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Bonobo

(29,257 posts) Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:24 AM Apr 2016

Hillary apology questionnaire

Given that some Black people were uncomfortable with Hillary's participating in a joke in which Black people were referred to as "Colored People" and their lack of being able to be on time for anything was joked about, should Hillary apologize?

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Hillary apology questionnaire (Original Post) Bonobo Apr 2016 OP

I see no evidence that rock Apr 2016 #1

When your question is built upon a false premise, nothing more needs to be said Tarc Apr 2016 #2

Gee, I wonder why you're digging this up. Is something bothering you? DanTex Apr 2016 #3

Yeah. Bonobo Apr 2016 #4

And you think that posting smears while defending the "whore" comment is going to help? DanTex Apr 2016 #5

IWhat's the "smear"? Are you uncomfortable with calling Black people "colored"? Bonobo Apr 2016 #7

No, I don't, it was a joke in poor taste. DanTex Apr 2016 #8

If it was in poor taste, why is it cool with you that Hillary didn't say it was in poor taste? Bonobo Apr 2016 #9

Because it was a scripted comedy skit, not a campaign rally. DanTex Apr 2016 #11

First of all, I doubt that Sanders knew and approved of that phrase. Bonobo Apr 2016 #12

I agree. But he's drawing that kind of energy and that kind of supporter. And he knows it. DanTex Apr 2016 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Bonobo Apr 2016 #14

Concern noted. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #6

Jury Results... Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #10

If you want them I got them Rybak187 Apr 2016 #16

So do I. Someone lost their alerting priv's for 24 hours Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #17

she should apologize for hiring David Brock, who said of Anita Hill, "she's a bit amborin Apr 2016 #15

Juror number 4... ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #18

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #19

rock

(13,218 posts)

1. I see no evidence that

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:18 AM

Apr 2016

The Blacks were upset with it. Of course if I'm wrong, I will re-evaluate the situation.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)

2. When your question is built upon a false premise, nothing more needs to be said

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:19 AM

Apr 2016

DanTex

(20,709 posts)

3. Gee, I wonder why you're digging this up. Is something bothering you?

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:20 AM

Apr 2016

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

4. Yeah.

Reply to DanTex (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:22 AM

Apr 2016

I am about to see the best hope for the representation of my politics lose to a politician I don't respect and don't trust.

See? The whole honesty thing bites me in the ass again.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)

5. And you think that posting smears while defending the "whore" comment is going to help?

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:24 AM

Apr 2016

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

7. IWhat's the "smear"? Are you uncomfortable with calling Black people "colored"?

Reply to DanTex (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:25 AM

Apr 2016

If so, you should urge Hillary to apologize for her participation.

That would be the honest thing to do.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)

8. No, I don't, it was a joke in poor taste.

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:26 AM

Apr 2016

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

9. If it was in poor taste, why is it cool with you that Hillary didn't say it was in poor taste?

Reply to DanTex (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:29 AM

Apr 2016

She KNEW the script for the comedy routine there, Dan.

Look, I didn't think it was a big deal and if you look, you will see I never commented on it.

But compared to the "whore" thing, I have two honest comments:

1) Unlike the above, Hillary actually was directly involved with foreknowledge of the joke in bad-taste
2) She blamed it on de Blasio in a rather "un-brave" way

DanTex

(20,709 posts)

11. Because it was a scripted comedy skit, not a campaign rally.

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:32 AM

Apr 2016

Bernie's got a surrogate calling Hillary a whore -- as an insult, not as a joke -- in front of thousands of screaming fans.

When you figure out the difference between the two, you will be on your way to understanding why your candidate is losing so badly.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

12. First of all, I doubt that Sanders knew and approved of that phrase.

Reply to DanTex (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:36 AM

Apr 2016

Second of all, a comedy sketch in poor taste is still in poor taste.

Now if you are talking about political effects and that kind of reality, then I understand what you are saying to some degree.

It was less "politic" if you will, less "professional" in the sense of polished politician performances.That is what you are driving at and you have a point.

However that does not really get at the display of outrage that people are claiming. Nor does it address Bernie's personal responsibility for the phrase and Hillary's lack of. So I will repeat one thing I already said: Hillary was directly involved in the CP time joke and Bernie probably had no knowledge that Song was going to drop the "Whore" bomb.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)

13. I agree. But he's drawing that kind of energy and that kind of supporter. And he knows it.

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:40 AM

Apr 2016

And he's been setting the tone himself, with the unqualified comments, with the lies about the fossil fuel industry money, and all that.

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Bonobo This message was self-deleted by its author.

LexVegas

(6,070 posts)

6. Concern noted. nt

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Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:24 AM

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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)

10. Jury Results...

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Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:31 AM

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Rybak187

(105 posts)

16. If you want them I got them

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Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:44 AM

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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)

17. So do I. Someone lost their alerting priv's for 24 hours

Reply to Rybak187 (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:45 AM

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amborin

(16,631 posts)

15. she should apologize for hiring David Brock, who said of Anita Hill, "she's a bit

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:43 AM

Apr 2016

slutty and a bit nutty."

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)

18. Juror number 4...

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Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:45 AM

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Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:46 AM

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On Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:27 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hillary apology questionnaire
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511730306

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

More shit stirring from this poster. It's getting a little late in the election season to be trashing and bashing our candidates. The politician who actually told the joke is taking responsibility for it. This is nothing but petty, childish, divisive flamebait.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:39 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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