So Bernie apologized. Now the outrage will shift to outrage at us supporters? Are you guys for real?

[Bonobo]

This is GDP, it is about the primaries and not about the supporters.

I submit that any thread discussing "supporters" is by definition meta and that it be treated as such.

[VulgarPoet]

1. It's the first corollary of Godwin's Law as applied to DU.

"As a DUer supports Hillary further and further, the probability of a wide-brush tarring of Bernie supporters approaches 1."

[djean111]

3. Exactly right. And widely observed. n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. ...and all it has done has encouraged me to be a little bit more open

in my support of Bernie. This one truly takes the cake, but I believe it is fear over the numbers and the people who are showing up to support this man.

[BeyondGeography]

2. Dunno...how many comments is the Bernie Bro/Hillary Hag thread up to?

Are you for real?

[Bonobo]

6. I didn't participate in that.

Is it filled with attacks on Hillary supporters? If so, it is Meta.

[BeyondGeography]

16. Your OP strongly implies that supporter poo flinging is primarily an HRC camp phenomenon

That's absurd.

[Orsino]

5. DU being what it is, "supporters" threads abound for the all-important scoring of points.

And these threads mostly suck, being devoid of content. But that's the primaries.

[morningfog]

7. They hate Bernie and the hate us.

It doesn't matter what we do or say. They'd rather align with Brock.

[reddread]

26. and align with those who foisted Clarence Thomas upon us

and those who foisted the IWR and all of that.
Presumably, by dint of the Thomas connection,
those who foisted GW upon us.

thats the facts jack.

[Dem2]

9. I'm moving on

However, those who continue to defend an indefensible remark that even Bernie has apologized for are just gluttons for punishment IMO.

[Bonobo]

10. I applaud you for being mature enough to do so. nt

[JoePhilly]

11. I think Bernie should adopt the terms his supporters clearly think are appropriate.

[Bonobo]

12. Then he would be Hillary -without the integrity of his own positions. nt

[JoePhilly]

15. Awe, you're no fun.

Here's the problem I think you face.

The correct move for Bernie supporters is to follow Bernie's lead. Denounce and reject the terms used, and say they are not appropriate.

Sanders supporters on this site WANT to use that term in reference to Hillary. And plenty of them WANT Bernie to use those terms too. You can find them in the various threads today.

The endless reflexive attacks on Hillary have been going on at DU for months now. I'll be surprised to see Bernie's most agitated supporters on this site backing away from that term and "dropping" discussion of it.

They want to use it.

[Bonobo]

18. Sorry, honesty is hard to cover up.

The truth is that, as a concept, I fully agree that the politicians that are in it for money deserve to be called bad names.

Now, on a personal level, I do not think women should be called whores.

But "corporate whores" really refers to a specific thing.

While I can understand that on a personal level calling someone a whore IS offensive, I do not want the phrase "corporate whore" to be forced into retirement. It is supposed to be a term of shame.

[JoePhilly]

27. So should Bernie adopt it and apply it to Hillary?

See ... that is what plenty of Bernie supporters on this site are now pushing for.

This isn't an abstract discussion of the term. Its a discussion of its actual use and application targeting a specific person. A female democrat.

Do you think Bernie will defend the term at the debate? How about its use in regards to Hillary?

If, as you indicate, the term is fine to use as a "term of shame" ... in the debate, Bernie would need to (a) make that same argument (its ok to use that term at times), and then (b) make a statement as to whether that "term of shame" should be applied to Hillary.

How do you think that would go?

[Bonobo]

29. No, he should not. And here is the actual quote. I found it.

"Medicare for all will never happen as long as we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores who are beholden to Big Pharma."

How is that applied to Hillary in this instance? I don't get how you can claim it is "calling Hillary a whore"?

[JoePhilly]

30. Listen to the entire statement the guy made.

And I think you are correct, Bernie should not argue that the term is OK to use, and he should not argue that it is correctly applied to Hillary. His campaign would end 10 seconds later.

Many of his supporters on this site do not get that. The think the term is ok to use, and they think it should be applied to Hillary.

Which is why this topic really won't go away .... they WANT to use it and apply it to Hillary.

[bkkyosemite]

13. There is no way that Bernie will get his due for thousands last night because the whore thing

will take up all the time to comment. He didn't say it. He said it was inappropriate. Enough. Bernie had thousands and thousands last night. The streets around the park (as the Fire Marshall would not let them in so it was full) had thousands. If that crowd was not more than 27,000 then someone does not want to really know how many were there.

[Bonobo]

14. It is what some people call "gaslighting"... I think. It is a dishonest way of silencing the message

eom

[seabeyond]

17. Well I dunno Bonobo, all I have addressed this morning is excusing calling Clinton a whore.

[Bonobo]

20. Was she actually called a whore, seabeyond?

As in "Hillary is a whore"? or even more obliquely?

I don't have the direct quote and haven't seen it, but I am told that he used the term in a general sense to refer to politicians that are for sale.

[seabeyond]

24. Yes.

[seabeyond]

19. And if twitter is the extent of the apology. Damn sure not good enough.

[Bonobo]

22. Not a real Scotsman. Got it. nt

[beam me up scottie]

21. They've moved on to "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!"

It's fascinating to watch it evolve.

If you're not properly horrified you're a misogynist and someone who wants children traumatized.

[Bonobo]

23. They are in Regressive Left mode. nt

[VulgarPoet]

25. Regressive Left bullshit, these are Neocons wearing (D) insignias. nt

[B Calm]

28. Their FAKE OUTRAGE never ends. Post an OP on Hillary's stances on

important issues and they'll avoid that thread big time. I guess they have all marching orders from Hillary to sling mud at Bernie and avoid discussion where she stands on issues that effect all of us.