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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:48 PM Apr 2016

Bernie's introducer went there. He called out Hillary -- and immediately referred to

"democratic whores."

This is nothing less than hate speech against a woman candidate.

Young people are used to hearing this word used loosely. But Bernie knows that when women over 40 were growing up, this word had only one meaning. And that meaning in itself was a gendered slur against women who either had become trapped in the sex trade -- or who simply engaged in sex as freely as many men did.

But Bernie thanked his introducer for his words.

This underhanded slur is despicable and both of them should apologize. But I don't expect many of his youthful supporters to understand how deeply offensive his use of this word is, in the context of discussing his woman opponent.

ON EDIT: There exist perfectly good English language words with the same meaning as "corporate whore" that don't carry the misogynist toxins of the word "whore." They include the words "sell-out" and "shill." If that's the point you're trying to make, use those words instead and you won't be dipping your pen into toxic misogynistic ink.

http://bluenationreview.com/speaker-at-bernie-nyc-rally-refers-to-corporate-democratic-whores/

UPDATE: BNR has reviewed the speech delivered by Dr. Paul Song. Song was clearly speaking about Hillary Clinton before he spoke these words:

“Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma.”


Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. [boos] Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. [cheers] Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores [cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

The inference is hard to avoid.

UPDATE 2: Bernie thanked (yes, thanked) the speakers who introduced him for their “great introductions” — including Dr. Song, who referenced “corporate Democratic whores” and Hillary in the same context.

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Bernie's introducer went there. He called out Hillary -- and immediately referred to (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2016 OP
I have to agree AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #1
Repeating BNR lies again? dchill Apr 2016 #2
You're saying that Song "DIDN'T" say this? brooklynite Apr 2016 #21
You saying you are to thin skinned to recognize the truth of money in politics? timmymoff Apr 2016 #24
Are you so blind and uncaring sheshe2 Apr 2016 #71
yes.. not sexually timmymoff Apr 2016 #74
The "Whores" Comment Refers To "Pay To Play" Politics And Is Directed At The Pols Who Accept... CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #69
Then use a non-gendered synonym. There are a number of them. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #128
You must know that the original title of this thread... dchill Apr 2016 #81
literally, directly from bnr (via twitter earlier tonight) iAZZZo Apr 2016 #63
Is Sarah Palin a media whore or an attention whore? riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #3
Neither. I never use that word against any woman. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #11
Brock, who called Anita Hill "slutty" is now aghast at "corporate whore"? riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #25
I didn't like Brock then and I don't appreciate him now. But Bernie's choice of associates pnwmom Apr 2016 #28
Yeah, "a little bit nutty, a little bit slutty" is perfectly ok. It is about faux outrage. GoneFishin Apr 2016 #109
We're in absolute agreement rock Apr 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author bjo59 Apr 2016 #4
Good thing your edited the big lie out of your headline. morningfog Apr 2016 #5
Kinda makes the whole thread a FAIL, eh? dchill Apr 2016 #12
Brock is a great reason for Bernie to say, floriduck Apr 2016 #151
It's about time they called out Corporate Whores who are ruining life for the planet. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #6
And yes, that crowd was 48,000. dchill Apr 2016 #7
What's really, really funny about the Berners: Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #19
One is a choice and the other is imposed. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #23
Logic? They don't need no steenking logic! dchill Apr 2016 #44
Two hours is a lot when you work for minimum wage timmymoff Apr 2016 #29
But not eight hours? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #35
Your problem: Showing any number of Hillary supporters... dchill Apr 2016 #49
We are too busy working apcalc Apr 2016 #56
We're up by 6, dressed, breakfast, drive kids to school, us to work LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #76
And you don't think any of that goes on on Bernie supporters homes! Kittycat Apr 2016 #85
MY kids are young. I have a twenty-something half-brother and a twenty something son of a cousin, LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #91
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #126
When you can't vote in a primary because you didn't sign up in time, that's all you can do. pnwmom Apr 2016 #143
There are a lot of sell out whores in both parties Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #8
Perhaps, but you should have the sense to phrase it differently. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #20
The word has its roots as a disgusting kind of attack against women. It can't be used pnwmom Apr 2016 #30
It wasn't used against a woman. You are drawing that connection. Unless 'democrat' is a woman Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #33
Yes, it was. In the sentence immediately preceding its use, Hillary Clinton was named. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #37
and then in the next sentence congress was named as being complacent, because we have 'democratic Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #40
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The word should not be used in any sense Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #103
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But it's a slur rooted in misogyny Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #107
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And yet it's traditionally used against women Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #110
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OMG!!!!! Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #112
I agree. The word is offensive to women athena Apr 2016 #139
now we know what tomorrows meme will be on msnbc Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #9
Brock is lying about someone else's words? The misogynist who called Anita Hill "slutty"? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #10
Let us respect gender-and-sex-equality. Chan790 Apr 2016 #48
It's only fair, David Brock is one of the worst corporate whores, he'll do anything for money. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #51
Even in a mosh pit like DU, that sort of reference would get you banned. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #13
well. here is a thread with a huge collection of links of all the times the term was used m-lekktor Apr 2016 #67
Well, there you go. I have had posts hidden and been barred from a certain group... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #70
all the posts linked to in that thread were probably from before the days of juries! m-lekktor Apr 2016 #80
I'm way over 40 and 840high Apr 2016 #14
He said ' elect democratic whores" fun n serious Apr 2016 #95
I'm a woman well over 40, and I've always known what a corporate whore is. MgtPA Apr 2016 #15
It does in the regard... scscholar Apr 2016 #68
You forgot the word corporate Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #16
That doesn't mitigate the damage in the slightest. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #22
COMPLETELY changes the meaning Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #60
Words like sell-out or shill can substitute perfectly well without the toxic gendered load. I know pnwmom Apr 2016 #123
You can raise concern but when you are told by women that you are VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #122
Bullshit. It changes everything. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #147
They've Been Dropping noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #45
He's dying. The floor has dropped out, and he's down in the basement. MADem Apr 2016 #17
You do know Brock's history of sexism, right? Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #64
You'd better do some googling. This has everything to do with Lisa Ling's husband, Bernie's MADem Apr 2016 #89
lol @ "the W word" frylock Apr 2016 #75
The guy who said the world isn't LOLing. How ironic that he's a minority shareholder of a MADem Apr 2016 #88
Do you feel better now? Broward Apr 2016 #18
Oh that apology would be priceless..."I'm sorry we inferred Hillary is a corporate whore" jmg257 Apr 2016 #26
Let me finish that apology for you. Chan790 Apr 2016 #38
Amazing how many people made that leap right off the bat! nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #41
LOL!nt m-lekktor Apr 2016 #59
lmao questionseverything Apr 2016 #72
Just to be clear.....we're still cool with the term 'colored people'? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #27
Blasio has apologized for the skit. Bernie hasn't. He thanked the speaker. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #32
Shouldn't Hillary as well, since she delivered the punchline? Also, can you please link me to your.. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #36
What I will link you to is the African American group, pnwmom Apr 2016 #50
What was YOUR reaction? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #55
I didn't know what to think -- but I don't believe the Mayor whose wife and son are black pnwmom Apr 2016 #78
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If he had done it with Blasio I doubt it --- not among friends. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #119
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Well, I talked to the whores in my family, and my corporate friends, and nobody cares about this Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #116
So you ain't got shit as far as a link Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #65
LOL noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #31
I think the Zenger defense applies. Chan790 Apr 2016 #34
So could you define corporate whores, a commonly used term to describe male and female politicians imagine2015 Apr 2016 #39
It isn't commonly used by adult feminists to describe other women. I don't know any feminist pnwmom Apr 2016 #87
I don't think it was intentional Dem2 Apr 2016 #43
should we refer to them as corporate prostitutes? questionseverything Apr 2016 #73
? Dem2 Apr 2016 #77
This again Politicalboi Apr 2016 #46
If the updates are accurate this gaffe is going code red. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #47
It's a shitstorm out there!!! nt MADem Apr 2016 #90
It was a terrible statement, who is in charge of selecting the people who introduce Sanders. Maybe Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #52
As I have earlier posted apcalc Apr 2016 #53
Something something CP time isn't really racist something or other Android3.14 Apr 2016 #54
Have you met a wall? AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #57
I'm a woman who is more than 2 times 40---and I've known corporate whores to come in all sizes ---> Petrushka Apr 2016 #58
Well, I never! opiate69 Apr 2016 #61
If I was Hillary's camp, I'd avoid speaking of corporate whore glowing Apr 2016 #62
bernie is unqualified nt msongs Apr 2016 #66
I am over 40 and know that word is used to describe sell outs of BOTH genders. Skwmom Apr 2016 #79
Interestingly enough, you're linking to the biggest media whore out there--David Brock. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #82
She's made million in speaking fees from corporations ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #83
It's a misogynistic term and I'll call it out whenever people slur a woman with it. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #86
No it isn't. Corporate whores know no gender. The shoe fits in this instance. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #92
The word "whore," used in any context against a woman, always carries the woman-hating toxins. pnwmom Apr 2016 #93
Does that mean that bvf Apr 2016 #98
It means that the word shouldn't ever be applied to a woman. Period. It carries a toxic load pnwmom Apr 2016 #99
So are you saying that there's no such thing bvf Apr 2016 #100
how about be less worried about language and more worried about the real world? nashville_brook Apr 2016 #129
In the real world language is one of the vehicles used to attack women. So sorry, no nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #134
True feminists are against preferential treatment. Sounds like that's what you're looking for ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #136
Not at all. I'm asking that a non-gendered word choice be used. Bernie has now condemned the phrase, pnwmom Apr 2016 #137
Toxins? Sounds like you're talking about vaccines again. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #105
"...the woman-hating toxins." bvf Apr 2016 #113
Like the patented germ enlarger: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #115
LOL! bvf Apr 2016 #117
It's time for Democratic Senators to shut this campaign down taught_me_patience Apr 2016 #84
That's rich Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #130
"When women over 40 were growing up..." You mean, like the 1980s? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #94
Lmao. No shit, right? opiate69 Apr 2016 #141
The many parallels between the Sanders and Trump campaigns should be alarming to any genuine Dem. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #96
misogynist and dismissive body language AlbertCat Apr 2016 #144
Love your Twinkie cat, Albert. And, no, not joshing you at all. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #146
OMG!!!!!!1!!! Somebody called corporate whores corporate whores!!!!!111!!!!! mhatrw Apr 2016 #97
The word is a slur Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #106
What would you call Hillary supporters slandering Bernie non stop? B Calm Apr 2016 #114
Sexism....yet again. Shocking. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #118
Paul Song has apologized. Habibi Apr 2016 #121
Yes, he has done that now. But many here think he had nothing to apologize for. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #127
By some strang coincidence, does this particular shoe fit? nc4bo Apr 2016 #124
Yes, Hillary was mentioned in the same vein of though as corporate whore... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #125
I agree Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #132
Absolute bollocks. truebrit71 Apr 2016 #131
Bernie disagrees. He now has disavowed his surrogate's comments, saying the word pnwmom Apr 2016 #142
doesn't belong in our political discourse. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #145
I disagree. The word is inappropriate because the word "whore" never loses the gendered pnwmom Apr 2016 #148
This will hurt Bernie next Tuesday, and may be used against Hillary in the GE. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #133
Meh. New Yorkers are a resilient bunch. They won't retreat to their fainting couches lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #135
Bernie has now condemned the use of the word. pnwmom Apr 2016 #140
exactly ibegurpard Apr 2016 #150
There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #138
Nice try, but FAIL Doctor_J Apr 2016 #149

brooklynite

(94,599 posts)
21. You're saying that Song "DIDN'T" say this?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

Melissa McEwan ‎@Shakestweetz

The speaker who used "corporate whores" at Sanders event is Dr. Paul Song; here's a transcription of the full quote.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
71. Are you so blind and uncaring
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:46 PM
Apr 2016

that you condone our Democratic front runner, a woman, being called a whore? Spin it anyway you wish, that is exactly what they said.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
74. yes.. not sexually
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

but a whore for corporate money. Stop shedding crocodile tears, she got called out for her taking money from corporations, own it, we've been telling you this for months.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
69. The "Whores" Comment Refers To "Pay To Play" Politics And Is Directed At The Pols Who Accept...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016
Financial "Considerations" of various types INCLUDING CAMPAIGN AND SUPER PAC CA$$$$H!

As a two time former Democratic Nominee for a U.S. House seat, I received "The $$ Offer" to quote "Play Ball"
with The Pharmaceutical Industry from a D.C Pharmaceutical Industry Lobbyist by the name of Ken Freeman. The offer was as follows, "My First Name... If you're willing to play ball with the pharmaceutical industry we'll get you all the contributions that you need..." I replied, well if I did the same thing as my Republican opponent, where would my credibility be? I am btw a proponent of Medicare for All... I'll save the rest...


Had I accepted that offer to "play ball," with Big Pharma... I would have been a POLITICAL WHORE... Selling my advocacy and vote in congress for policy that was targeted at benefiting my benefactor... Big Pharma... at the expense of the people... At YOUR expense. So IF there was an analogy in Bernie's introduction, it was entirely valid.
Political benefactors "invest" in pols who "PLAY BALL..." WITH and FOR... THEM!

I the case of this Presidential Primary, it is clear who "Plays Ball" and who does not... So sorry... Facts/Truth are NOT negative campaigning! Bernie was correct in his congratulatory remarks for his introduction because the context of those remarks was ENTIRELY ACCURATE AND LEGITIMATE. Hillary has earned every shot that comes her way.
Tomorrow's debate will leave some scars and likely as not Bernie will come away quite clean and Hillary... ahhh... not so much.

dchill

(38,505 posts)
81. You must know that the original title of this thread...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:24 AM
Apr 2016

claimed that Bernie had said the WHORE word. Not that it would be a problem. A thing is a thing. Like a lie is a lie.

 

iAZZZo

(358 posts)
63. literally, directly from bnr (via twitter earlier tonight)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

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link: pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf-DYP7UUAEV3Cj.jpg

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
25. Brock, who called Anita Hill "slutty" is now aghast at "corporate whore"?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

You're personal qualms aside, you're allying with a known sexist on this.

Uhm, hypocrite much?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
28. I didn't like Brock then and I don't appreciate him now. But Bernie's choice of associates
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016

is just as slimy -- and HE thanked the speaker who used the slur.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
109. Yeah, "a little bit nutty, a little bit slutty" is perfectly ok. It is about faux outrage.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:45 AM
Apr 2016

What transparent cheesy hypocrites.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
151. Brock is a great reason for Bernie to say,
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 05:14 PM
Apr 2016

"I think it's time I run as an independent after all."

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
19. What's really, really funny about the Berners:
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

Standing in line for 8 hours to see Sanders at some arena is a badge of honor.

Waiting 2 hours to vote in a primary is "voter suppression" and "election fraud."

You guys crack me up.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
29. Two hours is a lot when you work for minimum wage
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

and aren't getting paid. Shouldn't take that long anytime.

dchill

(38,505 posts)
49. Your problem: Showing any number of Hillary supporters...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016

with that kind of enthusiasm. It must really suck for you.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
56. We are too busy working
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

And rearing children to spend hours standing in line. We are no less enthusiastic.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
76. We're up by 6, dressed, breakfast, drive kids to school, us to work
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

Rush home to meet kids getting off bus, homework, dinner, bedtime, more work from home trying to get ready for next day, laundry, dishes--five days a week.

Saturday art class for oldest daughter, wife is a florist so working Saturday 's sometimes 20 hours, me with the kids. Sunday family day. Monday..... Tuesday VOTE after or be fire work... Go to work or cook dinner.

No time for Berning Man or his phoned in Revolution.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
85. And you don't think any of that goes on on Bernie supporters homes!
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016

That broad brush mist be difficult to carry.

Bernie has a greater hold on 40 and under. Hillary has 50 and above. In the 40-50 range they are pretty well split. Given that most of our families are going to land in the 30-50 range, I would venture to guess that Bernie probably has a fair share of those younger families with less flexible lifestyles. In comparison to majority of the Hillary families who would more than likely carry the lion share of the Bernie Millennials (OMG the irony).

Wait a minute, I just figured it out. You're pissed that your kids are rebelling against you.

Got it. Carry on.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
91. MY kids are young. I have a twenty-something half-brother and a twenty something son of a cousin,
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:00 AM
Apr 2016

however, who are stone Bernie Bros. They both are constantly posting anti-Hillary memes. My brother called Hillary a carreer criminal the other day. The cousin called her the "C" word. I love them, but they're fucking idiots.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
30. The word has its roots as a disgusting kind of attack against women. It can't be used
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016

against a woman without generating those connotations.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
40. and then in the next sentence congress was named as being complacent, because we have 'democratic
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

whores' in the congress who vote against progressive ideas.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #30)

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
103. The word should not be used in any sense
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:03 AM
Apr 2016

Not literally, not figuratively.

It's a slur, and it is rooted in misogyny.

Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #103)

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
107. But it's a slur rooted in misogyny
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:15 AM
Apr 2016

and hence especially potent and offensive against a female opponent.

Would you be comfortable with racial slurs being used in a similar manner? Or is it just gender ones that are OK in your book?

Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #107)

Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #110)

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
112. OMG!!!!!
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:23 AM
Apr 2016

A woman "who actually is a whore, a woman who behaves like a whore...It's a slur against whore, not a slur against women"?!!! Do you even hear yourself?

Please, for heaven's sake, educate yourself on these issues.

athena

(4,187 posts)
139. I agree. The word is offensive to women
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:54 PM
Apr 2016

and offensive to prostitutes. It's sad that instead of disparaging the person who uses prostitutes, we disparage the prostitutes, many of whom are just trying to feed their families.

Here is an article that shows how the feminine form of perfectly innocuous words, over time, came to mean something completely different -- often, in fact, prostitute:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/27/eight-words-sexism-heart-english-language

Given this, it's hard to argue that the word "whore" is not sexist when used as a pejorative.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
9. now we know what tomorrows meme will be on msnbc
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

Good. Out the corporate whores!!

Corporate whores will be the google search of the day!

More eyes will open

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
10. Brock is lying about someone else's words? The misogynist who called Anita Hill "slutty"?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

Jesus fucking Christ the hypocrisy is staggering.

No one called Hillary a whore, and the term corporate whore has been used here for years.

How much more absurd can this spectacle get?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
51. It's only fair, David Brock is one of the worst corporate whores, he'll do anything for money.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:08 PM
Apr 2016

Even destroy a woman's career by blaming her for being sexually harassed.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
13. Even in a mosh pit like DU, that sort of reference would get you banned.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

The public rancor from Bernie's side is awful. They seem to be emulating Trump, which is inexcusable for someone seeking to represent the Democratic Party as the Presidential nominee.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
70. Well, there you go. I have had posts hidden and been barred from a certain group...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

...for that little indiscretion.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
80. all the posts linked to in that thread were probably from before the days of juries!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

I don't participate in the jury system nor do I alert on anybody on here.

MgtPA

(1,022 posts)
15. I'm a woman well over 40, and I've always known what a corporate whore is.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

Hint: It has nothing to do with sex.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
60. COMPLETELY changes the meaning
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

Search DU for corporate whore and let me know what you find. This outrage is obvious and can't even use what actually said.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
123. Words like sell-out or shill can substitute perfectly well without the toxic gendered load. I know
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:01 AM
Apr 2016

that DUers love the sexist term. I don't have to do a search to realize that.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
122. You can raise concern but when you are told by women that you are
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

way off base then you should probably take the advice instead of continuing with your Faux Outrage.

(Note to jury: This is a slightly modified copy paste from someone on the other side.)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
147. Bullshit. It changes everything.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

The term "corporate whore" has its own distinct meaning and implication...obviously.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
45. They've Been Dropping
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

the word "corporate" all night trying to tidy up their narrative that this is a sexist comment. That word corporate keeps getting in the way so they just conveniently drop it. Even the Hillary Shill site, Blue Nation, uses Corporate Democratic Whores (plural mind you). Of course by tomorrow they will probably drop the word corporate and make whores singular. These people are such amateurs. It's really painful to see.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. He's dying. The floor has dropped out, and he's down in the basement.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

To be concise, it wasn't Sanders who said the W word--it was a surrogate that HE THANKED:


UPDATE: BNR has reviewed the speech delivered by Dr. Paul Song. Song was clearly speaking about Hillary Clinton before he spoke these words:

“Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma.”
Full context:

Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers) who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

The inference is hard to avoid.

UPDATE 2: Bernie thanked (yes, thanked) the speakers who introduced him for their “great introductions” — including Dr. Song, who referenced “corporate Democratic whores” and Hillary in the same context.


Ugh.
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
64. You do know Brock's history of sexism, right?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016

Might not want to get your sexism matching orders from that pig.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
89. You'd better do some googling. This has everything to do with Lisa Ling's husband, Bernie's
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:29 AM
Apr 2016

surrogate, and his flapping jawbone.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
88. The guy who said the world isn't LOLing. How ironic that he's a minority shareholder of a
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:28 AM
Apr 2016

BIG Pharma company.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
36. Shouldn't Hillary as well, since she delivered the punchline? Also, can you please link me to your..
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

thread where you came out against the use of that term?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
78. I didn't know what to think -- but I don't believe the Mayor whose wife and son are black
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

is a racist. So I went to the African American group and saw very little concern about the joke there.

And then I talked to a couple people in my extended family who are black.

And no one I respect was concerned about that skit.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #78)

Response to pnwmom (Reply #119)

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
116. Well, I talked to the whores in my family, and my corporate friends, and nobody cares about this
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:40 AM
Apr 2016

either.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
31. LOL
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016

What took you so long? There have already been numerous threads on this topic. I even posted the Blue Nation story in one of those threads.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
34. I think the Zenger defense applies.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

If she doesn't want to be called a corporate whore, maybe she should stop being one. In the pursuit of gender equality, I'm willing to concede that she can be called a "corporate prostitute" if she'd prefer that, since prostitutes can be of any gender or biological sex.

She can't really deny that she prostitutes herself to corporate interests though. Reality has a way of being persistent like that, even when one would prefer it wasn't so.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
39. So could you define corporate whores, a commonly used term to describe male and female politicians
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

who sell their service to corporate and Wall Street special interests.

It seems you are giving it a different meaning since I've heard that term used going back to the 60's by progressive men and women
political activists.

I don't find the term corporate whore objectionable at all.

Cruz is a corporate whore for the super rich.

There.

I used it.

So crucify me.

Call me a right-wing anti-woman sexist.

That would be absolute nonsense of course.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
87. It isn't commonly used by adult feminists to describe other women. I don't know any feminist
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:00 AM
Apr 2016

who would ever use it -- even against Sarah Palin.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
43. I don't think it was intentional
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:04 AM - Edit history (1)

I do think after the smoke clears that Bernie should probably clarify what was meant and that he didn't approve of the language that easily leads to a misinterpretation.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
77. ?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

Not sure why you're posting a silly alternate language whilst ignoring the context and implication of what was said.

I think John Aravosis had a reasonable interpretation:

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
46. This again
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

If the shoe fits. Corporate Whore is NOT sexist. Corporate Whore is someone who takes money for favors. Who does that? Why do you think it's Hillary? Maybe deep inside you once thought of her that way. I know I do.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
52. It was a terrible statement, who is in charge of selecting the people who introduce Sanders. Maybe
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:08 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders needs to fire more workers. For the guy who said he had never run a dirty campaign needs to put some control on those who are speaking at his rallies, now Sanders will have to walk back these attacks. I don't see Sanders saying this but with it being at his rallies it reflects on Sanders.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
53. As I have earlier posted
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

It could very well be that some of Song's " Democratic corporate whores " are Superdelegates.
Oops

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
54. Something something CP time isn't really racist something or other
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

You think your convoluted outrage means anything after the racist stunt she pulled on that stage?

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
57. Have you met a wall?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

you may as well be talking to it for all the people who are convinced by this contrived Brockian BS

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
58. I'm a woman who is more than 2 times 40---and I've known corporate whores to come in all sizes --->
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016
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glowing

(12,233 posts)
62. If I was Hillary's camp, I'd avoid speaking of corporate whore
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

at all!!!! By saying the speaker was referring to Hillary, and Hillary's camp owning that piece, they are saying hey agree, she's the corporate candidate. Or corporate whore... BTW, corporate whore is a general term for being a greedy pig at the trough. And many, many, many times it has been used in reference to the Republican Party, certain men who seem on the take and show their votes/ voice with the money, or has been referenced to the bankers/ Wall St crowd. Most people DO NOT think this is a "sexist" expression and more men have been labeled this term than any women ever have.

This false sexism bs only hurts those of us who actually do have to deal with real sexism in our mundane jobs/ life that no one pays a lick of attn to.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
83. She's made million in speaking fees from corporations
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:33 AM
Apr 2016

I'd say corporate whore, while true, is the nice way to put it. Quit being so sensitive.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
93. The word "whore," used in any context against a woman, always carries the woman-hating toxins.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:59 AM
Apr 2016

The fact that it is also, by some, used against men doesn't eliminate the EXTRA toxic poison it injects into any discussion of a woman.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
98. Does that mean that
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 05:03 AM
Apr 2016

female corporate whores should be held to looser standards (pardon the pun) than male corporate whores?

Sounds pretty sexist, if you ask me.

Please clarify.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
99. It means that the word shouldn't ever be applied to a woman. Period. It carries a toxic load
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 05:21 AM
Apr 2016

when applied to a woman that it doesn't carry when applied to a man.

Words like "sell-out" and "shill" are non-gendered. "Whore" is gendered. Why use the misognyist word when there are perfectly good substitutes available?

Unless you are consciously going for a sexist attack, as the Rethugs love to do.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
100. So are you saying that there's no such thing
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 05:45 AM
Apr 2016

as a male whore? There are a few ancient civilizations that might take exception to that view.

Hell, anyone with a lick of sense over last few thousand years would be equally justified in doing so.

Just because you say it's a gendered term doesn't make it so, no matter how desperately you cling to that misbegotten view.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
136. True feminists are against preferential treatment. Sounds like that's what you're looking for
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016

in this instance.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
137. Not at all. I'm asking that a non-gendered word choice be used. Bernie has now condemned the phrase,
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

by the way.

So it's funny -- but sadly typical -- that his supporters are still trying to justify this.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
113. "...the woman-hating toxins."
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:29 AM
Apr 2016

The definite article makes it sound as if they've been isolated in a biochemistry lab somewhere.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
84. It's time for Democratic Senators to shut this campaign down
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:45 AM
Apr 2016

It's time to make it clear that he's beginning to risk complete and total alienation of his colleagues.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
130. That's rich
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

But the complete and total alienation of Sanders' voters by Clinton and her supporters isn't a problem?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
94. "When women over 40 were growing up..." You mean, like the 1980s?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:05 AM
Apr 2016

Yes, the vernacular has changed RADICALLY in the interim, no one ever used terms like "corporate whores" back then.


Or something.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
141. Lmao. No shit, right?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

And in New Fuckin York, of all places.. because ya know, one never hears anything but the most polite, respectful dialogue in that quaint little Burg!


 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
96. The many parallels between the Sanders and Trump campaigns should be alarming to any genuine Dem.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:12 AM
Apr 2016

The victimhood schtick used to rationalize incompetence, i.e. the NYDN interview was an "inquisition", the RNC rules are unfair, yada, yada, yada.

UNFAIR, RIGGED, BIASED...everything and everybody is against us, Waaaaaaah!

The laughable excuses for refusal to release detailed tax histories, i.e. too busy to get home and open the file cabinet, being audited--so no can do. LOL!

The openly misogynist and dismissive body language, rhetorical choices, and vocabulary.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
144. misogynist and dismissive body language
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

You're joking, right?

Oh BTW

The many parallels between Clinton and the GOP in general, should be alarming to any genuine Liberal.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
146. Love your Twinkie cat, Albert. And, no, not joshing you at all.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

Not alarmed about Hillary's liberal cred. either.

And, see clear daylight between her and any RW nut out on the trail today.

Sexism and misogyny are interesting--you recognize these phenomena when you see them, once you've been sensitized by first-hand experience.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
106. The word is a slur
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:13 AM
Apr 2016

I've always been offended by its use in political discourse. The word itself is a slur, and rooted in misogyny. There is NO good use of it.

But it's been clear to me for months that "Hillary is a whore" is the underlying theme of Bernie's campaign against her. So the use of this word in connection to Hillary in this speech does not surprise me.

The reality is that the theme of "she's a corporate whore" works especially well against a female candidate. The term (and it linguistic equivalents) has been used as a weapon against women for millennia. It is telling that the term was classically used not only when a woman freely expresses her sexuality or sells it for profit, but also when she simply ventures outside of the traditional space of women and into the public sphere. No woman in American history has ever ventured as far into the public sphere as Hillary, by running for the highest public office in the land. No wonder that the subtext of the campaign against her is that she's a whore. And that subtext came very close to the surface in this little speech.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
114. What would you call Hillary supporters slandering Bernie non stop?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:31 AM
Apr 2016

Mud Throwers would be my pick.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
125. Yes, Hillary was mentioned in the same vein of though as corporate whore...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:01 AM
Apr 2016

... but this is par for the course for Sanders crew.

I'm not shocked nor surprised

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
131. Absolute bollocks.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

They're ALL whores, or do you think the money they get just magically appears? Watch the most recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, and then tell me they're not whores....

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
142. Bernie disagrees. He now has disavowed his surrogate's comments, saying the word
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

doesn't belong in our political discourse.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
145. doesn't belong in our political discourse.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

I agree.
It's great for an episode of "Family Guy", but not a serious election. It's over the top, and trashy.


However, in the term "corporate whore", the word "whore" does not carry sexual activity or sexual identity meanings it may have when used alone. Whoring is not an activity exclusive to women in the 1st place. And considering there are more men in the corporate world.... but anyway, none of that matters because "corporate whore" refers to an attitude about money, and nothing sexual.


It's still over the top and tacky.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
148. I disagree. The word is inappropriate because the word "whore" never loses the gendered
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

sexual connotations and that's why some people thrill to use it over words like sell-out and shill.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
133. This will hurt Bernie next Tuesday, and may be used against Hillary in the GE.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:26 AM
Apr 2016

And here I thought women would just be up in arms against Repuke Trump!

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
135. Meh. New Yorkers are a resilient bunch. They won't retreat to their fainting couches
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

over a synonym to Corporate Tool.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
150. exactly
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

Good for him. I'll continue to use the word as I see fit. I don't take marching orders from him or his campaign.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
138. There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:53 PM
Apr 2016

Your interpretation is different from many, if not most, people's.

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