so we are seriously going to let this "whore" stuff distract us from issues?

[restorefreedom]

we are in the critical phase of a presidential primary, and we are distracted by a comment someone made who WAS NOT BERNIE and WAS NOT WORKING FOR BERNIE. he called them out because he is uber classy, case closed.

we have a major debate tonight in a critical primary state and people are prattling on about something that is over?

oh wait, major debate, critical primary state, multiple distractions,....never mind, i think i got it.

squirrel!

[seabeyond]

1. Because women's issues just not what is important? Ya, kinda the whole discussion with Sanders.

[daleanime]

4. Because corporate control of our government....

is so helpful for women?

[seabeyond]

8. Nothing to do with what you said.

[anigbrowl]

70. I am so tired of Sanders fans claiming to decide what's important for everyone else

Frankly I'm reminded of those busybodies who ask whether I've been 'saved.' Yes, I care deeply about a lot of the same issues that Sanders fans do. So much so that I studied a lot of economics and law in order to understand them better and be a more effective advocate, as opposed to merely parading my attitude without doing any of the work to understand what factors drive the status quo.

[daleanime]

92. I should let you decide......

what's important to me?

[anigbrowl]

112. No, but you appear to be attempting to do exactly that for SeaBeyond

She says she has a problem with something, you jump in and say that your preferred issue is more important. You need to take a good long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you think it's OK to just negate other people's opinions.

[m-lekktor]

13. "whore" is not gender specific. there are MANY men who have sex for money

I am gay, I have had many male friends who did and do it for money. rentboy.com anybody? educate yourself PLEASE!

"whore' is not "women's issues"

[seabeyond]

15. Yes, it is gender specific.

[beam me up scottie]

25. Not in this context it's not, there are far more male corporate whores.

[seabeyond]

32. Yes. It is.

[beam me up scottie]

33. No it's not, corporate and media whores were crucified on DU for years.

In fact it was how we amused ourselves during the Bush years, the vast majority of them are men.

Pretending that it's suddenly a misogynist term isn't going to work.

[seabeyond]

37. Whore is exclusively a gender specific word even when directed to men.

[beam me up scottie]

38. Corporate whore has a completely different definition which has nothing to do with gender.

[Zen Democrat]

60. +++++

[Kittycat]

69. I want to gift that mug to some

[Jackie Wilson Said]

77. The word whote by itself is what is at issue here, and once again the American public

proves it isn't responsible enough to properly use the language.

Words arent the problem, people are.

[beam me up scottie]

78. Actually it's not since the word by itself wasn't used.

It was used with a qualifier that changes the definition to something non-gender specific.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

82. Neither side cares, each side uses whatever the issue is to promote their candidate.

Very few here actually care that much about women when the whore word is used or gay people when they are attacked or especially black people when they are attacked or used.

Sure, there are some on each side who actually care about these things but they are also usually not the ones to use the issues to advance an agenda.

[beam me up scottie]

86. Oh spare me the drama and the dime store psychology.

Many of us who support Bernie are tired of our gender being used as a wedge issue, what you see here is a backlash that's been coming for a long time.

[polly7]

99. I'd like that mug too. Good post, bmus. nt.

[revbones]

34. No. It is not.

It is a common term, so common in the vernacular that it is in the urban dictionary. But you already know that.

Corporate whore:

One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corporate+whore

Basically it does apply to Hillary and many Democrats as well as most if not all Republicans...

[BreakfastClub]

71. The word whore doesn't apply to anyone. It's simply name-calling. nt

[revbones]

74. Sure. I guess you are starting a campaign against Webster's now too.

[procon]

40. Context is everything.

Song was not speaking about men or even Congress as a whole. He specifically targeted Clinton, naming her twice in the same paragraph. The cheering crowd certainly knew who he was talking about, and the public response clearly understands who he was referring to.



TRANSCRIPT:

Dr. Paul Song: Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. [boos] Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. [cheers] Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores [cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

[phleshdef]

91. EVERYTHING to you is about gender.

[anigbrowl]

72. Educate your own self

Just because a word admits of more than one definition does not mean that it is commonly understood to encompass those definitions. Ignoring the fact that words like whore and slut are vastly more likely to be applied to women than men is as facile as saying that racism is over because we got a black President or that homophobia is no longer an issue because gay marriage is now legal. I'm pretty sure you don't care for people tossing around the term faggot even though a lot of under-30s use it as a non-specific put-down rather than as a descriptor of someone's sexual orientation.

[treestar]

96. Fail

The word is ancient. It referred to women and was used to insult them for centuries.

[choie]

49. You have really jumped the shark

[seabeyond]

55. No, I really have not. Don't call women whores, lesson learned.

[Zen Democrat]

61. You not very smart if you don't see the context.

And if you don't understand that corporate whores are not gender specific, you need the education.

[seabeyond]

66. Ah, because i do not agree with you I am stupid? What does it say about you that you ignore

the context of whore, and why people get a giggle using it, and using it on stage toward Clinton witha crowd cheering?

Ya, I am smart enough to get it. Why don't you? Doesn't work for you?

[choie]

64. You know damn well that Bernie didn't say it

but because you and others are feeling threatened by his candidacy, you continue to lie about him. Clinton is a liar and corrupt. You're unable to address that fact, so you lie about Bernie to obviscate. Simple and very transparent.

[seabeyond]

65. Point out where I said, Bernie said it. You know damn well.... I didn't say, Bernie said it.

Point being, .... Sanders tweeted. Not good enough and his campaign, him included has moved to this place so ya, he is responsible too, and he is responsible reigning his supporters in.

[Biaviians]

106. If you are really losing sleep over this then don't support

a candidate who is bought and sold by corporate America. Truth is not negative. Ignorance of the truth is negative. That's how we got into this mess. Will you help get big money out of politics?

[seabeyond]

107. I am losing sleep over this? Do you guys ever just stick to the fuckin' facts.

[Biaviians]

110. I understand

It was painful for me too when I realised much of Washington is controlled by corporate America.

[seabeyond]

111. Silliness. I was never into these games.

[daleanime]

2. Oh course, is there anything more important then inappropriately expressed anger?

Like maybe what caused the anger?

[restorefreedom]

14. it depends which world you are in

in clintonworld, distraction is key to avoiding reality.

[VulgarPoet]

3. Funny how the same people foaming with poutrage right now about this

seem to be the same ones completely content with complete American military hegemony across the planet-- because we can spill the blood of foreigners and American servicemen and women all day and all night long, but as soon as you call a spade a spade, everyone loses their goddamn minds!

[restorefreedom]

16. its almost as if the reputation of one idolized politician

is more important than the quality of life.

no, wait. strike "almost"

[onehandle]

5. Maybe if you guys stopped using that word?

I know I'm tired of it.

None of this will matter after Hillary defeats Not Hillary next week.

[restorefreedom]

10. how about these words?

jew (said perjoratively)
antisemite
misogynist
sexist
racist
gun nut
commie

when is ANYONE going to address that?

[procon]

39. How about keeping on topic with your own choice of words.

Sanders already has a problem (perceived or otherwise) regarding women's issues. His male followers have contributed to the negative press, adding to the impression. Your pejorative use of the word "whore" (dismissive quote marks notwithstanding) and the equally contemptuous addition of "stuff" to minimize and diminish women based on nothing more than gender, is under critique. Yes, in 2016 this is still an important issue for women and we should not be distracted from matters of equality when some people still find it a necessary strategy to resort, and even defend, this kind of ugly misogynist and sexist language that maligns all women.

More women vote than men. Good luck with that strategy.

[restorefreedom]

41. your post illustrates the problem perfectly.

i used quotes to distinguish the word within the sentence, and stuff is a generic term.but leave it to team victim to blow everything out of proportion. the Hillary people are once again, trying to play the victim card while at the same time reassuring voters that this poor victimized woman can and should be trusted to oversee the free world.

good luck with THAT strategy.

[morningfog]

29. You have been predicted Bernie's imminent demise for 6 months. It's comical at this point.

[onehandle]

30. He lost the day he declared.

The 'Not Hillary' Party is the only survivor to date.

[morningfog]

58. LOL. 7 million voters (and counting) disagree.

[Armstead]

31. Yiou are correct. Corporate Control of government won't matter if Clinton is the nominee

She and you people will avoid the issue and sweep it right under the rug. Back to the normal practices of the Oligarchy. Oh joy.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511730693

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. Yup. As a woman with a uterus just as worthy as that of any Hillary supporter...

Yup.

All I know is that we had better never see the use of "corporate whore," "media whore" or "attention whore" here ever again.

I usually let people say whatever they need to say, but this outrage is ridiculous and born of fear/hatred. Actual issues that actually affect women are getting tossed out the window due to this.

[restorefreedom]

20. exactly. i would love to see the same folks who claim outrage

actually express the same outrage about pay inequity, crappy minimum wage, violence sgainst women, not just here, but in PLACES WHERE WE HAVE INTERVENED.

but not gonna happen. words are easy to criticize. its much harder to enact true progressive policies.

[djean111]

7. ANYTHING to distract from issues - until they can be parroted, of course.

Lies, poo flinging, manufactured outrage, bot infestations.
I honestly do not see their point, here - anyone, IMO, who switched from Bernie to Hillary, at this point, doesn't give a flying fuck about issues, which is, again IMO, not a characteristic of a Bernie supporter here at DU.

You know what? Depending on what happens with the nomination, I will be either all in or all out of the GE campaign. Except for some down-ticket stuff, here in Florida, and no need to bother with the prez campaign if I cannot stomach it. Looking forward to that, honestly. Since I have no control over it. There are issues and politicians I will not shill for under any circumstances.

[restorefreedom]

22. yup. when one has no position to defend,

the conversation has to change to arguments about words.

i am trying not to think too much about the ge until we are there. all i know is i am done holding my nose.

[DanTex]

9. Since when do Bernie fans care about issues?

[onehandle]

17. Be fair. They have shown great concern about the rising cost of unicorn chow. nt

[Zen Democrat]

62. People like you are the reason I'll sit home if Hillary is nominated.

Because of you and the Hillary weepers, whiners and whimps on this board, the sound of her name irritates me. I voted for her husband twice, and I used to care about the Clintons, but things have changed. You people here have convinced me that the type of people who support Hillary are just not my kind of people. That Hillary hired David Brock to smear Sanders is the turd on the cake for me. Just don't like or respect her anymore. She's power mad.

Love, light and Bernie!

[uponit7771]

95. +1, lol...

[beam me up scottie]

11. Yep, the bat squirrel has been deployed.

Mission accomplished.

[restorefreedom]

23. yup. its so obviously brockian, too. nt

[blm]

12. People need to stop blaming EITHER candidate for missteps of others and

judging their candidacies by the words of internet trash-talkers here at DU. The worst actors from both sides are likely GOP operatives finding DU to be a fruitful planting ground for their propaganda campaigns against our candidates and the Dem party.

[restorefreedom]

26. yes. more chaff from the corporate masters

for the little people to fight about while they go on feasting on first class food.

reminds me of a zombie movie....

[rjsquirrel]

18. Why not?

Bernie supporters have done exactly the same with small gaffes and slips by Clinton supporters.

Good for the goose.

[restorefreedom]

24. would you like to share an example

of what you are talking about?

[Nanjeanne]

19. Of course they are. What the Sanders rally last night was -- was Amazing

It had been Clinton, Cruz or Dump.

But it's Bernie so let's talk about what a bad word Whore is. Frankly if I were a whore I'd be insulted that it was used to mean corporate shills. But that's just me.

[restorefreedom]

27. methinks someone is getting nervous about ny....

those internals must be BAD.

[JoePhilly]

21. It would go away ... but Bernie supports are defending the use of the term.

The SMART thing for Bernie supports to do is denounce the term, and the guy who said it.

Look around DU. That's not what they are doing. In thread after thread, they are defending the term. Some even think Bernie should use it.

You might want to take your case into the Bernie group. Maybe they'll listen there.

[restorefreedom]

28. i have seen supporters of both candidates on both sides of the issue

but perhaps we should talk about the underlying issue which precipitated this...,the takeover of corporate media by a mere SIX companies and the near shutdown of non propoganda on the airwaves.

i would much rather discuss THAT.

[Kalidurga]

80. Nah I doubt Bernie supporters even noticed that in the speech

It was Hillary supporters who took the story and ran with it. We just happened to notice the term fits Hillary too well.

[JoePhilly]

81. All over Du today, Bernie supporters are defending the use of that term ...

... both in the abstract, and in its being attached to Hillary.

Bernie supporters appear to not only want to use that term themselves, some of them want Bernie to start using it.

You don't have to check many threads on this topic to notice this simple fact.

[Kalidurga]

84. Yes I got that, wasn't I clear I got that.

I am saying Bernie supporters wouldn't have noticed the use if it wasn't pointed out. And it was pointed out in faux outrage. It's seriously fake when Hillarians support all the things that corporations do via supporting Hillary, that truly fuck the nation. It's not a term I have been using. I will probably repeat it several times now, but I sure wouldn't have without the faux outrage of Hillarians.

When I see some outrage from Hillarians about the horrors of millions of women who are used and abused by corporations for less than a living wage we can then see about me being outraged that some 1%er was called a Democratic Corporate Whore.

[ibegurpard]

88. the only people offended

Are the political whores

[Triana]

35. Yep. Because elections in the US are actually IQ tests

And often, we FAIL. This is one reason it happens.

[restorefreedom]

46. also, if people were not working a million hours

just to get by in this rigged economy we might have fewer low info voters.

but the oligarchy does NOT want an informed public.

[-none]

75. I never thought of that.

But you are correct. Absolutely correct. Elections ARE IQ tests. One either sees the actual issues and can think for themselves, or one waits for the talking points to decide on which side of the issue they are supposed to be on.
Bernie is campaigning on the issues. That is why he is in the race in the first place - The issues that are keeping people down. Pay down. Interest rates down. Job prospects down.
Or ignore the issues and use talking points, which makes it easier to control your unthinking followers, even when the next talking point contradicts the last one... Camp Weather Vane is an apt label.
A reasonably high IQ, using logic and critical thinking on the issues requires thinking for oneself. Blindly following someone's talking points short circuits doing that. Talking points are a conservative trait and should not have much following in Liberal or Progressive thinking.

[B Calm]

36. The last thing Hillary supporters want to do is discuss Hillary stances on important

issues like marijuana legalization, fracking, etc etc etc.

[restorefreedom]

44. thats the thing. when one has no positions to stand on,

deflect, destract, and denigrate is the only strategic option.

how sad for our country.

[Zen Democrat]

63. Glass-Steagall, private prisons, welfare reform, etc etc etc

[jillan]

42. Only if you let it.

[restorefreedom]

43. good point. but they will try and force this issue

how truly brockian of them.

[jillan]

45. And caring about it is only feeding their poutrage.

[restorefreedom]

47. perhaps. nt

[NorthCarolina]

48. Notice...Hillary camp is just a long series of Faux Outrages because

THEY CANNOT TALK ABOUT ISSUES. This is how they attempt to control the discussion. Don't give them the time of day. Stick to discussing real issues, and don't waste any of your time responding to baseless accusations of Hillarians.

[pdsimdars]

50. bottom line -- if it walks like a duck . . . .

[notadmblnd]

51. Hey, I'll keep the screeching crows busy sparing over road kill

while you and the rest of the adults work on the important stuff.

Sound like a plan?

[Lizzie Poppet]

52. Princess Weathervane's campaign is all about distractions.

Hillary appeals to low-information voters...it's as simple as that. The more you discover about her and her record, the less appealing she is (unless you're an oligarch).

[My Good Babushka]

53. Yes, the question is-

Is Hillary a quid pro quo politician who will favor corporate friendly legislation for campaign contributions, because it sure looks like it. It's too bad the speaker wasn't elegant and refined enough for the delicate sensibilities of some.

[LuvLoogie]

54. Yes, it's distracting, isn't it?

[lumberjack_jeff]

56. By "are going to let", I think you meant "desperately need".

The thing that is most prominent about Clinton campaign issues d'jour is the absolute contempt inherent in their appraisal of the intelligence of the people likely to be swayed by it.

Not issues, just flung monkey-shit.

[bjo59]

57. Of course it won't distract anyone.

Certainly not the die hard Clinton fans and certainly not the huge numbers of people who support Bernie Sanders. I listened to the speech that Paul Song gave and anyone who did knows he gave a great speech. Anyone who heard the context in which he used the term "Democratic corporate whore" also knows that the corporate media is spinning this as they spin everything else. It's a tempest in a tea pot.

[desmiller]

59. I'm far from distracted by this.

Trial Lawyer Hall of Famer, Mike Papantonio, has been calling corporate shills and other shilling types "whores" as long as I can remember.

Here's an example:

skip to 12:30 and watch it to the end

[auntpurl]

67. Yes, why not start another thread about it?

Oh. I see you have.

[NorthCarolina]

68. It's working as intended, but only here on DU. nt

[Kalidurga]

83. They tried to make it work on twitter but just like every other meme

Camp Weather-vane starts that got hijacked too. #DemocraticWhores taken over by Bernie people. Of course people will think Bernie supporters started it, but that isn't how it started at all.

[NorthCarolina]

90. Personally,

I'm having a ball on Twitter this primary season. People are far more politically saavy and completely aware of the fabricated memes and intentional misquotes from the Hillary campaign than you would even garner from reading posts here on DU.

[Kalidurga]

100. Yeah

I have had my account since 2010 and barely used it til now. I try to stop by daily to read what people I follow post.

[NorthCarolina]

109. Same here pretty much.

Long time with an account and yet probably 80% of my posts have been since Bernie announced. I usually have a tab here on DU open, but mostly peruse Twitter. Don't have a FB account but I hear the pro-Bernie activity there is quite good as well.

[QC]

73. The very *purpose* of the whore stuff is to distract us from issues.

Honestly, has any campaign ever been as determined to avoid all discussion of issues as this one?

It's something right out of the Reagan years, with all that "morning in America" sentimentality and absolutely nothing about real people and their lives.

[PeaceNikki]

76. Yes, we MUST focus on the deBlasio skit, dammit!

[Ichingcarpenter]

79. And the dangling coversation

And we note our place with bookmarkers
That measure what we've lost.
Like a poem poorly written
We are verses out of rhythm,
Couplets out of rhyme,
In syncopated time
And the dangled conversation
And the superficial sighs,
Are the borders of our lives.

[azurnoir]

85. the magic weathervain seems to think so

[ibegurpard]

87. the poutraging fanbois will try

Don't let them.

[anotherproletariat]

89. Yes! Because I already got two converts in my dorm from the use of this word...and working

on more. For women, this has been the most eye-opening statement from Sanders's side so far. Besides, going to college in NYC, many of us were at the rally, and heard how the crowd was turned on by that comment. There was certainly no qualms about going very dirty from the people near us last night.

[uponit7771]

93. Bernie!?!?!? Is this you!?! You're usually trying to minimize bias issues as "distractions" but I...

... didn't think you'd do such on DU.

Hey, when you gonna quit and join the part?!?!

thx man for running

[treestar]

94. Well I don't think Bernie

Should get passes that Hillary doesn't. There are even more silly things held against her.

[restorefreedom]

98. such as.... nt

[randome]

97. Sing it with me!

All the girls are monsters.
All the boys are whores.
So when you lose the one you love,
There's always plenty more.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[ViseGrip]

101. Not me, the biggest story is the offshoring, American companies, and the Clintons!

[longship]

102. Nope. I maintain that Hillary Clinton has sold her soul to the devil.

Forget the corporate whore claim. It's worse than that.

[restorefreedom]

105. yes. much worse. nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

103. Nope, it's a non-issue and review mirror.

I'm trashing every thread using it as a criticism, so they're out of my way. Poof! all gone.

[pdsimdars]

104. Well, we certainly are if people, like you for instance, keep posting about it. DUH!

Are you secretly a Hillary supporter with a Bernie logo just to confuse?
If you think this distracts, why are YOU posting about it?

[reddread]

108. maybe it is the issue

touched a nerve, but this isnt a good look.

[Adrahil]

113. I think it IS an issue.

I think this kind of attack is an issue, IMO.

So is Bernie's dismissal of black voters in the south.