Let me get this straight Hillary supporters - Democratic Corporate Whores=bad. Nazis = good?

[jillan]

More anti-semitic crap being thrown at our Jewish nominee from Hillary surrogates.

[NanceGreggs]

1. Was Tom Watson a speaker ...

... at an HRC event where he made that statement, and then she came out and thanked him for his speech?

[dchill]

3. This is not the sixties.

Whore is not a dirty word anymore. It's a word that describes a dirty person.

[one_voice]

8. No. It's not a word to describe a dirty

person. That's nonsense.

[NanceGreggs]

9. Can you stay on topic? n/t

[dchill]

10. Sure. The crowd was 48,000, according to NYPD.

I know that's gotta suck for you. But having fake morality swoons on DU isn't going to put a dent in that, is it?

[NanceGreggs]

41. Well, apparently ...

... you CAN'T stay on topic.

Big crowds are awesome!!! Too bad the primary process doesn't award delegates on that basis. Only VOTES count - crowd-size doesn't count for anything.

[dchill]

45. Only DELEGATES count. And you don't get to supervise the topic.

It's not your thread. And, the REAL topic is 48,000.

Isn't it?

[MFM008]

56. Obama got 24 +thousand in NY

and he lost the state.
People that DON'T show up vote as well.

[jillan]

11. He just works with Peter Daou - he is part of her campaign. Runs one of her superpacs.

Just a spokesman for Hillary, that is all.

But if you want to make excuses for anti-semitism, have at it my dear.

[amborin]

15. Didn't know that! It's even more serious, then; it's virulent anti-Semitic hate speech

essentially from HER campaign

[NanceGreggs]

18. I'll ask again.

Was Tom Watson a speaker at an HRC event where he made that statement, and then she came out and thanked him for his speech?

[cui bono]

20. Why are you asking that? What difference does it make?

[revbones]

22. So a supposed insult only counts from a speaker at an event?

Does the skit where the used CP Time count then?

[NanceGreggs]

27. When a speaker at an event ...

... says something offensive, and the candidate for whom he was speaking thanks him for his remarks, yes, that is different than any individual saying something in a Tweet - as an individual, and not in any official capacity for a candidate.

Did Hillary tweet a "thank you" to Watson for his comments?

[revbones]

29. I'm sure Hillary thanked Deblasio after their skit.

So I'm sure you're outraged about that racist joke as well.

[NanceGreggs]

35. Who thought it was offensive ...

... other than BS supporters?

You might want to check out the AA Group here on DU once in a while - that's the place where the people who were supposed to be outraged about that skit - uh, how do I put this? - weren't.

[revbones]

36. Who?

Who other than BNR readers and Hillary followers ready to gin up fake outrage thought the "corporate whore" comment was offensive?

It's such an overused non-sexist term, it's even on urban dictionary:

One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corporate+whore

I also think many were offended by using "CP Time" in what amounted to a minstrel show.

[NanceGreggs]

39. "I also think many were offended ...

... by using "CP Time" in what amounted to a minstrel show."

Okay. Name them. Other than BSers, who were these many offended people?

[revbones]

46. Have you named anyone other than BNR and Hillary followers that found "corporate whore" sexist?

Or were even outraged by it? Why do you expect others to square up to a standard you're not able to.

Now, I'm sure you're able to contort into a position where white people saying "CP Time" isn't racist. But if you're able to twist up that far, I can't fathom how you'd try to say "corporate whore" is sexist.

[NanceGreggs]

48. So you can't name anyone ...

... other than BSers, who found the "CP Time" skit offensive. Good - we've got that out of the way.

I never said that the term "corporate whore" was sexist.

What I DO find offensive is someone running as a candidate for the Democratic Party thanking a speaker for saying that any Democrat is a "whore".

If Bernie thinks he's gaining any traction among actual Democrats by thanking someone for demeaning their party, he's free to do so. I suspect that the NY primary results will reflect just what NY Democrats think about someone who has consistently demeaned their Party, and their judgment in electing the people they have to represent them.

But of course, the usual BS excuses will be trotted out - the vote was rigged, Bernie supporters had their registrations flipped - or he would have won, but he thought going to the Vatican to deliver a ten-minute speech was more important, and thereby lost his much-touted "momentum".

[revbones]

49. I choose not to, as I suspect you have as well.

I think there's a difference between calling someone a "whore" and a "corporate whore", given it's common usage now.

I also think that people that believe that the "D" behind someone's name is magical. By the very definition I linked to in the urban dictionary, there are many democrats that are corporate whores.

One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corporate+whore

By that definition, many believe it applies to Hillary as well.

I really don't get people that assume you can't speak ill of anyone in the party. If they truly believed that, then they should move to North Korea and get used to saying "Dear Leader" a lot, because that's basically what they're asking, just "Dear Party Member" instead.

[NanceGreggs]

50. If disparaging the Party ...

... you are hoping to nominate you as their leader doesn't strike you as counter-productive, I don't know what else to tell you.

[revbones]

51. Where is the line for people like you?

What crime is finally too much and would cross the line for you that would cause you to not support a Democrat? Is there a line? Putting aside all the lines Hillary has crossed, where is that line for you?

It's a bit bizarre hearing from some about party loyalty so much so that it takes the small-d democracy and big tent aspects out of the Democratic Party completely.

[NanceGreggs]

52. Lke I said ...

... we'll let Democrats decide who represents them and who doesn't.

Thus far, millions of more Democrats have voted for HRC than BS. The Democrats ARE speaking - and I think they'll be speaking up in NY next week.

[revbones]

60. So a democrat guilty of murder and sitting in jail - would still have your vote?

Where is the line?

[Fumesucker]

68. Sadly The Line is Over The Hill

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5314138

[840high]

40. How about Albright?

[NanceGreggs]

42. How about her? n/t

[840high]

71. She wants to send women

like me to hell. I did not hear Hillary asking for apology.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

43. it's only offensive if you are one

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corporate+whore

[840high]

74. What amazed me is how quickly

Hillary supporters assumed it was about Hillary. Very telling.

[Politicalboi]

76. Nobody said anything offensive

It's you guys who say he's talking about Hillary. Blame yourselves. You guys brought it there. Corporate Whore is gender free. Thank you.

[floriduck]

78. Are you tripping over little people?

[beam me up scottie]

2. The term 'corporate whore' has always been acceptable here.

I'm waiting for Hillary supporters to try to spin this into something acceptable. You know like saying that he wasn't paid to say it or he deleted it or something similar.

[jillan]

4. See above.

Lame attempt.

[beam me up scottie]

7. Fun fact: most corporate whores are men.

It has nothing to do with gender, they're manufacturing outrage.

[Dragonfli]

19. There is a reason the term has always been accepted here, it is often used, and in a specific way

it's meaning is well known when speaking of a subset of very real politicians.

Those that don't understand it's meaning and use are either deliberately trying to twist it's meaning in an attempt to disrupt, or they are too ignorant to post intelligently on a political forum, one may decide for oneself which fits which category.

[cui bono]

21. You'd think people on message boards would understand considering how commnon "post whore" is.

It's yet another faux outrage playing the gender card, undermining the women's movement every chance they get. I don't know if they are too stupid to know they are doing it or they really don't have one iota of principle left.

.

[Dragonfli]

24. Some of each I would Imagine. Never underestimate human stupidity or lack of principles /nt

[revbones]

30. Yeah, but that doesn't play into their claims of sexism does it? nt

[cui bono]

33. As a woman I am so sick and tired of them playing the gender card.

It is detrimental to the women's movement.

.

[beam me up scottie]

25. We've railed against them for years, big money in politics used to be a bad thing.

When did poutrage over the term and defending corrupt politicians become the cause du jour?

[Dragonfli]

26. Since a corrupt politician became popular here with some (short answer) /nt

[beam me up scottie]

59. Good answer.

[VulgarPoet]

69. It's tumblr feminism in action.

I swear I've seen the same kind of postings go up on r/tumblrinaction before.

[one_voice]

5. That was wrong.

At least he apologized.

[jillan]

12. Watson apologized? Where? He took his tweet down but I have not seen an apology.

[geek tragedy]

14. That means you never bothered checking his Twitter feed

But who would think to look there?

[amborin]

17. an apology for anti-Semitic hate speech will not suffice; he needs to step down and be charged

for the crime he committed.

[one_voice]

16. Here:

Tom Watson ‏@tomwatson 4h4 hours ago Manhattan, NY

Mea culpa: reference earlier tonight to style of Sanders rally was historically insensitive - unintentionally, but deserves an apology.


https://twitter.com/tomwatson/status/720416705533517824

Tom Watson
‏@tomwatson

@AlexDropkin I'm familiar with the language, Alex. My regret is real. Accept it or not.

https://twitter.com/tomwatson/status/720442380432879617

[cui bono]

23. Where is the actual apology? That isn't one.

[one_voice]

28. Mea Culpa

Mea culpa is a Latin phrase that means "through my fault" and is an acknowledgement of having done wrong. Grammatically, meā culpā is in the ablative case, with an instrumental meaning


is what is said. I've seen that used as an apology all the time. looked liked an apology to me.


edited to add: I really don't care. I have no idea who this guy is. I just came across this tweet.

[cui bono]

31. Not the same thing as an apology. Admitting fault and apologizing for it are two different things.

He did post that it deserves an apology, but he forgot the actual apology.

This is a non-apology.

.

[one_voice]

32. It's not my apology

so I don't give a shit.

[cui bono]

34. So why are you posting about it then? You brought it up!

And it's no one's apology since it isn't one.

.

[one_voice]

37. I wasn't posting about the apology.

It all started with me saying the tweet was wrong-at least he apologized. I was asked for the apology and I posted it. that's where you come along....deciding what is or isn't an apology.

So now I'm done

Have a most pleasant evening.

[cui bono]

38. You said, in reply to the OP: "That was wrong. At least he apologized."

Seems to me that is posting about the (non)apology.



.

[Art_from_Ark]

53. "Mea culpa" is the lamest apology imaginable

I would be surprised if even half the population knows what it means.

[cui bono]

62. It only acknowledges fault, which is not apologizing. n/t

[Hydra]

6. Double standard alive and welll

It's not for nothing though- this level of spinning and sheer panic means next Tues could be quite interesting.

[Half-Century Man]

13. Not really sure what Tommy boy means

Are you asking if the PTB are passing out starry armbands to mark the attendees for later?
Or are you asking if the political revolution is adopting some sort of marker, like blue tee shirts or Bernie logos to show solidarity?


Considering Tommy hates the rally in Washington square, I think he'd prefer the starry ones.

[AgerolanAmerican]

44. Bernie had a rally, Hitler had rallies

thus Bernie = Hitler

/hillaryfanlogic

[VulgarPoet]

70. So Hillary logic is an immediate invocation of Godwin's Law.

Explains, so much.

[AgerolanAmerican]

47. previous instances of the use of "corporate whore" on this site

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22corporate+whore%22+%2Bsite%3Ademocraticunderground.com&biw=1280&bih=612&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A4%2F12%2F2016&tbm=#q=%22corporate+whore%22+%2Bsite:democraticunderground.com&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:4/12/2016&start=0

only time anyone had a problem with it, ironically, was when the moderators shut down a thread started by a Hillary supporter on the topic, apparently to pre-empt the charge they knew was coming

[RandySF]

54. If anyone called the crowd Nazis, then it's wrong.

But armbands have been used in other places.

[JonLeibowitz]

55. That is not the commonly understood association of 'armbands' and 'hate'

[Warren DeMontague]

57. Wow, way to double down.

[beam me up scottie]

58. Jesus fucking Christ. How much lower can you go?

At least the anti-Semitic asshole Watson deleted his tweet and kinda sorta apologized.

Let's see how long you leave this up.

[amborin]

63. excusing blatant anti Semitism

[polly7]

66. Posters used the term 'corporate whore' in three of your threads,

I just read here this morning yet not a peep from you.



Many here lost family either who lived there during this horror or who died fighting it ...... how dare you make light of it. That was disgusting.

[Goblinmonger]

67. So you "apologize" for antisemitism with red baiting.

[ibegurpard]

72. we're going to need an apology from Hillary herself

[DFab420]

77. Hate Rally, Armbands, BernieBund. Clear Nazi dogwhistles

to anyone who is a: ignorant to history or b: intellectually lazy

so which one is it Randy?

[Avalux]

61. What an asshole. n/t

[polly7]

64. Those are pretty disgusting double standards they'v got. nt.

[NuclearDem]

65. Neither are acceptable, and one doesn't excuse the other.

[Armstead]

75. Especially since Sanders family was wiped out in the Holocaust