So now we oppose the phrase corporate whore more than the fact?

[Bonobo]

Some people need to check themselves and examine what they really stand (or lie down) for.

[monmouth4]

1. I thought it was a fitting description ..n/t

[m-lekktor]

10. It is. nt

[TCJ70]

2. The "win at all costs" party doesn't care about standards...

...only winning. Why hold any solid beliefs when making them out of jello allows for better "evolution"?

[Dragonfli]

67. Hilary's entire mindset the last 20 years in just two songs (listen to them, it is also good music)

The first is a win the presidency at all costs tactical analysis, a goal that I believe she sarted over 20 years ago beginning with carpetbagging a Senate stepping stone resume' builder to what I believe was a negotiated appointed post required to get her on board with Obama after the primary (in lyrics) and musical dramatization.

The second, her Doug Coe cult "christian" religion based on money and promoting the wealthy that she has proven herself on re policy.

If you disagree in part or in whole , talk to me as I'd like your take.

[onehandle]

3. Strettttttttttttttttch. nt

[Agschmid]

5. Yup.

Is it the 7th inning?

[DanTex]

4. Personally, I think it's great that the Bernie campaign is stooping to this level.

It clears up any misconceptions that people might have had.

[think]

11. What do you think about corrupt politicians who sell out to corporations?

[DanTex]

18. You mean Bernie and the gun industry? Not so great.

[think]

20. Pull them blinders tight Dan. Don't let any sunlight get in....

[DanTex]

21. I didn't force Bernie to vote for that corporate giveaway.

[think]

23. Goldman Sachs ADMITTED ripping off there clients. That's the kind of people Hillary works for.

[DanTex]

24. Change of subject, huh? Yeah, Bernie fans don't like to talk about the NRA.

[think]

32. Hillary has taken millions from corrupt banks. Bernie hasn't taken a dime from the NRA

and gets a D- minus for a score.


Hillary on the other hand supported Alison Grimes for Senate. Alison Grimes opposed the assault weapons ban. Grimes is a card carrying member of the NRA.

Funny how Hillary doesn't care about the NRA and the assault weapons ban when she's supporting other candidates..

[DanTex]

37. He just loves the NRA and the gun industry because he thinks they represent the best of America.

[think]

45. Now you're just being stupid. Bernie has never said anything like that and you know it.

Hillary on the other hand has taken millions income from 7 of the 14 banks who being sued for rigging interest rates.


This is your candidate. The one who takes big pay days for speeches to banks that rig interest rates and rip off their clients.

[DanTex]

47. There's got to be some reason that he voted for that horrific NRA giveaway.

[think]

51. There has to be a reason Hillary supported Alison Grimes who opposed the assault weapons ban

What could it be?

Maybe she cares less about the gun issues than she's willing to admit?

[DanTex]

53. Change of subject again, huh?

[think]

57. The subject guns. Here's Hillary's robocall letting people know Obama is going to take their guns

Hillary doesn't care about guns. It's just an issue she's willing to play both sides of the fence on.

[DanTex]

58. The subject is Bernie's vote for the NRA giveaway. Hillary voted against that.

[think]

60. The original topic is corporate corruption. Did you forget that you already changed the topic?

[TheKentuckian]

93. What "giveaway"? The amazing bribe of nothing but not being subject to dumbass nuisance lawsuits

in a vain attempt to end around the failure to pass the ban of an enumerated right?

Sometimes one can stretch the truth so far it just turns into a plain old lie.

[beam me up scottie]

34. Except Bernie never took a dime from the gun industry while Hillary took millions. Facts are hard.

[DanTex]

38. He voted for a corporate giveaway to the gun industry.

[beam me up scottie]

41. He never took a dime from the gun industry, in order to be a corporate whore you have to get paid.

He believed it was wrong to use SLAAP lawsuits to bankrupt and punish manufacturers and dealers who obeyed the law.

Keep digging, you're only making your candidate look worse.

[DanTex]

43. Guess he just shares the NRA/gun industry ideology then. Good thing he's losing.

[beam me up scottie]

48. Nope, just common sense and reason. Keep digging. Why was Hillary paid millions?

[timmymoff]

75. Yes, some seem to think she isn't a corporate whore

and the others know exactly what she is.

[Recursion]

6. Gendered and patriarchal and classist language... not really what we need

Though even just from a purely horse-race standpoint I think the Sanders campaign really needs to process the fact that the word "corporate" isn't remotely as bad a word to most of the country as it is to Sanders's base.

[Else You Are Mad]

7. Simply put yes.

Because if there is outrage about the term, that 'controversy' shadows the significance of what was said and everyone just focuses on the term whore and no one looks into how there are paid for politicians that don't care about their constituents just big corps.

[jillan]

8. Estimate of 48k people there. If the haters want to concentrate

On one sentence from one of the many speakers that were there FCK them.

What else are they supposed to say? This rally plus Bernie's huge endorsement today plus Bernie standing with the Verizon employees that were on strike they should be feeling a little nervous.

Let this talking point sink.

[Renew Deal]

25. In a city of 8 million

And a region with far more

[NorthCarolina]

50. Besides that, Hillary drew a crowd of...err, ummm.. a crowd of...

<scratches head> umm.... damn...forgot; how many did she draw again? Can someone remind me? It had to be ASTRONOMICAL I know because she's the undeniable front runner and all but official candidate for the Democratic Party so therefore EXTREMELY Popular. Just not sure why I can't recall her gigantic Bernie beating rally attendance. The number must have been so large it boggled my mind and I forgot.

[frylock]

86. Herp derp 2.5 millionses mores votes derpy derp!!1

[whatchamacallit]

9. Just thinking the same thing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511726614

[reformist2]

12. We have called male politicians whores for centuries. We can call women politicians whores too.

[Kip Humphrey]

14. Alternate: Corporate Socialist.

[beam me up scottie]

15. Yes. Selling your body isn't immoral, imo, selling out your constiuents is.

I think the wrong people are offended by this comparison.

[Beartracks]

16. Hillary's not a pearl-clutcher. Why are her fans?

A bunch of noise about nothing.

Again.



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[guillaumeb]

17. Yes. Because the phrase is like a mirror that reflects far too many

politicians from both parties.

[riderinthestorm]

19. Yup, the prudes are in a snit. nt

[arcane1]

22. Are people pretending it's a sexist term now, and faking their offense at it?

I shouldn't be at all surprised.

[Bonobo]

26. The more ridiculous of the bunch are even using asterisks! LOL! nt

[arcane1]

27. This is getting embarrassing. I'm calling myself Canadian from now on.

[mindwalker_i]

40. Asterisks?! Holy Baby Jesus on a pogo stick!

C'mon give 'em a break. They've all got shaken baby syndrome from following Hillary through all her "evolutions."

[ecstatic]

28. He said "democratic whore," not corporate.

BTW, I'm sure the superdelegates will just love this latest round of attacks coming from Bernie's camp, in addition to the threats and harassment they've already received.

[Bonobo]

30. Which word are you in opposition to?

By the way, the person who said it apologized for the term.

But I still am not sure what the bee in your bonnet is, the term "whore" or the connection with "democratic".

[ecstatic]

42. This is election season. The RW is already attacking democrats--what we don't

need is for Bernie's camp to pile on. If Bernie hates democrats and views us as whores, then he should have ran as an independent.

[Bonobo]

49. Sorry, that speaker should have said #somedemocraticwhores. nt

[ecstatic]

54. Or he could have shown a little class.

What type of person uses that kind of hateful language at a rally full of children?

[Bonobo]

55. Well, okay. He apologized. Should that end the issue?

Yes.

Will people here on DU talk about this for the next two days, feigning outrage and demanding that Sanders himself apologizes?

Yes.

[Luminous Animal]

72. He said Democratic CORPORATE whore. There is a distinction. Lieberman, a Democrat at the time

was called a corporate whore over and over again on DU.

[ecstatic]

73. That was a looong time ago. Hell, Elizabeth Warren was a republican

back then. A lot has changed since then.

[Luminous Animal]

74. So, we've voted out all the Democratic corporate whores? All of our elected Democrats are

on the side of the 99%? None of them pander for corporate campaign cash?

Great to know. Lieberman. The last great Democratic corporate whore.

[frylock]

87. Corporate Democratic whores.

If you're going to correct someone, maybe try and get it right yourself, kplzthx.

[Dem2]

29. Corporate Democratic whore

[TCJ70]

46. In regards to point #2...

...it's not like corporate whoredom is limited to one party. Do you think it is?

[Dem2]

61. I should have noted that John Aravosis made those comments

I do agree that the comments weren't advisable, though I'm personally not offended.

[Bonobo]

52. Let's take a look at the actual issue, may we?

The Democratic Party is also infiltrated with money-seeking, for-hire scumbags that sell out the people in order to raise money to keep their cushy lifestyles.

Can we please deal with that and recognize that THAT is what is more important than castigating people for use of some words.

[Dem2]

62. He could have done a better job choosing his words

It reeks of inappropriate language and the instantaneous explosion on Twitter confirms that a better choice of words was probably a good idea.

[Bonobo]

63. Fine, he apologized. He was one guy, uttering two words out of an entire rally.

Can we keep on eyes on what is important?

[Dem2]

65. It was an awesome rally

My kid was there - it's how I confirmed who had said it and I even got a picture of him sent to me. They knew right away who had said it - it's the kind of thing that you remember. I was disappointed that I even had to ask about it, it was a great experience for my kid.

[Bonobo]

66. I am sorry that your kid was exposed to that. Sincerely.

But it is a wide world, with people of different ages.

Most experiences are good ones, even things like this, as long as there is an awesome parent or guardian (you sound like one) to guide them in how to "digest" the experience.

[Dem2]

70. I told my kid about the rally

I thought the experience would be good. They waited for 8 hours but got a good spot - 3rd row!

Here's an exclusive photo from a future political activist

[frylock]

88. The instantaneous explosion on Twitter was spawned by a propaganda organ..

of the Clinton campaign. Pure astroturf.

[Dem2]

89. Link?

[frylock]

91. link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511727572

[Dem2]

92. That's just hearsay from conspiracy theorists

MSNBC reporter Alex Seitz-Wald first reported that a speaker at Bernie’s Washington Sq. Park rally on Wednesday referred to “corporate Democratic whores.” The outrage was immediate. By Thursday morning, #DemocraticWhores was among the top trending Twitter hashtags

If you have some sort of time stamp proof that your boogie man Brock had started it before anybody else, I would be happy to look at it.

Also, the idea that somebody in the media capital of the world could say that in front of tens of thousands of people and it not become an instant story with all those people and their telephones is kind of ludicrous, don't you think?

[frylock]

95. It's weird that that trending tag left out a key word.

It's almost as if someone is driving the narrative.

#CorporateDemocraticWhores

[Dem2]

96. Moving the goalposts?

Can anybody answer a question here without a conspiracy theory or a logical fallacy?

[frylock]

97. Merely an observation.

Can any Hillary Supporter not misrepresent what anyone says ever?

[dchill]

31. We all must defend those who are most important to us...

regardless of their profession.

[QC]

33. Kinda like the way it's worse to point out an antisemite around here

than it is to *be* an antisemite.

[Bonobo]

36. Yeah, a LOT like that. nt

[beam me up scottie]

39. Oh indeed, you noticed that too?

This faux offense is really pathetic, at least I hope it's fake.

[riderinthestorm]

44. +10000 nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Yup

[bettyellen]

90. has always been like that here for any kind of sexism or racism.

[Joob]

56. Corporate Whores of Wallstreet, can be men or woman. They sell themselves for profit to

corporations.

[ozone_man]

64. Yes! Is there a word other than whore to use?

The problem is that, while corporate Democratic whore may be an accurate description of her behavior, it allows a diversion from talking about the issue.

[pat_k]

59. Use of term at any candidate's rally is very poor judgment.

I wish Paul Song hadn't used the term.

Mainly, the use of the term at a candidate's rally is so unfortunate because it is likely to end up being "the story," and a big distraction from what matters.

It was bad judgment and poor taste, but I don't actually see it "hurting" Bernie. I don't think the use of the term will cause many people to be genuinely outraged. And the ones fomenting all the supposed "outrage" are already voting against Bernie.

Paul Song has apologized. I wasn't familiar with him, but it looks like he has been a positive force. (e.g., executive dir. courage campaign https://www.couragecampaign.org/who-we-are). I'd cut him some slack.

[TM99]

69. Hell yes, I will cut a medical doctor on the

front lines here in America during our medical crisis.

We are the only civilized nation with out medical care for all of its citizens. We have an insurance mandate that raises rates and still millions are without coverage and care. We have a pharma industry that charges Americans many times over what a drug is costing those outside of our country. We are rapidly degenerating into a third world nation with the state of our healthcare and the ill health of our citizens.

Why are we like this? Because of the fucking corporate whores in both parties. Yes, they are in both parties.

I wish he had not apologized. Instead I wish he or someone would say hell no I am not apologizing. I will not apologize for you taking offense at a damned word and not being offending by the state of medical care and medical costs in this country.

[bjo59]

76. Paul Song's speech was absolutely fantastic and absolutely right on.

[Waiting For Everyman]

77. Exactly! Really ironic, isn't it?

Common sense is so lacking today.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. Whaddaya want? The Vatican outrage cycle ended

this will keep em busy for another 72 hours or so.

[Kalidurga]

79. I hope you are right.

I am really loving throwing the term Corporate Whores around.

[felix_numinous]

80. No true liberal would ever use the world whore

to degrade a woman, and it is the LOWEST kind of tactic to try to drag us through some elaborate self diagnostic making sure we're PC enough, coming from such a corrupt source. Screw that.

Shaming the left on being PC hits us where we are vulnerable because WE CARE that much to pause and look in the mirror to check ourself, and they know it!

[joshcryer]

81. What action has Clinton done that makes her a corporate whore?

In particular, what has she done different from men in government?

The US, by its nature, is corporatist, read the Federalist papers, Hamilton won the debate over Jefferson.

To use the word "whore" in this context is a practice in either ignorance or sexism. I expect the former because most people using this charged language wouldn't know our history for shit.

[Prism]

82. I'm starting to question Feminism 101

Because the idea is that women should be treated equally as a man. We call men corporate whores all the time. If Hillary is referenced as such, she is receiving what her male peers do. Equality!

Those who disagree say that Hillary should not receive the same treatment as her male counterparts.

After many years of feminist thought and theory, I'm trying to figure out how the very first sentiment of Feminism is not understood.

Clinton is being treated the same as her male counterparts. This is a success!

But now it isn't.

Hmm. I don't think education sticks all the time.

[ibegurpard]

83. the corporate whores do

[DesertRat]

84. Whore" is a gendered sexist misogynistic slur. nt

[mhatrw]

85. Some people just have a whorrible sense of relative significance. nt

[TheKentuckian]

94. Well...if you can't defend the actions then you're left to quibble about them being defined.

Actually, it is a bit off base. Afterall, they are selling our asses and only leasing their's in the process.

Pimps and slavers is actually more fitting for this particular class of dumpsterfire souls.