NY poll: Hillary leads Sanders 60-38 among Jewish voters

[RandySF]

According to the Siena Research poll, Clinton leads Sanders 52-42 percent, down from a 55-34 lead in March. However, Sanders trails Clinton by 22 points among Jewish Democratic voters (60-38).

Jewish voters made up 19 percent of the electorate in the New York City Democratic mayoral primary in September 2013.
The poll showed Clinton with a whopping 80/19 favorable/unfavorable rating among Jewish voters in New York. Sanders also scored a 60/26 favorable/unfavorable rating.

In the February poll, the Brooklyn-born Jewish senator trailed Clinton by only 8 points (41-33) among Jewish voters. 20 percent had no opinion. Sanders had a 44/36 favorable/unfavorable ratings, while Clinton had a 16-point negative rating (37/53 favorable/unfavorable).


http://www.jewishjournal.com/election2016/article/ny_poll_hillary_leads_sanders_60_38_among_jewish_voters

[Smarmie Doofus]

1. Can't keep up w. the Clinton fans here.

Last week Jews were bad because they were for Bernie. ( And "racist", needless to say.)

This week..... ?

[Behind the Aegis]

42. Mavel Tov!

Welcome to our world!

[delrem]

64. Suddenly "Jews" are important, with respect to this primary. Amazing.

OK.
You called it better than I did.

[2pooped2pop]

81. weathervaning is a learned trait.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

85. Last week, Jews were cheapskates. Now, they're

all banksters.

[Behind the Aegis]

88. That isn't surprising.

There is a term, "to Jew someone", and it can literally mean "cheat someone by overcharging" or "swindle someone, by getting the lowest price." It exemplifies the phrase, "damned if we do, damned if we don't." I had honestly never heard the phrase used in person, until I came to Oklahoma, and was told which car dealership to go to because I could "Jew them on the price." Since then, I have actually heard it a few more times here in OK, a few times in New Orleans, and once in Illinois (I overheard it in a Wal-Mart).

[grossproffit]

102. Our mail person said this to my husband last year. She didn't understand why he'd be offended

since he's not Jewish.

She'd always assumed he was a Muslim since he's Middle Eastern and was shocked when he told her that he was a Christian. Yeah, lots of stereotyping goin' on with her.

[PaulaFarrell]

103. it was reasonably common in Texas when i grew up

Though it meant more to haggle very persistently rather than swindle or cheat. Not sure if that makes it better...

[Number23]

2. Holy freaking moley. That is astonishing

K&R

[pantsonfire]

3. Jews in New York are very pro-Israel, many moving to NY from Israel...

....Sanders won the international vote of Americans living in Israel something like 3-1.

[Behind the Aegis]

4. So is this a good thing or a bad thing.

I need someone to 'splain to me. I mean, after all, just because I am Jew, should I vote like the rest of my people? If we vote for the Jew, then we are "blindly following our tribe", if we don't vote for the Jew, then we are traitors (or are more loyal to Israel, as it has been decreed the non-Jew is better in regards to Israel, and that is the one, true issue at the heart of all Jews (that last part is known as a popular tongue among my people, along with Yiddish)).

OY VEY, GEVALT!

Won't somebody, pleaseeeeeee, 'splain it to me!

(Again, , sorry, perhaps I should have stuck with Yiddish.)

[beam me up scottie]

5. The op sure is quiet, I wonder why?

Maybe one of the fine folks who rec'd this thread can explain?

[geek tragedy]

6. It is a fact that is relevant to the NY primary.

Just like Millennials, Latinos etc.

[berniepdx420]

31. Batman and Robin at it again.. the geek and the SF

[iAZZZo]

47. or a wwf/wwe tag team : - )

good to see your posts again berniepdx420

[Behind the Aegis]

34. How?

We are a small population, though large in NY. I still fail to understand why this is even "impactful" given that if Jews were supporting Sanders, it would be called "tribalism" and since they are voting Clinton, does that make them "good ones" or "bad ones. (y'know, more loyal to Israel and not really supporting Clinton)" Seems to me, some are spouting this 'fact' with glee because they want to make it about Jews and Israel, given that Clinton is supposedly "better for" Israel than Sanders.

The funny thing about Jews, we tend to vote democratic, but we still aren't monolith. That fact seems to be quite elusive to some.

[geek tragedy]

40. Yes, large in New York.

Where there is a primary on Tuesday.

Jews are relevant to the discussion just as much as other ethnic/religious groups.

And living in Crown Heights I certainly am aware that there is tremendous diversity within the different demographic categories.

You know my position on I/P well enough to know how this is playing out in NYC is not a source of glee. I agree with Sanders more than I do with Clinton on this issue.

[Behind the Aegis]

43. I am aware of the primary.

While we are certainly relevant as any other minority, what I am not liking is the playing with "our votes" and that is exactly what I am feeling and seeing.

Yes, I am aware of your position on I/P, which is why I find your comments here...fascinating.

[geek tragedy]

48. That happens with every important demo here.

obviously Jews vote on a lot besides Israel, just like Latinos vote on a lot more than immigration, etc.

Also it is a thing that members of privileged groups get treated like individuals while minorities or members of oppressed groups get treated like demographics. No one talks about the affluent Midwestern transplant vote here.

[passiveporcupine]

74. According to wiki demographics

Jews make up 13 percent of NYC total population. And while that's not a small number, it's not a large percentage of voters. I also think you need to consider that younger Jews are not all going to vote like their parents, and may have totally different views. Young Jews, like all young people in the US, are probably trending toward Bernie. And they were probably not picked up on a poll based on land lines.

[geek tragedy]

79. 16% in the state primary--roughly the same as black and Latinos. nt

[JI7]

41. their position on Israel is pretty much the same

[Behind the Aegis]

45. I agree.

Here's the issue, people are trotting us out like a flag of some sort. This isn't being treated, in my eyes, as just another "interesting fact" in the upcoming primary, but smells like an insult; "See, the crusty old Jew (which was a phrase used at DU) can't even attract his own kind." See, Jews are bad for supporting the Jewish candidate and we are bad for not supporting the Jewish candidate. It is similar in some of the remarks/articles being used in regards to women and their support or not of Clinton.

[Bonobo]

52. I share that feeling as well. "Trotting us out" is precisely it.

And I understand how other minorities must feel when THEY are used as political footballs.

[Behind the Aegis]

53. As a gay man, I can tell you, I have been feeling this for awhile now.

It isn't pleasant. The divisiveness, even in our own community, makes it worse.

[Bonobo]

55. It feels like worms crawling up my arms. nt

[QC]

94. But think of the vast new realms of pandering this opens!

How long until will see a "7 Ways Hillary is Just Like Your Bubbe" social media campaign?

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. I bet she can't make kishka, or latkes, or gefilte fish

Or hreing, like my dad used to. Never had a chance to meet my bube, from my dad's side...something about a Stuka bomber, a kitchen, and September 1, 1939. Somehow I expect her to make a serious gaffe about similar situations.

Myself I cannot eat any of that...food allergies. (Ok, I make the latkes at home, dad's recipe, just sub the flour)

[QC]

115. How long before she declares that Bernie is meshugge? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. For all intents and purposes they already have

[grossproffit]

104. I'm looking forward to the day when Asian Americans are the ones being courted.

I want to be courted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. They are, just not publicly

Tonight to be precise. In San Fran to be exact. Many of tje Bundlers are Asian American

[dchill]

51. And 48,000 people in Washington Square Park.

None of whom were Jewish, I take it?

[passiveporcupine]

75. Then why focus on just this one?

Why isn't the OP listing all demographics and how they poll?

[geek tragedy]

77. black and latino voters and young have been discussed pretty thoroughly

[passiveporcupine]

80. Except with Jews, you are not talking just about race,

but religion. Practicing Jews probably tend to vote somewhat differently than non-practicing Jews. And I bet there is a much larger percentage of non-practicing Jews who are younger and not available on land-lines for polls.

[geek tragedy]

82. there's diversity within all broad demographic groups.

[Bonobo]

7. Goysplaining nt

[Fawke Em]

32. From my Jewish husband: Guffaw, good one, Dude.

Yeah, he can do the Yiddish, but that was his first reaction.

Now, he's in the kitchen kvetching over the lox (seriously, he is).

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Ah some good lox and cream cheese

Enjoy

[Behind the Aegis]

38. Yup!

Never a shortage of those wanting...needing...to 'splain to us about us, our culture, and the prejudices against us.

[nolawarlock]

100. I will never understand ...

... why people expect all members of any particular group to vote for any particular candidate. What happened to personal choice? I a also gay and, while my marriage is definitely an influential factor in my vote, it's hardly the only one.

Well, at least they aren't saying that Jews have Stockholm Syndrome like one poster here said about the African American Hillary supporters. As far as I'm concerned, vote your conscience.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Oy

you are a mench you know, and this will be fun.

But some of these folks might accuse you of being an Alter cocker... these demands you know...

[RandySF]

13. So

It's ok to talk about polling among women, Latinos, etc, but not Jewish voters. Pollsters polls Jews, Catholics and evangelicals all the time. Jewish voters are not monolithic but a key group in NY.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Nah, just extremely amused at how you guys speak of this

it is truly lego blocks, But at least you are admiring we are not monolithic, Wish you could do it for everybody else. By the way, if you understood the nature of that particular Jewish demographic, it actually speaks volumes. I am not sure you will get the nuance.

[RandySF]

19. I just know what the numbers say

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. But you do not understand WHY

and I will leave it at that. I am just ammused

[passiveporcupine]

83. ^^this^^

[passiveporcupine]

78. Then why not talk about catholics

There are many more of them than Jews.

37 percent of NYers are catholic, compared to 13 percent Jews.

[Behind the Aegis]

39. LOL!

I am only 46! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

LOL!

Wait....have to run...some kids...on MY lawn!

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Dad used that one often

Goyshe Kop was another favorite

[RandySF]

14. I'm not telling anyone what to do.

But ifs a sizable chunk of the primary electorate in NY like evangelical are in South Carolina. But just as SC evangelicals did not flock to Cruz, Bernie might not be able to count on Jewish voters.

[Behind the Aegis]

27. I didn't say or imply you were.

I fail to see why Sanders needs to "count on" the Jewish vote. What many are failing to understand, most of us just don't "vote for the Jew."

[MoonRiver]

109. It is just a poll which shows people identifying as Jewish prefer Hillary over Bernie.

My husband is Jewish, and he's a Hillary supporter. Nothing nefarious here, just another poll.

[Behind the Aegis]

114. If you say so.

It isn't the poll I was questioning.

[jfern]

9. Probably a huge MOE there. He won expats in Israel.

[RandySF]

16. Any subgroup has a large MOE

Hence Hillary's big wins in Latino caucus sites in NV even though Bernie led in entrance polls.

[jfern]

21. Exit polls have larger samples and are more accurate

Even in NY the Jewish percentage isn't that high.

[RandySF]

23. They sampled roughly 150 Latinos

[jfern]

26. So what's the sample here?

[JI7]

29. that was a small group of about 600 total votes

It represented that one group but not all or even most expats.

There are a lot more Americans there who will vote when their state votes.

[jfern]

30. Much larger than the sample size here

And expats in Israel are probably over 90% Jewish.

[JI7]

36. what you showed were specific votes. the op it's a poll on more voters

[JI7]

10. this shouldn't be surprising , it's consistent with her support among blacks and hispanics

[Bonobo]

12. Is THIS surpring -from the same poll:

Hillary Clinton has a comfortable lead over her rival Senator Bernie Sanders in the New York primary for the Democratic nomination in 2016, a new poll showed on Monday.

According to the Siena Research poll, Clinton leads Sanders 55 to 34 percent in a head-to-head matchup among Democratic voters in New York. The Brooklyn-born Jewish Senator trails Hillary by a 8 point margin among Jewish Democratic voters (41-33). 20 percent had no opinion.

Nonetheless, when it comes to favorability, Sanders has a 44/36 favorable/unfavorable ratings among Jewish New Yorkers. Hillary, an establishment favorite and better known to the Jewish community, has a 16-point negative rating (37/53 favorable/unfavorable).

Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio has the highest favorability out of all presidential hopefuls among Jewish voters. By a 47 to 34 percentage point margin, Jewish voters see Rubio as favorable, while 61 percent see Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump as unfavorable.
While New York would not even be in play in the general election, Rubio leads Hillary 46-42 among Jewish voters in the Empire State. Hillary leads Trump and Ted Cruz between 4 to 6 percent in hypothetical match-ups. In 2012, President Barack Obama beat Republican Mitt Romney among Jewish voters in New York by a 52-41 percentage point margin, according to the RJC’s exit poll.

[JI7]

22. That's not surprising either

[Bonobo]

25. What you don't seem to get is that this signifies here recognition as a Neo Liberal. nt

[thesquanderer]

117. It's not a contradiction, because it's NOT from the same poll... but it IS odd.

The Clinton 80/19 favorable/unfavorable among Jewish voters in NY is from an April poll. The 37/53 favorable/unfavorable is from a February poll. That's an awful lot of swing in two months. Something seems off there. Unless I'm misreading something.

[geek tragedy]

24. It's also policy driven.

I suspect that spread may wind up even wider as the NYDN interview fully sinks in.

[Bonobo]

11. About this highly unlikely poll...

I call bullshit. Something isn't right. Read the bold. I simply do not believe it.
-----------------------
Hillary Clinton has a comfortable lead over her rival Senator Bernie Sanders in the New York primary for the Democratic nomination in 2016, a new poll showed on Monday.

According to the Siena Research poll, Clinton leads Sanders 55 to 34 percent in a head-to-head matchup among Democratic voters in New York. The Brooklyn-born Jewish Senator trails Hillary by a 8 point margin among Jewish Democratic voters (41-33). 20 percent had no opinion.

Nonetheless, when it comes to favorability, Sanders has a 44/36 favorable/unfavorable ratings among Jewish New Yorkers. Hillary, an establishment favorite and better known to the Jewish community, has a 16-point negative rating (37/53 favorable/unfavorable).

Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio has the highest favorability out of all presidential hopefuls among Jewish voters. By a 47 to 34 percentage point margin, Jewish voters see Rubio as favorable, while 61 percent see Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump as unfavorable.

While New York would not even be in play in the general election, Rubio leads Hillary 46-42 among Jewish voters in the Empire State. Hillary leads Trump and Ted Cruz between 4 to 6 percent in hypothetical match-ups. In 2012, President Barack Obama beat Republican Mitt Romney among Jewish voters in New York by a 52-41 percentage point margin, according to the RJC’s exit poll.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I actually get it

but that is because I have family in that area of the country. Will send you a PM

[Bonobo]

18. OK, seems weird to me but... looking forward to hearing from you. nt

[jfern]

28. Bernie won expats in Israel 60-39

http://www.democratsabroad.org/global_presidential_primary_results

[JI7]

33. that does not represent all or even most expats. there are a lot more

Americans there who will vote. What you show is a small number from that one group where total was like 600

[jfern]

35. Gentile expats isn't relevant to this thread

[JI7]

37. there are way more jewish Americans in israel than 600

[jfern]

46. Well, still he clearly won it

Hillary had won in it 2008. And I'm sure expats in Israel are pretty likely to know that Bernie isn't the biggest fan of Likud bombing Palestine all the time.

[JI7]

49. there are like 200 thousand americans in israel. this was a total

Of about 600 votes

[Bonobo]

44. Expats overwhelmingly voted for Sanders over Hillary in Japan. nt

[flamingdem]

50. What about the Celts? Are they breaking Bernie

or Hillary?

[Surya Gayatri]

56. Interesting. HRC's Jewish lead has widened from 8 to 22 points,

even while her overall lead has narrowed since March. Young new voters, independents and libertarians probably have a good deal to with that.

Going back to his Brooklyn "roots" doesn't seem to be working for St. Bernard.

[BeanMusical]

57. St. Bernard?

You are calling him a dog breed name? That's despicable.

[Surya Gayatri]

58. No, just giving due respect to his beatified status among his disciples.

[BeanMusical]

59. Yeah, right. Just like calling him BS is just like calling hillary HRC.

Post by boston » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:51 pm

Give me a B. Give me an S.

What do you got?

BS

What does it mean?

Bull Shit

https://web.archive.org/web/20150924083441/http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=480

[Surya Gayatri]

60. Well, 'ole Bean buddy, YOU said 'BS' means "bullshit". I personally wouldn't have

been so explicit.

But, truth be known, I couldn't agree more with your assessment. Well said!

[BeanMusical]

61. Wow, that's quite a spin and a twist, I'm impressed!

And continue to enjoy that sewer of a site where antisemitic crap has also been posted.

[Surya Gayatri]

62. DU is my go-to site and no other. It's SO much more user-friendly than other sites out there.

Don't you agree?

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Actually I wish the dog whistle was just that

Will pm you

[Prism]

63. Ooh, racial mud

Let's roll in it!

Do you realize how shitty your Op's purpose is?

No, don't answer that. I'm aware of the clueless shamelessness.

[ericson00]

65. not a surprise: the BDS/anti-Israel far-left is scary

and Bernie has pandered to these people (not fullthroatedly condemning BDS, missing AIPAC, associating with Chomsky/West, his director of Jewish outreach), whose views are actively opposed by the Jewish mainstream.

Israel is not much of a dealmaker for Jewish Democrats, but it can be a deal-breaker, as it is for Bernie.

[NurseJackie]

66. Probably NOT what Bernie's campaign was expecting. What a DEVASTATING blow ...

... to his campaign. He's got NO CHANCE of winning New York and Bernie will NOT be the Democratic nominee.

[Vinca]

67. Probably because Bernie called out Israel for using too much force and killing

too many innocent Palestinians. What a bad, bad man . . . he cares about human life.

[hrmjustin]

68. One reason Sanders will lose Brooklyn badly is because the Hasidic communities are going for Hillary

[Smarmie Doofus]

69. Hmmm.... Just curious, since you sound rather pleased.

How do said communities feel about Clinton's alleged support for lgbt rights?

Include marriage equality, job discrimination, lgbt inclusion in school curricula, etc. etc. etc.

They ARE still against all of these things..... no?

So, how do they reconcile their support for Clinton? Who... we are told over and over... is in FAVOR of all these things.

Or do they know something about Clinton that the rest of us DON'T know? ( i.e. That she's not serious about ANY of the above.)

[hrmjustin]

71. Good question to which I do not have an answer to.

[Smarmie Doofus]

72. Appreciate your honesty and integrity. (Always have.)

So let's figure out this "Clinton" thing of yours.

Just kidding. ( Sort of. ) Support the person you feel is best.

[hrmjustin]

91. Thanks my friend!

[passiveporcupine]

84. Hmmm...Jews are only 15% of the Brooklyn population

but they will determine the outcome of this race?

Good to know!

[Behind the Aegis]

87. I know you are being sarcastic, but...

...that line of thinking as been posited before, including here. Look back to the Obama/Clinton run and when s/he lost certain venues. When Obama was running against McCain, the "Jew" vote was called into question many times. When Kerry lost, the Jews of Ohio were blamed; for Gore, among other reasons, the Jews of Florida were blamed.

This is actually nothing new for us.

[hrmjustin]

90. If you know anything about Brooklyn you would know the Hasidic community has higher

voter particpation rates in Brooklyn than most other communities.

And I did say one reason.

[Behind the Aegis]

92. And if you know anything about the Hasidic community, they tend to vote Republican.

The Hasidim and other Orthodox Jews tend to vote Republican, rarely crossing to the Democratic side.

[hrmjustin]

93. In the general. But if you lived here you would know many of them are still registered Democrats.

[Behind the Aegis]

95. So you say, but the numbers say different.

I have friends and family there, the more orthodox, the more republican. This isn't something pulled out of the air, this has been going on for a long time in the US, especially in NY and NJ.

[hrmjustin]

96. Well I know what I see and hear on the ground here.

[Behind the Aegis]

97. And I know what I see in the polls, exit polls and Jewish media.

Chasidim vote republican.

[hrmjustin]

98. In the general but many vote in the Democratic primaries here.

I am sorry but I am done arguing with you.

[laserhaas]

73. Here's how the Poll was conducted

Hello ..we have a question

--''Okay

Are you voting Hillary or Bernie

--"I'm feeli...CLICK

[closeupready]

76. Which means in ACTUALITY, they are running EVEN.

[seabeyond]

89. That has gotta hurt. Nt

[BeanMusical]

105. Antisemitism always hurt.

ETA: Talking about that shitty thread BTW.

[seabeyond]

107. So, 60% of Jewish are antisemitic?

[BeanMusical]

108. Your reading comprehension skills are astonishing.

I'll repeat: I'm talking about this shitty thread.

[lagomorph777]

101. And 99-1 among CEOs

Your point being what? That he didn't kiss AIPAC butt and some Netanyahoos are pissed off? Too damn bad.

[JI7]

106. Netyanhu Campaigned Against Obama and Obama still won the Jewish Vote

Clinton just has a better organization and knows how to reach out to different communities. it's why she leads with many other groups also.

[Sheepshank]

113. A very interesting and telling statistic.