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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:50 AM Apr 2016

Leadership: Bernie apologizes for speaker's "whore" remark. Hill blames de Blasio for her racism.

And since I can't make "corporate whore" fit the title, I assume anyone reading this is aware the speaker was referring to the political whores who sell out to the healthcare/insurance industry. It's a typically used phrase in political discourse, a lot like "media whores" who take Clinton talking points and use them to distract from positive developments in the Sanders campaign, like last night's tremendous rally, or negative developments in the Clinton campaign, like racist remarks, horrible foreign policy decisions, tainted fundraising, and criminality with regards to her emails.

http://www.wcbm.com/2016/04/13/hillary-blames-de-blasio-for-racist-joke/

Hillary Blames De Blasio for RACIST Joke
April 13, 2016

Amid a firestorm of criticism from black community leaders, Hillary Clinton distanced herself Tuesday from a skit with Mayor de Blasio that included a tone-deaf racial joke about “ CP time.”

“Well, look, it was Mayor de Blasio’s skit,” Clinton said in an interview with Cosmopolitan.com

“He has addressed it, and I will really defer to him because it is something that he’s already talked about.”

The phrase “CP time” — which stands for “colored people time” — is a negative stereotype implying black people are habitually late.

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Leadership: Bernie apologizes for speaker's "whore" remark. Hill blames de Blasio for her racism. (Original Post) Karmadillo Apr 2016 OP
Most Bernie supporters on this site think that term ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #1
Most Hill Fans think racial slurs are ok... berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #3
Bernie disavows something some one else said. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #6
CORPORATE whore and DU and liberals have been doing it for years. nc4bo Apr 2016 #9
Considering that DU owes much to Media Whores Online (the Horse)... bigbrother05 Apr 2016 #42
CORPORATE Whore. Please stop with the lying. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #13
And I will repeat this ad nauseum passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #40
So Bernie should call Hillary a "corporate whore" in the debates. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #41
He wouldn't do that, because he always tries to be respectful passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #43
I wonder if they think her Gandhi/gas station remarks were OK? Karmadillo Apr 2016 #8
That's idiotic. Themis post is about leadership. morningfog Apr 2016 #5
Up and down this site Bernie supporters are ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #7
Aw, you're bummed your first point fell flat. You're chapped morningfog Apr 2016 #10
If Bernie was so admirable, he'd adopt the term JoePhilly Apr 2016 #11
You've drifted to blind hate la la land now. morningfog Apr 2016 #12
Why do Hillary supporters.. Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #16
Because Bernie supporters SUPPORT the use of the term "corporate whore" ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #23
DUers using that term here for years. Kittycat Apr 2016 #31
Does "under the bus" mean just ANYTHING to you? Bonobo Apr 2016 #20
Just checked. No bus overhead. frylock Apr 2016 #21
Hillary thinks the terms is fine. phleshdef Apr 2016 #25
so you're a mindreader now. Accusation of racism is good enough geek tragedy Apr 2016 #30
I don't believe Hillary Clinton is racist. phleshdef Apr 2016 #32
oh, gotcha, you're claiming Clinton thinks it's okay geek tragedy Apr 2016 #33
She has used the word herself. She has a well documented potty mouth on her in private settings. phleshdef Apr 2016 #35
standards for private and public speech are radically different nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #37
Yes, because we live in a fake ass society full of hypocrisy. phleshdef Apr 2016 #38
sounds like a winning approach for building a successful career nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #39
Couldn't be more of a stark contrast... I'm waiting for Hill Fans to say.. berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #2
when the hell did bernie use the word "whore?" restorefreedom Apr 2016 #14
Thanks. I updated the OP title to clarify source of the remark. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #17
ahhhh i get it now restorefreedom Apr 2016 #18
Incredible. HRC talking points 4.14.16, Bernie called youknowwho a youknowwhat nc4bo Apr 2016 #15
Class shows. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #19
Ayup. She's a real leader... AzDar Apr 2016 #22
Hillary participated in the de Blasio racist skit and knew the lines in advance BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #24
To be honest, neither of these incidents particularly bother me. phleshdef Apr 2016 #26
FALSE EQUIVALENCY. merrily Apr 2016 #27
It's about character...one has it, the other doesn't. Punkingal Apr 2016 #28
Dishonest post. De Blasio made the offending statement, not Clinton. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #29
When has Hillary EVER taken responsibility for any of her mistakes? EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #34
She's just displaying her diplomatic "experience"...aka CYA Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #36

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
1. Most Bernie supporters on this site think that term ...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

... is just fine.

And Bernie just threw them all under the bus.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
3. Most Hill Fans think racial slurs are ok...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

See it goes both ways...

Only difference is, Hillary can't own it, which is very reflective of her supporters.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
4. Bernie disavows something some one else said.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

So did Hillary.

Meanwhile almost every Bernie supporter think the term whore is perfectly acceptable term to apply to their opponent.

You don't see any Hillary supporters doing that.

Personally, I hope your side keeps using it.

Bernie would win in a landslide, right?

Response to JoePhilly (Reply #4)

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
9. CORPORATE whore and DU and liberals have been doing it for years.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

Oh the poutrage. Oh the horror. OMFG! 1111!!!

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
42. Considering that DU owes much to Media Whores Online (the Horse)...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

Think that most here understand the context of a corporate/media whore to be less sexual/sexist and more a reflection of action and more often applied to men.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
13. CORPORATE Whore. Please stop with the lying.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:10 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary doesn't perform sexual favors for money. She is, however, willing to take money to have other people screwed over at the behest of her corporate clients.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
40. And I will repeat this ad nauseum
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016

Whore has different uses and definitions, so you can't assume what someone "meant" when they use it. You have to see the context. And the context of corporate whore is not about sex, it's about debasing yourself by doing something unworthy for money. It's about selling yourself for money, not physically, but your soul and your standards. And in the corporate sense, it means taking money from corporations and doing favors for them in return. There is nothing sexy or sexual about that.

Is that based on the term whore as a "prostitute"? Yes, but even the word prostitute has different definitions. It can be a woman selling sex for money, or it can be

a person who misuses their talents or who sacrifices their self-respect for the sake of personal or financial gain.


I was wrong in an earlier thread when I said a male prostitute is called a whore...there are a lot of other terms for that, but not typically whore...but the definition of whore relating to men is a man who is whoring himself by using prostitutes.

Now the final usage of whore that is bothering everyone here is the female whore who is not a prostitute, but a "loose" woman (meaning any woman who is not married and enjoys sex...well I guess that makes me a whore ). In no way is corporate whore based on that definition.

So those of you who want to always read this word in the context of a loose woman are surely free to do so (and some of you have to turn everything into an attack on women), but in today's attitude toward sex, I don't even think it applies any more, and it is pretty obvious that it's usage in this context is not about "loose women". You can stop using it yourself, but I don't think you have the right to censor everyone else's use of the word just because you tend to be hyper sensitive about it.

BTW, I tried to find a synonym for corporate whore that might offend you less...and I can't find one. So sorry...you are not going to stop it's use.

Keep on freaking out over a political term that has been around forever and is based on the word prostitute when used to prostitute your soul, not your body for money.

Nobody used the word whore by itself. It was corporate whore. whole different meaning.

Nobody is throwing Bernie under the bus for trying to soothe your faux wounded feelings. He's just a nice and respectful guy and doesn't want to see this causing conflict.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
41. So Bernie should call Hillary a "corporate whore" in the debates.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

There are no more appropriate terms.

Got it.

You should call his campaign.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
43. He wouldn't do that, because he always tries to be respectful
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie would not get up and call Hillary a liar, even when she has lied (even about him). He addresses it more carefully so as not to offend, even if it is an offensive thing for Hillary to do. He's a very respectful person.

That doesn't mean others will not call out Hillary for what she is.

Many of the things Hillary supporters here have call Bernie are just as disrespectful (and dishonest).

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
5. That's idiotic. Themis post is about leadership.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie showed it, Hillary claims blameless victim.

He didn't throw anyone under the bus.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
7. Up and down this site Bernie supporters are ...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

... loudly declaring their support for the use of that term.

I hope you guys keep using it.

You won't here any Hillary supporter here do the same.

Bernie denounced one guy but the reality is the guy said something most of you cheered.

We won't see Bernie denouncing this sad fact about many of his supporters.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
10. Aw, you're bummed your first point fell flat. You're chapped
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

that Bernie is the more honorable leader. Got in the way of your morning cup of Bernie hate!

Lucky for you, you can still get your Bernie supporter hate on. Hate on, brother.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
16. Why do Hillary supporters..
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

have issues with corporate whores, but not with "CP time"?

And why do Hillary supporters constantly try to portray her as a hapless victim?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. Because Bernie supporters SUPPORT the use of the term "corporate whore" ...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

... and its application to Hillary.

No one who supports Hillary thinks the "CP time" is a term that should be used, or applied to anyone. And no one is suggesting that the Hillary campaign adopt that term or defend its use as ACCURATE.

There are plenty of folks on DU who think Bernie's campaign should use that term and apply it to Hillary.

Maybe Bernie should do what his supporters clearly wish he would do and adopt that term.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
31. DUers using that term here for years.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

(Reposting from another thread)
You know good and well having been the long time members of DU that you claim to be, what a Corporate whore is. If you have forgotten, here is the definition entered in to the Urban Dictionary in 2003:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corporate+whore
One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.
My efforts are not driven by my passion for work, but by my own gluttony, my addition to money. I have become what I once despised—forsaken myself, sacrificed my values at the corporate alter of greed. I am a corporate whore.
by Syllabus September 28, 2003

And used quite often on DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1727002

(hat tip to Joe the Revelator for this small sampling)


A fun look back at the use of 'Corporate Whore' on DU over the years [View all]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x429981 (Bush)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x471829 (Michelle Bauchman)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3834259 (Huckabee)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x370897 (Obama)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026282102 (Prescott Bush was a NAZI whore. 115 recs)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x778732 (Michelle Ree)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7279334 (Rick Berman)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3989371 (Everybody)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2014241 (anyone who doesn't support local buisness)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1481831 (Romney)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2072784 (The sierra club)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5393707 (Clinton, Obama, McCain)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x139160 (MSNBC)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1905122 (Jeff Landry)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125142040 (Huffpo)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014863175#post36 (Michelle Bauchman)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511580034#post33 (CNN)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023707036#post55 (Chuck Todd)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014537440 (The entire congress)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1175068&mesg_id=1175149

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5679089&mesg_id=5679933 (Obama)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8613952&mesg_id=8614150 (Rahm)

The list goes literally on and on and on.....
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. so you're a mindreader now. Accusation of racism is good enough
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

for the hardcore Hillary Haters.

Please tell me you'll be commenting on Tuesday night.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
33. oh, gotcha, you're claiming Clinton thinks it's okay
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

for people to be described as "whores" from the speaker's podium at events featuring presidential candidates.

I would have to disagree.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
35. She has used the word herself. She has a well documented potty mouth on her in private settings.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

And I'm fine with that really. I typically reject sanctimonious bullshit.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
38. Yes, because we live in a fake ass society full of hypocrisy.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

People need to get fucking real already.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
2. Couldn't be more of a stark contrast... I'm waiting for Hill Fans to say..
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

"But Bernie isn't black, so it should be ok, right?"

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
14. when the hell did bernie use the word "whore?"
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:11 AM
Apr 2016

video or direct quote, please, cuz i am not buying it

what is this shit?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
18. ahhhh i get it now
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

the link was hanging up on me, so i could not read the whole article. thanks for clarifying. i could not imagine he would EVER say that. he almost never refers to clinton without saying "secretary" first, he would choke on the word "whore"

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
15. Incredible. HRC talking points 4.14.16, Bernie called youknowwho a youknowwhat
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

Even though the Bern never said it.

I'm hearing HRC surrogates on cnn now. Same here, right now. Coincidence? Orders got out really quickly.

Must appeal to a certain segment of voters at all costs.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
24. Hillary participated in the de Blasio racist skit and knew the lines in advance
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

My guess is that Bernie didn't review written speeches that the various people who spoke at Washington Square last night were going to make.

Hillary didn't even have the judgment to have the racist stereotype pulled from the skit; all she would have had to do was question it and it would have been gone.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. FALSE EQUIVALENCY.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary participated in a rehearsed skit. Sanders hosted a speaker and did not approve his speech in advance.

Sorry, equating the two is bs.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. Dishonest post. De Blasio made the offending statement, not Clinton.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

And the only ones crying racism are Bernie fans.



EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
34. When has Hillary EVER taken responsibility for any of her mistakes?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

She always deflects, and if possible, blames someone else.

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