2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie's introducer went there. He called out Hillary -- and immediately referred to
"democratic whores."
This is nothing less than hate speech against a woman candidate.
Young people are used to hearing this word used loosely. But Bernie knows that when women over 40 were growing up, this word had only one meaning. And that meaning in itself was a gendered slur against women who either had become trapped in the sex trade -- or who simply engaged in sex as freely as many men did.
But Bernie thanked his introducer for his words.
This underhanded slur is despicable and both of them should apologize. But I don't expect many of his youthful supporters to understand how deeply offensive his use of this word is, in the context of discussing his woman opponent.
ON EDIT: There exist perfectly good English language words with the same meaning as "corporate whore" that don't carry the misogynist toxins of the word "whore." They include the words "sell-out" and "shill." If that's the point you're trying to make, use those words instead and you won't be dipping your pen into toxic misogynistic ink.
http://bluenationreview.com/speaker-at-bernie-nyc-rally-refers-to-corporate-democratic-whores/
UPDATE: BNR has reviewed the speech delivered by Dr. Paul Song. Song was clearly speaking about Hillary Clinton before he spoke these words:
Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma.
Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. [boos] Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. [cheers] Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores [cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.
The inference is hard to avoid.
UPDATE 2: Bernie thanked (yes, thanked) the speakers who introduced him for their great introductions including Dr. Song, who referenced corporate Democratic whores and Hillary in the same context.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)You should be so proud!
brooklynite
(94,599 posts)Melissa McEwan @Shakestweetz
The speaker who used "corporate whores" at Sanders event is Dr. Paul Song; here's a transcription of the full quote.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)that you condone our Democratic front runner, a woman, being called a whore? Spin it anyway you wish, that is exactly what they said.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)but a whore for corporate money. Stop shedding crocodile tears, she got called out for her taking money from corporations, own it, we've been telling you this for months.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)As a two time former Democratic Nominee for a U.S. House seat, I received "The $$ Offer" to quote "Play Ball"
with The Pharmaceutical Industry from a D.C Pharmaceutical Industry Lobbyist by the name of Ken Freeman. The offer was as follows, "My First Name... If you're willing to play ball with the pharmaceutical industry we'll get you all the contributions that you need..." I replied, well if I did the same thing as my Republican opponent, where would my credibility be? I am btw a proponent of Medicare for All... I'll save the rest...
Had I accepted that offer to "play ball," with Big Pharma... I would have been a POLITICAL WHORE... Selling my advocacy and vote in congress for policy that was targeted at benefiting my benefactor... Big Pharma... at the expense of the people... At YOUR expense. So IF there was an analogy in Bernie's introduction, it was entirely valid.
Political benefactors "invest" in pols who "PLAY BALL..." WITH and FOR... THEM!
I the case of this Presidential Primary, it is clear who "Plays Ball" and who does not... So sorry... Facts/Truth are NOT negative campaigning! Bernie was correct in his congratulatory remarks for his introduction because the context of those remarks was ENTIRELY ACCURATE AND LEGITIMATE. Hillary has earned every shot that comes her way.
Tomorrow's debate will leave some scars and likely as not Bernie will come away quite clean and Hillary... ahhh... not so much.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)claimed that Bernie had said the WHORE word. Not that it would be a problem. A thing is a thing. Like a lie is a lie.
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Please advise.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)You're personal qualms aside, you're allying with a known sexist on this.
Uhm, hypocrite much?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)is just as slimy -- and HE thanked the speaker who used the slur.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)What transparent cheesy hypocrites.
rock
(13,218 posts)On that one point.
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morningfog
(18,115 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)"I think it's time I run as an independent after all."
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)According to NYPD. That's what's really bothering you.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Standing in line for 8 hours to see Sanders at some arena is a badge of honor.
Waiting 2 hours to vote in a primary is "voter suppression" and "election fraud."
You guys crack me up.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)and aren't getting paid. Shouldn't take that long anytime.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)with that kind of enthusiasm. It must really suck for you.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)And rearing children to spend hours standing in line. We are no less enthusiastic.
LuvLoogie
(7,011 posts)Rush home to meet kids getting off bus, homework, dinner, bedtime, more work from home trying to get ready for next day, laundry, dishes--five days a week.
Saturday art class for oldest daughter, wife is a florist so working Saturday 's sometimes 20 hours, me with the kids. Sunday family day. Monday..... Tuesday VOTE after or be fire work... Go to work or cook dinner.
No time for Berning Man or his phoned in Revolution.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)That broad brush mist be difficult to carry.
Bernie has a greater hold on 40 and under. Hillary has 50 and above. In the 40-50 range they are pretty well split. Given that most of our families are going to land in the 30-50 range, I would venture to guess that Bernie probably has a fair share of those younger families with less flexible lifestyles. In comparison to majority of the Hillary families who would more than likely carry the lion share of the Bernie Millennials (OMG the irony).
Wait a minute, I just figured it out. You're pissed that your kids are rebelling against you.
Got it. Carry on.
LuvLoogie
(7,011 posts)however, who are stone Bernie Bros. They both are constantly posting anti-Hillary memes. My brother called Hillary a carreer criminal the other day. The cousin called her the "C" word. I love them, but they're fucking idiots.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)We shouldn't be afraid to say it.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)against a woman without generating those connotations.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)whores' in the congress who vote against progressive ideas.
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Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Not literally, not figuratively.
It's a slur, and it is rooted in misogyny.
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Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)and hence especially potent and offensive against a female opponent.
Would you be comfortable with racial slurs being used in a similar manner? Or is it just gender ones that are OK in your book?
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Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)The term itself is rooted in misogyny.
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Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)A woman "who actually is a whore, a woman who behaves like a whore...It's a slur against whore, not a slur against women"?!!! Do you even hear yourself?
Please, for heaven's sake, educate yourself on these issues.
athena
(4,187 posts)and offensive to prostitutes. It's sad that instead of disparaging the person who uses prostitutes, we disparage the prostitutes, many of whom are just trying to feed their families.
Here is an article that shows how the feminine form of perfectly innocuous words, over time, came to mean something completely different -- often, in fact, prostitute:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/27/eight-words-sexism-heart-english-language
Given this, it's hard to argue that the word "whore" is not sexist when used as a pejorative.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Good. Out the corporate whores!!
Corporate whores will be the google search of the day!
More eyes will open
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Jesus fucking Christ the hypocrisy is staggering.
No one called Hillary a whore, and the term corporate whore has been used here for years.
How much more absurd can this spectacle get?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)David Brock is also a corporate whore.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Even destroy a woman's career by blaming her for being sexually harassed.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The public rancor from Bernie's side is awful. They seem to be emulating Trump, which is inexcusable for someone seeking to represent the Democratic Party as the Presidential nominee.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)in the past on DU and nobody was banned.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511727002
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)...for that little indiscretion.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I don't participate in the jury system nor do I alert on anybody on here.
840high
(17,196 posts)don't mind. There certainly are corporate whores in this world.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Oh well.. Not surprised
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)Hint: It has nothing to do with sex.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)that you're getting screwed.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)But, hey, carry on with your outrage. It's hilarious.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Search DU for corporate whore and let me know what you find. This outrage is obvious and can't even use what actually said.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)that DUers love the sexist term. I don't have to do a search to realize that.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)way off base then you should probably take the advice instead of continuing with your Faux Outrage.
(Note to jury: This is a slightly modified copy paste from someone on the other side.)
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The term "corporate whore" has its own distinct meaning and implication...obviously.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)the word "corporate" all night trying to tidy up their narrative that this is a sexist comment. That word corporate keeps getting in the way so they just conveniently drop it. Even the Hillary Shill site, Blue Nation, uses Corporate Democratic Whores (plural mind you). Of course by tomorrow they will probably drop the word corporate and make whores singular. These people are such amateurs. It's really painful to see.
MADem
(135,425 posts)To be concise, it wasn't Sanders who said the W word--it was a surrogate that HE THANKED:
Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma.
Full context:
Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers) who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.
The inference is hard to avoid.
UPDATE 2: Bernie thanked (yes, thanked) the speakers who introduced him for their great introductions including Dr. Song, who referenced corporate Democratic whores and Hillary in the same context.
Ugh.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Might not want to get your sexism matching orders from that pig.
MADem
(135,425 posts)surrogate, and his flapping jawbone.
frylock
(34,825 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)BIG Pharma company.
Broward
(1,976 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)"...we meant to state it outright."
jmg257
(11,996 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Just jokes, right?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)thread where you came out against the use of that term?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)because I wanted to know what their reaction was to the skit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=48680
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)is a racist. So I went to the African American group and saw very little concern about the joke there.
And then I talked to a couple people in my extended family who are black.
And no one I respect was concerned about that skit.
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Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)either.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Got it.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)What took you so long? There have already been numerous threads on this topic. I even posted the Blue Nation story in one of those threads.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)If she doesn't want to be called a corporate whore, maybe she should stop being one. In the pursuit of gender equality, I'm willing to concede that she can be called a "corporate prostitute" if she'd prefer that, since prostitutes can be of any gender or biological sex.
She can't really deny that she prostitutes herself to corporate interests though. Reality has a way of being persistent like that, even when one would prefer it wasn't so.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)who sell their service to corporate and Wall Street special interests.
It seems you are giving it a different meaning since I've heard that term used going back to the 60's by progressive men and women
political activists.
I don't find the term corporate whore objectionable at all.
Cruz is a corporate whore for the super rich.
There.
I used it.
So crucify me.
Call me a right-wing anti-woman sexist.
That would be absolute nonsense of course.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)who would ever use it -- even against Sarah Palin.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:04 AM - Edit history (1)
I do think after the smoke clears that Bernie should probably clarify what was meant and that he didn't approve of the language that easily leads to a misinterpretation.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)do you prefer that language?
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Not sure why you're posting a silly alternate language whilst ignoring the context and implication of what was said.
I think John Aravosis had a reasonable interpretation:
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)If the shoe fits. Corporate Whore is NOT sexist. Corporate Whore is someone who takes money for favors. Who does that? Why do you think it's Hillary? Maybe deep inside you once thought of her that way. I know I do.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sanders needs to fire more workers. For the guy who said he had never run a dirty campaign needs to put some control on those who are speaking at his rallies, now Sanders will have to walk back these attacks. I don't see Sanders saying this but with it being at his rallies it reflects on Sanders.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)It could very well be that some of Song's " Democratic corporate whores " are Superdelegates.
Oops
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You think your convoluted outrage means anything after the racist stunt she pulled on that stage?
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)you may as well be talking to it for all the people who are convinced by this contrived Brockian BS
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)at all!!!! By saying the speaker was referring to Hillary, and Hillary's camp owning that piece, they are saying hey agree, she's the corporate candidate. Or corporate whore... BTW, corporate whore is a general term for being a greedy pig at the trough. And many, many, many times it has been used in reference to the Republican Party, certain men who seem on the take and show their votes/ voice with the money, or has been referenced to the bankers/ Wall St crowd. Most people DO NOT think this is a "sexist" expression and more men have been labeled this term than any women ever have.
This false sexism bs only hurts those of us who actually do have to deal with real sexism in our mundane jobs/ life that no one pays a lick of attn to.
msongs
(67,420 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)I'd say corporate whore, while true, is the nice way to put it. Quit being so sensitive.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)The fact that it is also, by some, used against men doesn't eliminate the EXTRA toxic poison it injects into any discussion of a woman.
bvf
(6,604 posts)female corporate whores should be held to looser standards (pardon the pun) than male corporate whores?
Sounds pretty sexist, if you ask me.
Please clarify.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)when applied to a woman that it doesn't carry when applied to a man.
Words like "sell-out" and "shill" are non-gendered. "Whore" is gendered. Why use the misognyist word when there are perfectly good substitutes available?
Unless you are consciously going for a sexist attack, as the Rethugs love to do.
bvf
(6,604 posts)as a male whore? There are a few ancient civilizations that might take exception to that view.
Hell, anyone with a lick of sense over last few thousand years would be equally justified in doing so.
Just because you say it's a gendered term doesn't make it so, no matter how desperately you cling to that misbegotten view.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)in this instance.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)by the way.
So it's funny -- but sadly typical -- that his supporters are still trying to justify this.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)The definite article makes it sound as if they've been isolated in a biochemistry lab somewhere.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)It's time to make it clear that he's beginning to risk complete and total alienation of his colleagues.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)But the complete and total alienation of Sanders' voters by Clinton and her supporters isn't a problem?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Yes, the vernacular has changed RADICALLY in the interim, no one ever used terms like "corporate whores" back then.
Or something.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)And in New Fuckin York, of all places.. because ya know, one never hears anything but the most polite, respectful dialogue in that quaint little Burg!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)The victimhood schtick used to rationalize incompetence, i.e. the NYDN interview was an "inquisition", the RNC rules are unfair, yada, yada, yada.
UNFAIR, RIGGED, BIASED...everything and everybody is against us, Waaaaaaah!
The laughable excuses for refusal to release detailed tax histories, i.e. too busy to get home and open the file cabinet, being audited--so no can do. LOL!
The openly misogynist and dismissive body language, rhetorical choices, and vocabulary.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)You're joking, right?
Oh BTW
The many parallels between Clinton and the GOP in general, should be alarming to any genuine Liberal.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Not alarmed about Hillary's liberal cred. either.
And, see clear daylight between her and any RW nut out on the trail today.
Sexism and misogyny are interesting--you recognize these phenomena when you see them, once you've been sensitized by first-hand experience.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I've always been offended by its use in political discourse. The word itself is a slur, and rooted in misogyny. There is NO good use of it.
But it's been clear to me for months that "Hillary is a whore" is the underlying theme of Bernie's campaign against her. So the use of this word in connection to Hillary in this speech does not surprise me.
The reality is that the theme of "she's a corporate whore" works especially well against a female candidate. The term (and it linguistic equivalents) has been used as a weapon against women for millennia. It is telling that the term was classically used not only when a woman freely expresses her sexuality or sells it for profit, but also when she simply ventures outside of the traditional space of women and into the public sphere. No woman in American history has ever ventured as far into the public sphere as Hillary, by running for the highest public office in the land. No wonder that the subtext of the campaign against her is that she's a whore. And that subtext came very close to the surface in this little speech.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Mud Throwers would be my pick.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Habibi
(3,598 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... but this is par for the course for Sanders crew.
I'm not shocked nor surprised
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)As a woman...it makes me dislike Sen. Sanders even more.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)They're ALL whores, or do you think the money they get just magically appears? Watch the most recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, and then tell me they're not whores....
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)doesn't belong in our political discourse.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I agree.
It's great for an episode of "Family Guy", but not a serious election. It's over the top, and trashy.
However, in the term "corporate whore", the word "whore" does not carry sexual activity or sexual identity meanings it may have when used alone. Whoring is not an activity exclusive to women in the 1st place. And considering there are more men in the corporate world.... but anyway, none of that matters because "corporate whore" refers to an attitude about money, and nothing sexual.
It's still over the top and tacky.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)sexual connotations and that's why some people thrill to use it over words like sell-out and shill.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)And here I thought women would just be up in arms against Repuke Trump!
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)over a synonym to Corporate Tool.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)But who cares what he said, right?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sanders-slams-surrogate-insult-democratic-whores-article-1.2600764
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Good for him. I'll continue to use the word as I see fit. I don't take marching orders from him or his campaign.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Your interpretation is different from many, if not most, people's.