progressives in 2010 already accomplished that. nt

[anigbrowl]

36. You certainly think highly of your own opinions

This is about as much of an unbiased fact as my snack preferences

Funny how your 'argument' takes no account of Congressional term lengths or the 2020 census and subsequent automatic redistricting.

[BillZBubb]

40. Funny how you missed the joke.

Well, probably not so funny. Hillarybots, for all their laughing emojies have as much a sense of humor as she does: NONE.

[pantsonfire]

46. They like to use these a lot...

and

[BillZBubb]

51. Well, what else can they do when they don't have a defense?

[Skwmom]

43. She doesn't care. The corporate Republicans will help pass her agenda. n/t

[Orsino]

53. Doesn't follow. n/t

[BillZBubb]

55. Actually it does.

It follows a post with a similar title claiming if Bernie is the nominee we cannot regain control of the Senate. My post was just as unbiased and just as factual.

[Orsino]

58. Ah, thank you.

If I'm not going to track all of our clown slap fights, I ought to be careful about commenting.

[Demsrule86]

54. Obama cost us Congress

And I am still not sorry I voted for President Obama...who saved our economy and gave us health care. Bernie has to win a primary if he does so he will be the nominee...but it looks like he won't.

[ibegurpard]

56. Obama did NOT give us healthcare

He gave private insurance company middlemen taxpayer subsidies to sell people insurance.
Please stop lying about that.

[Demsrule86]

59. He signed the bill

that allowed my daughter and others with pre-existing to have health care...she would have had none without it...Nancy Pelosi sacrificed her majority to pass it. It is the first time we have health care and something to build on. My daughter broke both her ankles in August...do you think a doctor would have set them much less do the surgery if she had no health care? Obamacare is not perfect, but it has helped millions of people and there is no alternative that can get though congress.

[Betty Karlson]

61. K&R for truth